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I have never went to a stream vod and was like "I have to listen to all these songs!" Twitch is going full Google on this one like YouTube did. Oh, Twitch. Closed Justin.tv, introduce this and no unlimited VODs all in the same 24hrs. Also, in-game music is licensed for the developer to have in the game. Developers know about Twitch and its usage I don't get why that's getting flagged.
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On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck.
Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out.
Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!"
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Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however.
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On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!"
Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid.
On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however.
Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait....
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On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait....
For now it's just vods. Give it time.
Where else do you go to besides youtube? blip? Lol.
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On August 07 2014 10:03 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... For now it's just vods. Give it time. Where else do you go to besides youtube? blip? Lol.
Daily motion and a bunch of others. They are all terrible, but exists. And it likely will come for live stuff, because the record labels can and will likely sue. Its not like Twitch wants to do this, but they have to or the record labels will try to use them as an ATM.
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seems like contentID isn't flagging my vods with kpop (only western music).... guess only playing kpop now
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On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait....
I'd say my twitch usage is 70/30 ratio of VODs/live.
I like to watch speedrunners, marathons I missed, mtg, tourneys for different games. I get all those on VODs. Even some streamers that stream when I can't watch that are interesting even in VODs I watch sometimes. Just for an example, tornis is a streamer that streams 8-10 hours a day when I'm unable to watch and I like most of his videos. He plays TONS of games and I like to go see what I missed every once in a while and watch a bunch if I like the game. I've bought quite a few games because of him. Now I will only be able to see 14 or 60 days behind, with probable muted sound since he listens to music as he streams.
VODs are still very different than LPs. I enjoy those as well on youtube.
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I know it will likely happen. Just give it time, luckly unlike say Youtube other sites exist and don't suck.
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Random thought: Don't a lot of Pros of any game that stream listen to music while they play. I used to watch VODs when they were offline. Now they'll be in silence.
@synapse: If that's true, then I'm good.
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On August 07 2014 10:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:03 Parnage wrote:On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... For now it's just vods. Give it time. Where else do you go to besides youtube? blip? Lol. Daily motion and a bunch of others. They are all terrible, but exists. And it likely will come for live stuff, because the record labels can and will likely sue. Its not like Twitch wants to do this, but they have to or the record labels will try to use them as an ATM.
The difference is the barely usable interface of most of those websites and lack benefits (basically no viewers, they probably don't pay content producers much, they have just as many issues with copyrights, etc) on those websites are VERY different from youtube.
Going from twitch to hitbox is not that different (I'd say the hitbox interface is better even or at least as good as twitch's which is a huge deal) besides viewership. And if word passes like it is, that could be a null point very fast.
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On August 07 2014 10:14 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:06 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 10:03 Parnage wrote:On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:
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Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... For now it's just vods. Give it time. Where else do you go to besides youtube? blip? Lol. Daily motion and a bunch of others. They are all terrible, but exists. And it likely will come for live stuff, because the record labels can and will likely sue. Its not like Twitch wants to do this, but they have to or the record labels will try to use them as an ATM. The difference is the barely usable interface of most of those websites and lack benefits (basically no viewers, they probably don't pay content producers much, they have just as many issues with copyrights, etc) on those websites are VERY different from youtube. Going from twitch to hitbox is not that different (I'd say the hitbox interface is better even or at least as good as twitch's which is a huge deal) besides viewership. And if word passes like it is, that could be a null point very fast.
Until they get cease and desist letter from the record labels and have to use the same system. And the migration isn't going to happen. People didn't leave youtube and they aren't going to leave twitch.
And that is the reason Youtube is the top used site, because they have better features and don't suck as much as the other sites. Thats how the internet works, people go to the best, most widely used service.
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On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait....
Youtube is not a music service. And before you say that twitch isn't, either, remember that the audio recognition software recognizes and blocks ambient/in-game sound/music as well. There's already reports of blocks coming from in-game sounds from Dota2, GTA and Hearthstone.
Removing any and all music from live streaming (don't start with the silly idea of using "free" music, that is never going to work) will be a huge blow to twitch. It's not just player streams. Imagine Dreamhack without any music whatsoever. Imagine 30 minute breaks, completely silent. Fun, isn't it? Installing youtube's contentID system that basically removes everything it can find will cripple twitch enough that some serious competition can finally rise.
