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Hyrule19029 Posts
GTA...and Fallout and plenty of other games (and even more if you count mods) play copyrighted music. Doesn't help that copyrights last until they are about to expire and then Congress extends them for another 30 years.
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United States7481 Posts
On August 07 2014 10:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:26 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 10:23 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 10:20 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:
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Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... Youtube is not a music service. And before you say that twitch isn't, either, remember that the audio recognition software recognizes and blocks ambient/in-game sound/music as well. There's already reports of blocks coming from in-game sounds from Dota2, GTA and Hearthstone. Removing any and all music from live streaming (don't start with the silly idea of using "free" music, that is never going to work) will be a huge blow to twitch. It's not just player streams. Imagine Dreamhack without any music whatsoever. Imagine 30 minute breaks, completely silent. Fun, isn't it? Installing youtube's contentID system that basically removes everything it can find will cripple twitch enough that some serious competition can finally rise. I doubt that the guys at twitch are that stupid, but you never know, now that Google holds the reins. From my understanding, its not something they can fix till they turn it on and see how it fucks up and tags stuff its not supposed to. Then they can fix those problems. But they need to know where the problem is to fix first. And Dream hack will have music, they just might not have it in the VOD. Which is fine, since the music is during the down time anyways. There are ways around it production wise. First of all, no, Dreamhack has music all the time. In-game music, for starters. Music when a player wins. Music in the previews. Of course it's just background music, but the content system doesn't care about that. And my point is under the assumption that this will be turned on for live streaming. Which it will, if the technology is there and Google buys twitch. Not to mention the awesome potential of "This stream is not available in your country". It will be fine, they will have music and find a way to put up VODs. Maybe they just record it and upload the VODs to youtube. People will work around it.
"People will never switch from Livestream, it has great functionality and way too much momentum" - people like you, Spring 2010
"Why would anybody switch from ustream? It doesn't have 1000-person chat limits like livestream did, plus everybody already streams there so you'd lose collateral viewers switching" - people like you, Fall 2010
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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On August 07 2014 10:08 synapse wrote:
seems like contentID isn't flagging my vods with kpop (only western music).... guess only playing kpop now
What were you doing NOT playing Kpop 24/7 in the first place? Pfft amateur 
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On August 07 2014 10:37 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:29 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 10:26 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 10:23 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 10:20 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:
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That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... Youtube is not a music service. And before you say that twitch isn't, either, remember that the audio recognition software recognizes and blocks ambient/in-game sound/music as well. There's already reports of blocks coming from in-game sounds from Dota2, GTA and Hearthstone. Removing any and all music from live streaming (don't start with the silly idea of using "free" music, that is never going to work) will be a huge blow to twitch. It's not just player streams. Imagine Dreamhack without any music whatsoever. Imagine 30 minute breaks, completely silent. Fun, isn't it? Installing youtube's contentID system that basically removes everything it can find will cripple twitch enough that some serious competition can finally rise. I doubt that the guys at twitch are that stupid, but you never know, now that Google holds the reins. From my understanding, its not something they can fix till they turn it on and see how it fucks up and tags stuff its not supposed to. Then they can fix those problems. But they need to know where the problem is to fix first. And Dream hack will have music, they just might not have it in the VOD. Which is fine, since the music is during the down time anyways. There are ways around it production wise. First of all, no, Dreamhack has music all the time. In-game music, for starters. Music when a player wins. Music in the previews. Of course it's just background music, but the content system doesn't care about that. And my point is under the assumption that this will be turned on for live streaming. Which it will, if the technology is there and Google buys twitch. Not to mention the awesome potential of "This stream is not available in your country". It will be fine, they will have music and find a way to put up VODs. Maybe they just record it and upload the VODs to youtube. People will work around it. "People will never switch from Livestream, it has great functionality and way too much momentum" - people like you, Spring 2010 "Why would anybody switch from ustream? It doesn't have 1000-person chat limits like livestream did, plus everybody already streams there so you'd lose collateral viewers switching" - people like you, Fall 2010
Yep. When pushed around too much the gaming community is definitely one community that doesn't stand around too long.
On August 07 2014 10:56 Plexa wrote:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Hm. So what does this mean for OGN's paywall system? I pretty much subscribed solely to be able to watch VODs of old Champions seasons.</p>— Kiett (@KiettPanda) <a href="https://twitter.com/KiettPanda/statuses/497198140957540352">August 7, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I was wondering earlier as well. Some streamers have this as well and not just leagues...
