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Lucumo
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On July 26 2014 05:32 Lucumo wrote: Stability has definitely improved but it's still not completely satisfactory. And they still need to give us the proper quality options back. Medium for some streams looks worse than low for others. I just want my 360p, sigh. I can't see any quality options on Twitch streams anymore. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On July 27 2014 13:35 WindWolf wrote: I can't see any quality options on Twitch streams anymore. Unless it has changed, it depends on the streamer. I believe if they are partners you can have the options but if they aren't, no go. Don't quote me on this but this is what people have told me on the past. | ||
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Fi0na
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On July 28 2014 12:09 Kurr wrote: Unless it has changed, it depends on the streamer. I believe if they are partners you can have the options but if they aren't, no go. Don't quote me on this but this is what people have told me on the past. yeah, this REALLY sucks. As in, new streamers will have to cut out a large audience when starting to stream. If they stream 1080+, then tons of people (including me) can't watch the stream due to insufficient download rate. If they figure out how to stream in lower quality, enough people will not want to watch (and who wants to turn down quality on purpose?). So the already big streamer get more viewers, as you can change the options there, whereas the small streamers have to have an excellent rating of the stream to have a chance at having sometimes the option for different resolutions (or be lucky enough to build a large enough audience with the resolution they selected, which is most likely 1080+). It really sucks and I read that over a year ago Twitch promised to better the situation, but they didn't. Really, often times I would be happy to at least only hear the audio without any lag and don't care at all about the video, but nope. Denied by twitch.tv. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On July 28 2014 12:09 Kurr wrote: Unless it has changed, it depends on the streamer. I believe if they are partners you can have the options but if they aren't, no go. Don't quote me on this but this is what people have told me on the past. Why is it this way in the first place? This is something Twitch also needs to improve DotaTV just never stops improving. Not only have they fixed the GG lag now, you can also rewind the game in real time | ||
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Fi0na
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On July 28 2014 16:39 WindWolf wrote: Why is it this way in the first place? This is something Twitch also needs to improve DotaTV just never stops improving. Not only have they fixed the GG lag now, you can also rewind the game in real time they said in a public statement like a year+ ago that it was the conversion to other bitrates that took the most capacity of their servers (more likely it is simply about providing the stream 4 times in different qualities = 4x as much server load), so they cut it for the average joe. You only get it if you are partnered or if the server load is low people with a Dashboard rating of "Excellent" may also randomly get that option for some time. Source: http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/questions/794104-why-do-certain-streams-do-not-have-the-option-for-different-quality- But yeah, if you are not partnered you are screwed and might not get enough of a user base to get partnered because you are not partnered. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On July 28 2014 18:26 Fi0na wrote: (more likely it is simply about providing the stream 4 times in different qualities = 4x as much server load) This is so wrong and so misundersting of how internet works... Actually, by having several qualities they probably save bandwidth (as long as lower quality wouldnt be the standard). But yes, conversion is load heavy on CPU: streamer provide 1 quality and twitch servers must convert them according to requests. Now, it's at most 3 conversions per stream? Not sure it is that heavy considering the number of servers they must own nowadays. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On July 28 2014 18:37 Furikawari wrote: This is so wrong and so misundersting of how internet works... Actually, by having several qualities they probably save bandwidth (as long as lower quality wouldnt be the standard). But yes, conversion is load heavy on CPU: streamer provide 1 quality and twitch servers must convert them according to requests. Now, it's at most 3 conversions per stream? Not sure it is that heavy considering the number of servers they must own nowadays. Real-time conversion is incredibly intensive work and is NOT something they have the resources to provide to the 10,000s of streamers. On July 28 2014 18:26 Fi0na wrote: they said in a public statement like a year+ ago that it was the conversion to other bitrates that took the most capacity of their servers (more likely it is simply about providing the stream 4 times in different qualities = 4x as much server load), so they cut it for the average joe. You only get it if you are partnered or if the server load is low people with a Dashboard rating of "Excellent" may also randomly get that option for some time. Source: http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/questions/794104-why-do-certain-streams-do-not-have-the-option-for-different-quality- But yeah, if you are not partnered you are screwed and might not get enough of a user base to get partnered because you are not partnered. What would you like them to do? Every time you visit Twitch they only show you one of the thousand LoL/DotA channels with 1-2 viewers? Give random people transcoding? Most of the partnered people have made a tremendous amount of effort to do so by providing a good show or being exceptional at their game. It's very unlikely that the only thing holding back non-partnered streams is their stream quality being too high. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On July 28 2014 18:26 Fi0na wrote: But yeah, if you are not partnered you are screwed and might not get enough of a user base to get partnered because you are not partnered. Chicken and egg issue really here. I'm hoping Google can fix things for the better | ||
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Pumplekin
United Kingdom50 Posts
Calculating the cost is tricky though, but it doesn't need to be exactly correct, it just needs to be something that insures twitch against loss should. Twitch would need additional computing resources for people that opted into this scheme, but they would be able to roll cancellations into the general pool of computing resource they would need anyway. Doing this on a long term basis makes sense, as some of what you are paying for is the upfront purchase of the hardware, and some the extra powerbill to run it. Of course, if Twitch ends up with Google, they will have much more economy of scale to bring to bear on this and I wouldn't be surprised if everyone ended up with free transcoding just because in the bigger Google picture, it is in effect free. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
http://thenextweb.com/media/2014/08/05/justin-tv-shuts-7-years-amid-reports-google-acquiring-twitch/ Didn't take long. But more importantly, I noticed today in past broadcasts for streamers you can't see how long ago the video was made anymore. AAAAAAAAAAAARGH WHAT WERE THEY THINKING. FUCK. I almost exclusively watch streams through past broadcasts and this is such a pain in the ass. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
Audio Recognition will only be run against audio in VODs. We are not scanning live broadcasts and there is no automated takedown of live content. | ||
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On August 07 2014 05:55 hzflank wrote: Why would they remove the dates from the past broadcasts? They are removing past broadcasts entirely: http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/update-changes-to-vods-on-twitch/ | ||
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Grettin
42412 Posts
http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/ We’ve partnered with Audible Magic, which works closely with the recorded music industry, to scan past and future VODs for music owned or controlled by clients of Audible Magic. This includes in-game and ambient music. When music in the Audible Magic database is detected (“Flagged Content”), the affected portion of the VOD will be muted and volume controls for that VOD will be turned off. Additionally, past broadcasts and highlights with Flagged Content are exportable but will remain muted So in-game music huh? This is going to be fun. | ||
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Dantak
Czech Republic648 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 07 2014 06:32 Grettin wrote: Important: Changes To Audio In VODS. No more copyrighted music. http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/ So in-game music huh? This is going to be fun. So it's gonna be the same bullshit system youtube uses... I fucking hate copyright laws and companies that enforce them like fucking nazis. | ||
iHirO
United Kingdom1381 Posts
Then the archived streams could automatically replace the music with some non copyrighted light jazz while keeping everything else unchanged. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
edit: well I mean, you can still record it locally, but twitch will be pretty useless for that function now. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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