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On April 22 2022 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2022 02:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: That said, usually in Scandinavia, Denmark is a bit more permissive regarding 'what goes' than Norway is, and Sweden tends to be a bit stricter. And we will learn from your mistakes, that being said we are there in 5 years good or bad. I wonder what would happen if Paludan tried this in Itis or something...
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This is good news... I think. Any update on France?
LJUBLJANA, Slovenia (AP) — Exit polls in Slovenia’s parliamentary vote Sunday suggested a strong lead for the opposition liberals over the ruling right-wing populists of Prime Minister Janez Jansa.
The polls conducted by the Mediana polling agency and published by public broadcaster TV Slovenia and commercial Pop TV showed the opposition Freedom Movement winning 35.8% support compared with the ruling conservative Slovenian Democratic Party with 22.5%.
Trailing behind the top two contenders were New Slovenia party with 6.8%, followed by Social Democrats with 6.6% and the Left party with 4.4%.
If confirmed in an official tally, the result means that the Freedom Movement, a newcomer in the election, stands a better chance of forming the next government in a coalition with smaller center-left groups — a blow to Jansa, a populist who was accused of pushing the country to the right while in power.
The vote provoked higher than usual turnout, reflecting strong voter interest in the race in the politically divided European Union nation.
Nearly 50% of Slovenia’s 1.7 million voters had cast ballots by mid-afternoon, according to state election authorities — up some 15% compared with the previous election in 2018.
Surveys before the vote predicted that no single party will be able to form a government on its own and that a coalition government will have to be formed after the vote, made up of at least three or four parties.
It still remained unclear which smaller groups will pass the 4% threshold and what the final distribution of parliamentary seats will look like. Election authorities also must add the early votes to the tally.
“Today is an important day as these elections decide how Slovenia will develop not only in the next four years, but in the next decade,” Jansa said as he voted on Sunday. “Expectations are good.”
Jansa became prime minister a little over two years ago after the previous liberal premier resigned. An admirer of former U.S. President Donald Trump, Jansa has pushed the country to the right since taking over at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.
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On the Belgian news they had exit polls of 55-58% Macron. Lowest turnout since 1966 or something, with blanco/invalid votes still to be counted.
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Macron is re-elected with 58.2% of the vote. He slightly overperformed his opinion polling results it seems. My expectations to be worried about a Le Pen upset were not met. His party may need to be concerned about the incoming legislative elections though I've heard.
Slovenia also has likely elected a left-centrist party and coalition over the ruling nationalist right party in a high turnout parliamentary election.
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Yea the AP just called it.
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That's good. I'm not sure how this can be called a tight race. 58% win is still a very comfortable victory.
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On April 25 2022 03:12 RvB wrote: That's good. I'm not sure how this can be called a tight race. 58% win is still a very comfortable victory.
Yes, but that is still a scary amount of votes for a rightwing crazyperson. Not quite Trump-levels of bad, but definitively a reason for concern.
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Disappointing but not at all surprising. The votes just weren’t there.
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On April 25 2022 04:32 LegalLord wrote: Disappointing but not at all surprising. The votes just weren’t there. It’s funny sometimes I forget what your ideas really are.
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Slovenia had an election today and the current populist right-wing government lost by a large margin to a new center-left party, almost certainly paving the way for a much better future for Slovenia
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On April 25 2022 04:32 LegalLord wrote: Disappointing but not at all surprising. The votes just weren’t there.
No reason to be disappointed, she wouldn't have done any of the things you want
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On April 25 2022 07:21 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2022 04:32 LegalLord wrote: Disappointing but not at all surprising. The votes just weren’t there. No reason to be disappointed, she wouldn't have done any of the things you want You're certainly right policy-wise; I trust neither her competence nor intentions on that front. Would have been a nice thorn in the backside of the EU though, a solid minor moral victory were it to come to pass.
That said, 8.5 7.5 p.p. improvement from last election is pretty solid. I did expect Le Pen to perform slightly worse than polled, but she managed to stay comfortably in the 40's in the final result. That's good news.
