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Also at least for Norway, our progress party is honestly a lot less insane than say, current iteration of republicans or AfD or FN. Like, their leader said about the 2016 election in the US that she would've held her nose and voted for Hillary Clinton, which basically makes her a democrat.
I joke a bit - they're definitely to the right of the democrats - but they're a party existing in the same universe I do. They have their fringe elements (those people can't really go anywhere else, as the truly insane right wing parties get less than 1% of the total vote). And there's the occasional ugly statement from some politicians that are part of the party. But there's certainly nothing nazi about them.
now - part of the way the other parties dealt with their earlier rise, was acknowledge that they had some points regarding immigration. Essentially, the other big parties all toughened up their stance on immigration - without adopting the harsh rhetoric - and consequently, it's not an issue that dominates our political landscape. That said, the progress party currently looks poised to have their best election ever in 2025, polling around 25%, but again, honestly, they're not comparable to other far right parties we see in other countries. I'm obviously not a fan, but I'm not like, terrified of the prospect of potentially seeing them part of a coalition government 8 months from now.
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On February 28 2025 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Also at least for Norway, our progress party is honestly a lot less insane than say, current iteration of republicans or AfD or FN. Like, their leader said about the 2016 election in the US that she would've held her nose and voted for Hillary Clinton, which basically makes her a democrat.
I joke a bit - they're definitely to the right of the democrats - but they're a party existing in the same universe I do. They have their fringe elements (those people can't really go anywhere else, as the truly insane right wing parties get less than 1% of the total vote). And there's the occasional ugly statement from some politicians that are part of the party. But there's certainly nothing nazi about them.
now - part of the way the other parties dealt with their earlier rise, was acknowledge that they had some points regarding immigration. Essentially, the other big parties all toughened up their stance on immigration - without adopting the harsh rhetoric - and consequently, it's not an issue that dominates our political landscape. That said, the progress party currently looks poised to have their best election ever in 2025, polling around 25%, but again, honestly, they're not comparable to other far right parties we see in other countries. I'm obviously not a fan, but I'm not like, terrified of the prospect of potentially seeing them part of a coalition government 8 months from now.
Similar to the swiss far right, I'm not a fan obviously (lol you had the same phrasing and I hadn't read it yet, I'll leave it here) but there's no comparison to Le Pen or Trump.
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On February 28 2025 05:06 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2025 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Also at least for Norway, our progress party is honestly a lot less insane than say, current iteration of republicans or AfD or FN. Like, their leader said about the 2016 election in the US that she would've held her nose and voted for Hillary Clinton, which basically makes her a democrat.
I joke a bit - they're definitely to the right of the democrats - but they're a party existing in the same universe I do. They have their fringe elements (those people can't really go anywhere else, as the truly insane right wing parties get less than 1% of the total vote). And there's the occasional ugly statement from some politicians that are part of the party. But there's certainly nothing nazi about them.
now - part of the way the other parties dealt with their earlier rise, was acknowledge that they had some points regarding immigration. Essentially, the other big parties all toughened up their stance on immigration - without adopting the harsh rhetoric - and consequently, it's not an issue that dominates our political landscape. That said, the progress party currently looks poised to have their best election ever in 2025, polling around 25%, but again, honestly, they're not comparable to other far right parties we see in other countries. I'm obviously not a fan, but I'm not like, terrified of the prospect of potentially seeing them part of a coalition government 8 months from now. Similar to the swiss far right, I'm not a fan obviously (lol you had the same phrasing and I hadn't read it yet, I'll leave it here) but there's no comparison to Le Pen or Trump.
How about Reagan or Bush?
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On February 28 2025 05:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2025 05:06 Nebuchad wrote:On February 28 2025 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Also at least for Norway, our progress party is honestly a lot less insane than say, current iteration of republicans or AfD or FN. Like, their leader said about the 2016 election in the US that she would've held her nose and voted for Hillary Clinton, which basically makes her a democrat.