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On August 07 2014 10:37 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:29 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 10:26 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 10:23 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 10:20 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:
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That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... Youtube is not a music service. And before you say that twitch isn't, either, remember that the audio recognition software recognizes and blocks ambient/in-game sound/music as well. There's already reports of blocks coming from in-game sounds from Dota2, GTA and Hearthstone. Removing any and all music from live streaming (don't start with the silly idea of using "free" music, that is never going to work) will be a huge blow to twitch. It's not just player streams. Imagine Dreamhack without any music whatsoever. Imagine 30 minute breaks, completely silent. Fun, isn't it? Installing youtube's contentID system that basically removes everything it can find will cripple twitch enough that some serious competition can finally rise. I doubt that the guys at twitch are that stupid, but you never know, now that Google holds the reins. From my understanding, its not something they can fix till they turn it on and see how it fucks up and tags stuff its not supposed to. Then they can fix those problems. But they need to know where the problem is to fix first. And Dream hack will have music, they just might not have it in the VOD. Which is fine, since the music is during the down time anyways. There are ways around it production wise. First of all, no, Dreamhack has music all the time. In-game music, for starters. Music when a player wins. Music in the previews. Of course it's just background music, but the content system doesn't care about that. And my point is under the assumption that this will be turned on for live streaming. Which it will, if the technology is there and Google buys twitch. Not to mention the awesome potential of "This stream is not available in your country". It will be fine, they will have music and find a way to put up VODs. Maybe they just record it and upload the VODs to youtube. People will work around it. "People will never switch from Livestream, it has great functionality and way too much momentum" - people like you, Spring 2010 "Why would anybody switch from ustream? It doesn't have 1000-person chat limits like livestream did, plus everybody already streams there so you'd lose collateral viewers switching" - people like you, Fall 2010
The thing is that any streaming service that gets large enough will need to put a system like this in place. And its not like Twitch is doing this because they want to. Just like YouTube, they put it in place because they have to take down copyrighted material or open themselves to liability to the record labels. Its not like any other streaming service is going to be magically immune to this.
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On August 07 2014 08:25 xuanzue wrote:
dotatv is more strong than ever. shame in the rest of games that gonna need azubu to stream without trouble.
DotaTV has been more stable than Twitch since I started watching Dota2. And now that you can pause and rewind games in progress (from the point you started watching it), it doesn't look all that interesting to watch streams any longer of Dota2.
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On August 07 2014 12:44 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 08:25 xuanzue wrote:
dotatv is more strong than ever. shame in the rest of games that gonna need azubu to stream without trouble. DotaTV has been more stable than Twitch since I started watching Dota2. And now that you can pause and rewind games in progress (from the point you started watching it), it doesn't look all that interesting to watch streams any longer of Dota2.
The upcoming addition of new production features like split-screen cams for base races and I think some more teamfight info will add a lot more to DotaTV, in addition to the ton of stuff that they've implemented these past months.
However, I still think streams still hold some advantage over DotaTV, like being able to more easily follow an individual player, being able to listen to his music and commentary. I can't imagine experiences like Singsing's stream or Arteezy's stream transferring over very well to DotaTV. Plus, I'm currently not in a position to pay for most tournament tickets to access them on DotaTV, so I prefer to watch them free over Twitch.
I do think there should be an active effort to rescue vods, though. A lot of decent history can potentially be lost, especially from older leagues.
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Well Twitch is dead to me for watching VODs of a ton of streamers. Huge portions sometimes the entire VOD itself is muted because they were playing copyrighted music in the background. Can't watch any Dota2 streamer VOD and some CSGO streamers too. So much bullshit, was actually hoping Google wouldn't bring their Youtube type censorship over to Twitch but I was dead wrong.
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Hitbox said that ever since Twitch implemented their rules today, they had a huge influx of users. So much so that their site crashed.
Gaming community isn't stupid, most of the people who are with Twitch are gamers themselves. Whatever the reasons that Twitch is doing this for, it will hurt them. Now streamers actually have a legit reason to find other places to stream. Streaming and Music goes along hand to hand. The fact that Twitch even did this is just confusing.
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Isn't it technically illegal to stream using music you don't have permission to?
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The whole "in-game ambient and music" thing sounds so stupid to me.
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On August 07 2014 14:27 WindWolf wrote:
Isn't it technically illegal to stream using music you don't have permission to?
Probably, but the way that Twitch and Youtube has been combating this has been way too blunt and messy. Too much of innocent content has been unfairly flagged on both sites already.
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On August 07 2014 14:27 WindWolf wrote:
Isn't it technically illegal to stream using music you don't have permission to?
Technically it is up to the person of the music you are listening to on stream. Some don't mind and would like the attention, some won't allow it.
Monstercat said on Twitter they will never mute any streamer that is using their music and has a form out that allows you to fill out info for the bypass. Obviously Monstercat actually cares.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 07 2014 14:27 WindWolf wrote:
Isn't it technically illegal to stream using music you don't have permission to?
Twitch pay a ton to make it legal to stream it, just not record it.
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Is not just playing music on stream considered a mashup which is covered under fair use laws? Well I guess if the channel is partnered and it is making money off of it, then maybe not. Also twitch is always making money off of any streams, but how much is due to background music?
I guess this is just in general a mess when it comes to laws.
In general though, it is not breaking copyright to play some copyrighted music on a VOD you are not making any money on.
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in light of the twitch policy changes, is it possible for foreigners to stream on afreeca?
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On August 07 2014 15:03 Xiphias wrote:
Is not just playing music on stream considered a mashup which is covered under fair use laws? Well I guess if the channel is partnered and it is making money off of it, then maybe not. Also twitch is always making money off of any streams, but how much is due to background music?
I guess this is just in general a mess when it comes to laws.
In general though, it is not breaking copyright to play some copyrighted music on a VOD you are not making any money on.
Wrong. This is neither covered by fair use nor is there a "it's ok if you don't make a profit" thing when it comes to copyright.
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On August 07 2014 15:10 Frolossus wrote:
in light of the twitch policy changes, is it possible for foreigners to stream on afreeca?
Not if you don't own a Korean ID.
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Wait a second, does this mean that Hot_Bid's Portal streams are going to be lost to us forever? Somebody save them from the VOD purge!
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