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I honestly think this could be disastrous for twitch/google.
When shit hit the fan last year on youtube, there was no REAL alternative. I mean there are other video website but not many are well done to keep a community going or anything like that, like youtube allows you to do. And I don't think many other websites pay their content creators like that. There are too many advantages to youtube vs any other similar website at the time and at the moment.
But with twitch? There is some, albeit small relatively, competition and if hitbox (and maybe ustream/others?) play their cards right their could steal several good streamers and this could quickly get out of control for twitch. Just imagine if a dozen or so popular streamers go to hitbox. Suddenly, it's a very real competitor and twitch has to back-pedal or die within a few weeks. It wouldn't be the craziest thing we've ever seen on the internet.
As long as hitbox pays the streamers their dues and doesn't screw it up of course.
Also keep in a mind quite a few streamers do this for fun (smaller channels) and not to get paid. They will go wherever is more popular (where big streamer go) and where they have less hassle (music, VODs without having to jump through hoops, etc).
Even if twitch 100% backpedals right now (they won't), the damage is already partially done and it will expand exponentially within a few days.
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On August 07 2014 07:48 alienQT wrote:
This is unbelievable, i never understood all the fluff about copyright music, its free advertising and all they do is killing it for us..
I and friends buyed a lot of stuff we listned too on twitch / youtube and many people do it too :/
And the amount you and your few friends bought (assuming that is true) is really small compared to making (broadcasting) companies pay for the right to broadcast the music.
"Free advertising" is also one of the most retarded arguments.
"Hey, I mowed your lawn even though you didn't ask me; NOW PAY ME!" even though you indented to mow it on the coming weekend (or wanted your nephew to do it, so he could earn some money)
"Hey, I washed your windshield at the traffic light NOW PAY ME!" even though you were at the car wash 30min ago.
"You haven't asked me to do X (advertising) now give me compensation (don't sue me!)" is stupid. Respect copyright.
Or: There are a shitton of artists who offer royalty free music. Support those artists. Tell your favorite streamer / eSports company to only use royalty free music.
Stop caring about companies (music / game) who enforce their copyright. Start embracing companies who offer licenses for their stuff (royalty free artists, Valve, Blizzard, Riot, ....)
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Yeah, that valve stream playing music owned and created by valve....the horror! :p
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On August 07 2014 08:17 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 07:48 alienQT wrote:
This is unbelievable, i never understood all the fluff about copyright music, its free advertising and all they do is killing it for us..
I and friends buyed a lot of stuff we listned too on twitch / youtube and many people do it too :/ And the amount you and your few friends bought (assuming that is true) is really small compared to making (broadcasting) companies pay for the right to broadcast the music. "Free advertising" is also one of the most retarded arguments. "Hey, I mowed your lawn even though you didn't ask me; NOW PAY ME!" even though you indented to mow it on the coming weekend (or wanted your nephew to do it, so he could earn some money) "Hey, I washed your windshield at the traffic light NOW PAY ME!" even though you were at the car wash 30min ago. "You haven't asked me to do X (advertising) now give me compensation (don't sue me!)" is stupid. Respect copyright. Or: There are a shitton of artists who offer royalty free music. Support those artists. Tell your favorite streamer / eSports company to only use royalty free music. Stop caring about companies (music / game) who enforce their copyright. Start embracing companies who offer licenses for their stuff (royalty free artists, Valve, Blizzard, Riot, ....)
Your comparisons make no sense. No one is asking to get paid for playing music on their stream. It's background noise while they play games. They just don't want all of their (soon to be nonexistent) VODs muted because of it.
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dotatv is more strong than ever. shame in the rest of games that gonna need azubu to stream without trouble.
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On August 07 2014 08:23 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 08:17 Zocat wrote:On August 07 2014 07:48 alienQT wrote:
This is unbelievable, i never understood all the fluff about copyright music, its free advertising and all they do is killing it for us..
I and friends buyed a lot of stuff we listned too on twitch / youtube and many people do it too :/ And the amount you and your few friends bought (assuming that is true) is really small compared to making (broadcasting) companies pay for the right to broadcast the music. "Free advertising" is also one of the most retarded arguments. "Hey, I mowed your lawn even though you didn't ask me; NOW PAY ME!" even though you indented to mow it on the coming weekend (or wanted your nephew to do it, so he could earn some money) "Hey, I washed your windshield at the traffic light NOW PAY ME!" even though you were at the car wash 30min ago. "You haven't asked me to do X (advertising) now give me compensation (don't sue me!)" is stupid. Respect copyright. Or: There are a shitton of artists who offer royalty free music. Support those artists. Tell your favorite streamer / eSports company to only use royalty free music. Stop caring about companies (music / game) who enforce their copyright. Start embracing companies who offer licenses for their stuff (royalty free artists, Valve, Blizzard, Riot, ....) Your comparisons make no sense. No one is asking to get paid for playing music on their stream. It's background noise while they play games. They just don't want all of their (soon to be nonexistent) VODs muted because of it.
The response to that is going to be, don't play the music on stream. This was always going to happen at some point, google or not. At some point the people who own the music were going to ask twitch to crack down on people using the music in the back ground.
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I think it is safe to say that the program is flagging everything that sounds remotely like music. I wonder how close Twitch was to getting sued to have to rush this shit out so quickly. Clearly there wasn't a lot of time to plan this out.