I joke a bit - they're definitely to the right of the democrats - but they're a party existing in the same universe I do. They have their fringe elements (those people can't really go anywhere else, as the truly insane right wing parties get less than 1% of the total vote). And there's the occasional ugly statement from some politicians that are part of the party. But there's certainly nothing nazi about them.
now - part of the way the other parties dealt with their earlier rise, was acknowledge that they had some points regarding immigration. Essentially, the other big parties all toughened up their stance on immigration - without adopting the harsh rhetoric - and consequently, it's not an issue that dominates our political landscape. That said, the progress party currently looks poised to have their best election ever in 2025, polling around 25%, but again, honestly, they're not comparable to other far right parties we see in other countries. I'm obviously not a fan, but I'm not like, terrified of the prospect of potentially seeing them part of a coalition government 8 months from now. Similar to the swiss far right, I'm not a fan obviously (lol you had the same phrasing and I hadn't read it yet, I'll leave it here) but there's no comparison to Le Pen or Trump. How about Reagan or Bush?
Eh, probably closer, don't know. They're never running on breaking the swiss system and they've been part of the government a lot so it's hard to give them Reagan.
The main characteristic I have in my head for Bush is 'being dumb', so, well yeah, they're dumb
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On February 28 2025 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Also at least for Norway, our progress party is honestly a lot less insane than say, current iteration of republicans or AfD or FN. Like, their leader said about the 2016 election in the US that she would've held her nose and voted for Hillary Clinton, which basically makes her a democrat.
I joke a bit - they're definitely to the right of the democrats - but they're a party existing in the same universe I do. They have their fringe elements (those people can't really go anywhere else, as the truly insane right wing parties get less than 1% of the total vote). And there's the occasional ugly statement from some politicians that are part of the party. But there's certainly nothing nazi about them.
now - part of the way the other parties dealt with their earlier rise, was acknowledge that they had some points regarding immigration. Essentially, the other big parties all toughened up their stance on immigration - without adopting the harsh rhetoric - and consequently, it's not an issue that dominates our political landscape. That said, the progress party currently looks poised to have their best election ever in 2025, polling around 25%, but again, honestly, they're not comparable to other far right parties we see in other countries. I'm obviously not a fan, but I'm not like, terrified of the prospect of potentially seeing them part of a coalition government 8 months from now.
It's almost as if taking the issue seriously and giving the voters what they want takes the oxygen out of the debate and quenches the issue.
And probably they are completely comparable to their danish, finnish and swedish counterparts.
And in Sweden SD were commonly called nazis up until the last election when they were suddenly a normal party.
If your "far right" party is polling ~20-25 based on anti-immigration policies then >>>50 % of the entire voter base want anti-immigration.
It doesn't mean that >50% will vote for said party (they are polling 20-25 after all) but it does mean it's a major issue. But it's also important to a varying level of degree for those voters.
When the other parties absorb the issue voters will be satisfied to various degrees. This means they are more likely to consider other issues more important and are thus more likely to vote for a party that is "OK" for immigration but aligns more on those issues.
The "far right" party can go even further right but that will make them to extreme for a lot of voters who will jump ship, causing them to shrink. Or they can stay where they are on immigration (with a narrow gap to other parties) and expand their politics into other issues. Thus becoming a more regular party.
The ancient chinese considered most other people to be barbarians. But they divided them up into two different kinds. The steppe nomads that had just recently moved close to china were usually very different and violent. Those were considered "uncooked" and usually interactions amounted to war.
However the nomads that had lived close to the Chinese borders for a few generations had time to trade, absorb some culture and a taste for luxury goods. Those barbarians were "cooked" and you could trade with them and make reasonable deals.
Your "far right party" has obviously been properly "cooked".
As for Sweden I'm fairly sure SD is on the stove at the moment and if other parties (social democrats mainly) just turn up the heat a little more with their migration policies I think the meal will be ready for next election.
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