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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
Edit: this thing is the kind of thing that will be passed on to the next syrian generations. you will be known as the ones that killed their chances, their children chances at a new start. you will be mentioned in their history books. ps: they can't even go back to Syria+ Show Spoiler + (worst scenario: you take of a syrian 2kE worth of gold then give him 500E to go back to Syria; that's extortion 101) | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Or just look at it as the execution of a contract. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:42 cLutZ wrote: I'm really confused how its not just taxes. By the time such possessions are confiscated the refugee has already used up about 5k in state resources. That is over a 100% return for the refugee. Not that taxes are great, but they are exactly the same, its just a property tax instead of an income tax. Or just look at it as the execution of a contract. That's the whole irony. It probably costs more to confiscate those possessions than it is ever going to gain them. Then again, I'm sure these measures are just intended as a method to try to dissuade more refugees/migrants to come to the country imposing this kind of taxation. I don't really see the point in taking away what little possessions these people still have left. It is rather morally reprehensive. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6305 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9958 Posts
On March 05 2016 05:38 RvB wrote: Symbolism is pretty important in politics as well. Doesn't always matter whether something actually works or not. Symbolism is the bedrock of modern conservative politics IMO. There's always a simple 'good vs evil' narrative. No politician worth his salt would actually believe any of the stuff we are told, but the symbolism is the glue that binds people together. There's an interesting documentary by a socialist at the BBC, Adam Curtis, that deals with this. I think its called 'The Power of Nightmares'. Its about how neocons used the work of conservative academics to create a mythology deliberately designed to create a cohesive society based on the myth of good vs evil. Its not an exclusively conservative phenomenon of course, but the neocons perfected it. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
March 3rd, 2016 On March 1, the immigration services established new fees for the application of permanent residency permits and for family reunification cases. From now on, there is a fee associated with applications for family reunification or applications for the extension of family reunification permits. The same goes for applications involving the residence permit and the extension of permits for family members of religious workers. Fees by case category, as of March 1, 2016: Family reunification – 6,000 kroner Religious workers, including family members – 1,600 kroner Extension of family reunification – 2,000 kroner Extension as a religious workers, including family members – 1,600 kroner Permanent residence on basis of family reunification – 3,700 kroner Permanent residence on basis of asylum – 3,700 kroner Permanent residence on basis of being a religious worker– 3,700 kroner Permanent residence on basis of employment or studies – 5,690 kroner Case complaints – 815 kroner Resuming cases – 815 kroner Administration fee for a case rejection – 815 kroner | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
Looks like the feminist country is not that great. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 05 2016 08:08 TMG26 wrote: http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2572/the-swedes-are-fleeing-the-country.html Looks like the feminist country is not that great. Random article is random? Read the article. Shit article is shit article too. No comparison on previous years, percentage or absolute. Typical tabloid crap. For instance UK has about 400 000 emmigrating every year. There's more former British living outside UK than inside many times over. What does that tell you? Absolutely nothing. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 05 2016 08:07 Ghostcom wrote: You are conflating immigrants and refugees. Troll. I think that it was the immigrants/refugees and the media that did that. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On March 05 2016 07:27 Jockmcplop wrote: Symbolism is the bedrock of modern conservative politics IMO. There's always a simple 'good vs evil' narrative. No politician worth his salt would actually believe any of the stuff we are told, but the symbolism is the glue that binds people together. There's an interesting documentary by a socialist at the BBC, Adam Curtis, that deals with this. I think its called 'The Power of Nightmares'. Its about how neocons used the work of conservative academics to create a mythology deliberately designed to create a cohesive society based on the myth of good vs evil. Its not an exclusively conservative phenomenon of course, but the neocons perfected it. Symbolism is equally important in progressive circles. I'd say symbolism is the bedrock of representative democracy. Which is troublesome because politicians will tend to use symbolic arguments rather than arguments based on facts and research in political debates. Symbolism has the convenience that politicians can summarise it in oneliners, which are easy to swallow for their voters (the majority of a western electorate still consists of poorly educated people, unfortunately) even though research or in many cases common sense actually contradicts them. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2847 Posts
On March 05 2016 08:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Random article is random? Read the article. Shit article is shit article too. No comparison on previous years, percentage or absolute. Typical tabloid crap. For instance UK has about 400 000 emmigrating every year. There's more former British living outside UK than inside many times over. What does that tell you? Absolutely nothing. Its true though. I'm thinking about moving to Australia. Sure it's only 50.000 a year but the trend is clear. There are two groups of Swedes leaving. Young ethnic Swedes moving abroad because they can't get a job in Sweden (to Norway, Denmark, UK) and well educated Swedes leaving permanently. Both parts are worrisome for a country facing massive net immigration. But the fact is you pay a shitload of taxes for a crumbling welfare system while your wage is very low for well trained professionals. It was fine when you thought the welfare system worked and you felt safe but now I'm thinking about having kids when there are criminals getting shot every week and our school system is plummeting in PISA ratings. So if I have to buy an insurance to guarantee my family get proper medical aid in a timely manner, and I'd have to put any eventual kids in a private school and I still have to pay massive taxes while earning 1/3 of what I could... I hope they fix it though, I like Sweden, except the winter of course. :/ | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10159 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22492 Posts
On March 05 2016 21:18 Godwrath wrote: From reading the numbers, i see 90k moving to Spain. To me it sounds more like retired swedish moving to warmer places more than looking for a job, but it would be just pure speculation on my part since the article definitly doesn't poll why these people are leaving, rather than just using a clickbait worthy headline. Spain isn't the sort of country I would imagine going to when I look for work. 2nd highest unemployment in the EU with over 20% (n1 is Greece) Totally where you go for a job. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9330 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18400 Posts
On March 05 2016 21:42 Sent. wrote: 90k to Spain, 20k to Thailand... this has to be wrong Not necessarily wrong. It just completely contradicts the point the article is trying to make. Retired northern Europeans moving to the Mediterranean and other warm countries to enjoy some sunlight in the winter is nothing new. The main dishonesty is in counting them as emigrants. Most return in the spring/summer (at least, in Holland it works like that). | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9330 Posts
On March 05 2016 22:09 Acrofales wrote: Not necessarily wrong. It just completely contradicts the point the article is trying to make. Retired northern Europeans moving to the Mediterranean and other warm countries to enjoy some sunlight in the winter is nothing new. The main dishonesty is in counting them as emigrants. Most return in the spring/summer (at least, in Holland it works like that). Yeah thats what I meant, its wrong to assume that 20k Swedes decided to move out of their country and spend the rest of their lives in Thailand. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18400 Posts
On March 05 2016 22:49 Sent. wrote: Yeah thats what I meant, its wrong to assume that 20k Swedes decided to move out of their country and spend the rest of their lives in Thailand. Another thing I noticed upon a reread is that it counts everybody who spent over half the year abroad as having emigrated. That includes every single person who goes abroad for a gap year or student exchange program (including Erasmus). Now, it draws comparisons to previous years, and I don't know how measurement was done in previous years. If this type of thing has always been counted, then further investigation should point out whether the increase in gross emigration is due to more Swedes actually emigrating (meaning: taking a job abroad with no clear plans to return), or whether it is an increase in people fleeing the cold (due to babyboomers retiring) or increase in gap years and exchanges (which is a worldwide trend, btw, and a good thing). EDT: in any case, the hyperbolic title, is (as always with hyperbolic titles) absolute shit. | ||
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