EPTWith this assault, I don't see how anyone can say that the IDF holds the moral high ground anymore. And yet you have people like the Israeli ambassador to the US saying that Israeli forces deserve the Nobel Peace Prize for showing "unimaginable restraint".
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Warlock40
601 Posts
With this assault, I don't see how anyone can say that the IDF holds the moral high ground anymore. And yet you have people like the Israeli ambassador to the US saying that Israeli forces deserve the Nobel Peace Prize for showing "unimaginable restraint". | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 23 2014 14:39 Nyxisto wrote: He was referring to the Arab - Israeli war around the 1950s. No he was right. The First Arab Israel war was in 1948. But the other is also right, Israel was clearly the aggressor in 56 and 67. But then was the defender in 73, 2006 and 2009. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
On July 23 2014 14:49 Sub40APM wrote: No he was right. The First Arab Israel war was in 1948. But the other is also right, Israel was clearly the aggressor in 56 and 67. But then was the defender in 73, 2006 and 2009. Israel was an aggressor in 57 I'll give you that. In 67 however my (admittedly limited understanding) is that Israel believed an attack was imminent and were fearful of the Egyptian military's build up on the Sinai. Especially with the Soviets influence that was similar to what France and Britain did in 1956 inflaming the situation. I think it is understandable that a countries leadership would be paranoid about an attack considering the rhetoric of the nations surrounding it. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:26 oneofthem wrote: it's a bit incredible that the gulf states are not taking more heat throughout all this for funding and abetting hamas. the rockets are obviously not entirely manufactured in gaza itself. If they got away with arming terrorists who have fought Americans in Iraq/Afghanistan AND Russians in Chechnya then who is going to call them out on their bullshit? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 23 2014 14:43 Warlock40 wrote: This assault is terrible. I don't care how much restraint Israeli forces are showing, clearly it's not enough when the death toll of innocents, particularly that of children, far exceeds that of armed combatants, both Israeli and Palestinian, and especially when virtually all of the innocent victims were killed by Israeli forces. Maybe actions by Palestinian militants have recklessly endangered innocent lives, and that's terrible as well, but just because there's a bad guy holding a gun to a kid's head doesn't mean it's OK to shoot both of them, to make a Hollywood metaphor. With this assault, I don't see how anyone can say that the IDF holds the moral high ground anymore. And yet you have people like the Israeli ambassador to the US saying that Israeli forces deserve the Nobel Peace Prize for showing "unimaginable restraint". Do you want to actually understand? in which case there are several here who can explain it to you. or did you simply wish to express outrage, based on a limited understanding of the situation? | ||
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DrCooper
Germany261 Posts
Joseph Goebbels 1941: "The Jews gradually are having to depend more and more on themselves, and have recently found a new trick. They knew the good-natured German Michael in us, always ready to shed sentimental tears for the injustice done to them. One suddenly has the impression that the Berlin Jewish population consists only of little babies whose childish helplessness might move us, or else fragile old ladies. The Jews send out the pitiable." Terrible what's happening right now. The world is on fire. It'll be interesting to see what all this will lead to. | ||
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Schmobutzen
Germany284 Posts
I pity the cruelty of both sides. Hamas is just plain misguided and blind, they use their people for power and an idea and religion. The Palestinians should get ride of them as soon as possible. But the same as with Israel. Hamas suits the war far more better than peace. But again: Israel has it in its hands! And what do they do? They bomb. As like 40 years of bombing did change anything. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Question, how is hamas using civilian as meat shield? Like having them reside floor above military facilities? Wouldn't ground infantry cause a little less civ casualty via gun fight or is that too much risk to take? | ||
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Grettin
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On July 23 2014 17:09 Schmobutzen wrote: Please zlefin, enlighten him and me. I would like to know as well, because from my point of view, Israel is without a doubt the stronger, in every way imaginable. Therefore it has it in its hands to make the inviting and wide arms of peace. Even the USA said, that Netanyahu doesn't strife for peace. Hell, it seems to me it would only hinder him. Then why should he? But of course, if you only strife for power and watch over the legacy of the past than that looks like the only good way. I pity the cruelty of both sides. Hamas is just plain misguided and blind, they use their people for power and an idea and religion. The Palestinians should get ride of them as soon as possible. But the same as with Israel. Hamas suits the war far more better than peace. But again: Israel has it in its hands! And what do they do? They bomb. As like 40 years of bombing did change anything. the situation is far more complex , but if you will , i think its all boil down to money. before i dive in on that i would like to state that NO country in the world will let other country/ppl/area attack its area with rockets for 20 days and only have the other side suffer 620 kills. if you can imagine Paris/London/NewYork being bombed by missiles , and the govern state sit by and doing nothing you are delusional..... (remember the US went to war on other countries when they got attacked by a terror group) about the money .... before the first intifada`s Gaza ppl willl work at israel and gain some sort of economy going on , since the conflict began no such relationship exists , Gaza ppl who gets tons of money from human rights/countries and what not are being robbed blind by their leaders (Araft wife was found with 300 Millions USD in Paris after hes death) , Fatah was a crooked group , thats why Gaza chose Hamas , they felt they wont screw them over , but alas they did , now Hamas is taking all the help money and mind you isreal provide electricity/Cement/Flower (even now during the attack!!! which is crazy) and do with it as he pleases , mostly trying to get more soldiers and builiding 100M USD tunnels network , there was a time Israel tried to build factories in the outskirts of the gaza strip to manufacture food and create jobs (funded by private ppl) , but Hamas destroyed those claiming it was israel trying to undermind them . Hamas wants gaza ppl to suffer so he can continue to do what he does best -> GET MONEY FROM EVERYONE HE CAN. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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Schmobutzen
Germany284 Posts
First: lift the siege, then there wouldn't be the need of much outside help in the first place. Second, help Palestina in every way. I am not religious, but try the way of getting slapt on the other cheek. Show them that you are good neighbors first, because you got all the power to do that. The other side isn't in that position at all!!! Yes, you will have to accept much hardship for such an undertaking - but the price of it will be a good one. Israel has it in its hands! | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On July 23 2014 16:32 haduken wrote: Israel leaders need to be tried for war crimes. A lot of people in that conflict need to be and I agree, the Israeli leaders are definitely part of that group. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On July 23 2014 17:53 Schmobutzen wrote: @bluzi: I know that it is far more complex than we could possible try to understand. Of course that is also a money game. A terrible bloody one at that. First: lift the siege, then there wouldn't be the need of much outside help in the first place. Second, help Palestina in every way. I am not religious, but try the way of getting slapt on the other cheek. Show them that you are good neighbors first, because you got all the power to do that. The other side isn't in that position at all!!! Yes, you will have to accept much hardship for such an undertaking - but the price of it will be a good one. Israel has it in its hands! Tough to achieve that level of Utopian when one side keeps refusing to agree to the cease fire. | ||
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