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Sincerely surprised Macron got reelected. It looked like the unrest levels in the country went ham since he was in office. Gilet jaunes and all that.
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Now that Macron blew up Le Pen yet again, can we just skip the hype next time? It seems the only way Macron loses is if he is eliminated early. How long could Macron keep getting re-elected? Would his party keep dominance even after him?
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On April 25 2022 09:47 Mohdoo wrote: Now that Macron blew up Le Pen yet again, can we just skip the hype next time? It seems the only way Macron loses is if he is eliminated early. How long could Macron keep getting re-elected? Would his party keep dominance even after him?
Based on how neoliberal elections work it's likely that Marion Maréchal wins next time around. But the left is still stronger than I expected so it's possible that things pan out differently. One possible outcome is left vs far right in the first round, far right wins second round and this is used to pressure normies into not voting left.
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On April 25 2022 09:47 Mohdoo wrote: Now that Macron blew up Le Pen yet again, can we just skip the hype next time? It seems the only way Macron loses is if he is eliminated early. How long could Macron keep getting re-elected? Would his party keep dominance even after him?
Extreme left and extreme right continue to steadily win votes, I doubt 5 more years of Macron will change this trend, quite the opposite. I wonder how many votes Le Pen lost due to the Putin/Russia issue. So to your second question my answer would be not that long, I don't see a 3rd victory for him. I'm by no means an expert on economy but dealing with the aftermath of Brexit, corona and this Russia/Ukraine conflict doesn't seem like a good time for economic growth. There will be more riots, more gilets jaunes, more ammo for Le Pen, more malcontent youths to vote Melenchon, etc.
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On April 25 2022 03:17 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2022 03:12 RvB wrote: That's good. I'm not sure how this can be called a tight race. 58% win is still a very comfortable victory. Yes, but that is still a scary amount of votes for a rightwing crazyperson. Not quite Trump-levels of bad, but definitively a reason for concern. It's how the world is at the moment. The extremes are getting more votes and the extreme right is quite large almost everywhere. Considering Macron's economic liberalism which isn't very popular (especially in France) and all the crises we've had I dont think he could've done much better.
There won't be a third victory for Macron because he's constitutionally limited to two consecutive terms. Maybe he can try coming back afterwards but I doubt he will.
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On April 25 2022 07:49 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2022 07:21 Nebuchad wrote:On April 25 2022 04:32 LegalLord wrote: Disappointing but not at all surprising. The votes just weren’t there. No reason to be disappointed, she wouldn't have done any of the things you want You're certainly right policy-wise; I trust neither her competence nor intentions on that front. Would have been a nice thorn in the backside of the EU though, a solid minor moral victory were it to come to pass. That said, 8.5 7.5 p.p. improvement from last election is pretty solid. I did expect Le Pen to perform slightly worse than polled, but she managed to stay comfortably in the 40's in the final result. That's good news. What do you specifically hope that she would accomplish in the EU? Or would it be more of a symbolic victory?
I think the RN takes it next time. The radical left and the right are so similar that many will switch over all the way when people perceive her as a normal candidate (the "de-demonisation" campaign as they say in France), instead of voting technocratic/liberal.
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I always fail to see why people consider the horseshoe theory relevant. The convergence is superficial at best and crumbles under scrutiny. While means can be similar, intent and goal are worlds apart and ignoring that is a key mistake I feel is made too easily for the sake of abbreviating conversation.
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On April 25 2022 18:50 Artisreal wrote: I always fail to see why people consider the horseshoe theory relevant. The convergence is superficial at best and crumbles under scrutiny. While means can be similar, intent and goal are worlds apart and ignoring that is a key mistake I feel is made too easily for the sake of abbreviating conversation. It’s a useful trope for enlightened centrists to justify their ostensible centrism.
Bar that there’s such wide, wide divergence that it just doesn’t work as a model/tool. I mean outside of maybe actual Stalinism vs the OG Nazis
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