I doubt that the guys at twitch are that stupid, but you never know, now that Google holds the reins.
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On August 07 2014 10:20 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... Youtube is not a music service. And before you say that twitch isn't, either, remember that the audio recognition software recognizes and blocks ambient/in-game sound/music as well. There's already reports of blocks coming from in-game sounds from Dota2, GTA and Hearthstone. Removing any and all music from live streaming (don't start with the silly idea of using "free" music, that is never going to work) will be a huge blow to twitch. It's not just player streams. Imagine Dreamhack without any music whatsoever. Imagine 30 minute breaks, completely silent. Fun, isn't it? Installing youtube's contentID system that basically removes everything it can find will cripple twitch enough that some serious competition can finally rise. I doubt that the guys at twitch are that stupid, but you never know, now that Google holds the reins.
From my understanding, its not something they can fix till they turn it on and see how it fucks up and tags stuff its not supposed to. Then they can fix those problems. But they need to know where the problem is to fix first.
And Dream hack will have music, they just might not have it in the VOD. Which is fine, since the music is during the down time anyways. There are ways around it production wise.
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Oh, and there's this fun little tidbit. Content creators themselves have their own work flagged against their own will. Imagine that happening with live streaming.
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It's already muted Twitch's own channel and a few other games being run officially in tournaments (Dota). It's already fucked up.
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On August 07 2014 10:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:20 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... Youtube is not a music service. And before you say that twitch isn't, either, remember that the audio recognition software recognizes and blocks ambient/in-game sound/music as well. There's already reports of blocks coming from in-game sounds from Dota2, GTA and Hearthstone. Removing any and all music from live streaming (don't start with the silly idea of using "free" music, that is never going to work) will be a huge blow to twitch. It's not just player streams. Imagine Dreamhack without any music whatsoever. Imagine 30 minute breaks, completely silent. Fun, isn't it? Installing youtube's contentID system that basically removes everything it can find will cripple twitch enough that some serious competition can finally rise. I doubt that the guys at twitch are that stupid, but you never know, now that Google holds the reins. From my understanding, its not something they can fix till they turn it on and see how it fucks up and tags stuff its not supposed to. Then they can fix those problems. But they need to know where the problem is to fix first. And Dream hack will have music, they just might not have it in the VOD. Which is fine, since the music is during the down time anyways. There are ways around it production wise.
First of all, no, Dreamhack has music all the time. In-game music, for starters. Music when a player wins. Music in the previews. Of course it's just background music, but the content system doesn't care about that.
And my point is under the assumption that this will be turned on for live streaming. Which it will, if the technology is there and Google buys twitch.
Not to mention the awesome potential of "This stream is not available in your country".
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On August 07 2014 10:26 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:23 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 10:20 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:
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Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... Youtube is not a music service. And before you say that twitch isn't, either, remember that the audio recognition software recognizes and blocks ambient/in-game sound/music as well. There's already reports of blocks coming from in-game sounds from Dota2, GTA and Hearthstone. Removing any and all music from live streaming (don't start with the silly idea of using "free" music, that is never going to work) will be a huge blow to twitch. It's not just player streams. Imagine Dreamhack without any music whatsoever. Imagine 30 minute breaks, completely silent. Fun, isn't it? Installing youtube's contentID system that basically removes everything it can find will cripple twitch enough that some serious competition can finally rise. I doubt that the guys at twitch are that stupid, but you never know, now that Google holds the reins. From my understanding, its not something they can fix till they turn it on and see how it fucks up and tags stuff its not supposed to. Then they can fix those problems. But they need to know where the problem is to fix first. And Dream hack will have music, they just might not have it in the VOD. Which is fine, since the music is during the down time anyways. There are ways around it production wise. First of all, no, Dreamhack has music all the time. In-game music, for starters. Music when a player wins. Music in the previews. Of course it's just background music, but the content system doesn't care about that. And my point is under the assumption that this will be turned on for live streaming. Which it will, if the technology is there and Google buys twitch. Not to mention the awesome potential of "This stream is not available in your country".