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"Please note that Audio Recognition is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate. It may return false positives or miss content from copyright owners who do not work with Audible Magic."
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On August 07 2014 08:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 08:23 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 08:17 Zocat wrote:On August 07 2014 07:48 alienQT wrote:
This is unbelievable, i never understood all the fluff about copyright music, its free advertising and all they do is killing it for us..
I and friends buyed a lot of stuff we listned too on twitch / youtube and many people do it too :/ And the amount you and your few friends bought (assuming that is true) is really small compared to making (broadcasting) companies pay for the right to broadcast the music. "Free advertising" is also one of the most retarded arguments. "Hey, I mowed your lawn even though you didn't ask me; NOW PAY ME!" even though you indented to mow it on the coming weekend (or wanted your nephew to do it, so he could earn some money) "Hey, I washed your windshield at the traffic light NOW PAY ME!" even though you were at the car wash 30min ago. "You haven't asked me to do X (advertising) now give me compensation (don't sue me!)" is stupid. Respect copyright. Or: There are a shitton of artists who offer royalty free music. Support those artists. Tell your favorite streamer / eSports company to only use royalty free music. Stop caring about companies (music / game) who enforce their copyright. Start embracing companies who offer licenses for their stuff (royalty free artists, Valve, Blizzard, Riot, ....) Your comparisons make no sense. No one is asking to get paid for playing music on their stream. It's background noise while they play games. They just don't want all of their (soon to be nonexistent) VODs muted because of it. The response to that is going to be, don't play the music on stream. This was always going to happen at some point, google or not. At some point the people who own the music were going to ask twitch to crack down on people using the music in the back ground.
I watched a lot of ManVsGame before he started becoming a martyr with his outrageous antics. A long time ago he had several music producers on his cast while he played, and all of them loved to have their music played on Stream because it was literally free advertising. (I watched several of it and that was literally their words.) This isn't YouTube, where you can straight rip off of the video and turn into MP3.
There are literally countless streamers who play music while they play, most of us gamers here probably do the same, do we not? The only way is to have the music playing privately now when they are streaming. But now that the viewers are the ones that just sit there and depending on the game, hear nothing... or hear keyboard keys being punched while being played.
Not every music producer is going to want their music to not be played on stream. Some would love for it to happen, others won't.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Well, time to make a hitbox account.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On August 07 2014 09:06 Plexa wrote:
Well, time to make a hitbox account.
same with ya
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Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy.
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On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy.
Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that.
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On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that.
That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music.
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Catyoul
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On August 07 2014 07:40 Roggay wrote:
2 extremely fun facts:
- Twitch's own vods are getting flagged, like the vod of Twitch weekly.
- pressing spacebar twice over a muted section of vod unmutes the vod
Hilarious.
Edit: got sniped about twitch weekly.
Yes, currently the blocking seems to be implemented client-side, using volume control in the Flash player (lol).
Any Twitch client not using the Flash player should not be affected (yet at least).
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On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music.
And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users.
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On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music.
Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube.
People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine.
On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users.
There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck.
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On August 07 2014 08:23 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 08:17 Zocat wrote:On August 07 2014 07:48 alienQT wrote:
This is unbelievable, i never understood all the fluff about copyright music, its free advertising and all they do is killing it for us..
I and friends buyed a lot of stuff we listned too on twitch / youtube and many people do it too :/ And the amount you and your few friends bought (assuming that is true) is really small compared to making (broadcasting) companies pay for the right to broadcast the music. "Free advertising" is also one of the most retarded arguments. "Hey, I mowed your lawn even though you didn't ask me; NOW PAY ME!" even though you indented to mow it on the coming weekend (or wanted your nephew to do it, so he could earn some money) "Hey, I washed your windshield at the traffic light NOW PAY ME!" even though you were at the car wash 30min ago. "You haven't asked me to do X (advertising) now give me compensation (don't sue me!)" is stupid. Respect copyright. Or: There are a shitton of artists who offer royalty free music. Support those artists. Tell your favorite streamer / eSports company to only use royalty free music. Stop caring about companies (music / game) who enforce their copyright. Start embracing companies who offer licenses for their stuff (royalty free artists, Valve, Blizzard, Riot, ....) Your comparisons make no sense. No one is asking to get paid for playing music on their stream. It's background noise while they play games. They just don't want all of their (soon to be nonexistent) VODs muted because of it.
People are asking to get paid in ad revenue (if partnered; non partnered just means people are worthless to the ad seller, which doesn't mean the laws don't apply).
Background noise means shit.
The music in a restaurant is background noise. The music in a supermarket is background noise.
They all pay licensing fees. As soon as you make music publicly available (which a stream does) a license is required (which usually involves paying *cough royalty free music cough*)
Imagine the following crazy situation:
You use my content. It makes you no cash. It makes me a billion dollars. I have all the rights to tell you to stop doing it. You have no legal claim saying "But you benefit from it" (like "you get free advertisement"). It would be the most stupid decision I would ever do in my life, but the law backs me up and you're fucked.
I can do the most retarded decision since it's MY content. Just as you are allowed to smoke & drink, even though smoking & drinking is bad for you and I cannot (legally) stop you from doing it. The only option is to stop using my content (royalty free music).
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