It will be fine, they will have music and find a way to put up VODs. Maybe they just record it and upload the VODs to youtube. People will work around it.
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On August 07 2014 10:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:14 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 10:06 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 10:03 Parnage wrote:On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:
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Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... For now it's just vods. Give it time. Where else do you go to besides youtube? blip? Lol. Daily motion and a bunch of others. They are all terrible, but exists. And it likely will come for live stuff, because the record labels can and will likely sue. Its not like Twitch wants to do this, but they have to or the record labels will try to use them as an ATM. The difference is the barely usable interface of most of those websites and lack benefits (basically no viewers, they probably don't pay content producers much, they have just as many issues with copyrights, etc) on those websites are VERY different from youtube. Going from twitch to hitbox is not that different (I'd say the hitbox interface is better even or at least as good as twitch's which is a huge deal) besides viewership. And if word passes like it is, that could be a null point very fast. Until they get cease and desist letter from the record labels and have to use the same system. And the migration isn't going to happen. People didn't leave youtube and they aren't going to leave twitch. And that is the reason Youtube is the top used site, because they have better features and don't suck as much as the other sites. Thats how the internet works, people go to the best, most widely used service.
Feel free to disagree if you want. Youtube and Twitch are apples and oranges so comparing them as you are is wrong IMO but you seem stuck on that idea so I won't argue further.
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On August 07 2014 10:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:26 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 10:23 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 10:20 Conti wrote:On August 07 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:56 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 09:15 Sub40APM wrote:
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Well, bravo to google. They spend a billion dollars on a company that their own action will possible make nearly valueless because of clumsy anti-piracy. Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. Sure you can. Have you ever heard of "Let's Plays". Its just a recorded Twitch Stream on youtube and they are one of the most thriving scenes on Youtube. People thinking this will kill twitch are just drinking the drama coolaid. It will just become like Lets plays on Youtube, which do just fine. On August 07 2014 09:39 Kurr wrote:On August 07 2014 09:26 NexUmbra wrote:On August 07 2014 09:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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Okay, saying it's valueless is a bit of an overstatement. Did youtube become valueless? Cause they did the same thing with that. That isn't completely a fair comparison though. Consider the number of videos on YouTube of people playing music and compare it with the number of Twitch streams playing music. And the fact that youtube had 0 competitors ready to welcome new users. There are tons of other services out there, they just all kinda suck. Let's Plays (good ones) are NOTHING like streams. They are highly edited and thought out. Streams are spontaneous "hey let's play this game and have some fun while chatting it up!" Yeah, but this system only works on VODs. Who watches VODs of streams? Life streams are not effected and this avoids Twitch being sued by the record labels, which would happen. Twitch will be fine. People are just drinking up the drama coolaid. On August 07 2014 09:57 Conti wrote:
Well, with them cutting down the VOD system to automatically delete all old VODs, and making pretty much all other VODs unusable, all that really happened is that twitch removed VODs entirely. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it sure removes some big features from the site.
Can't wait for the live audio-recognition to start up and do its magic in utterly destroying twitch, however. Just like it did youtube, right? Oh wait.... Youtube is not a music service. And before you say that twitch isn't, either, remember that the audio recognition software recognizes and blocks ambient/in-game sound/music as well. There's already reports of blocks coming from in-game sounds from Dota2, GTA and Hearthstone. Removing any and all music from live streaming (don't start with the silly idea of using "free" music, that is never going to work) will be a huge blow to twitch. It's not just player streams. Imagine Dreamhack without any music whatsoever. Imagine 30 minute breaks, completely silent. Fun, isn't it? Installing youtube's contentID system that basically removes everything it can find will cripple twitch enough that some serious competition can finally rise. I doubt that the guys at twitch are that stupid, but you never know, now that Google holds the reins. From my understanding, its not something they can fix till they turn it on and see how it fucks up and tags stuff its not supposed to. Then they can fix those problems. But they need to know where the problem is to fix first. And Dream hack will have music, they just might not have it in the VOD. Which is fine, since the music is during the down time anyways. There are ways around it production wise. First of all, no, Dreamhack has music all the time. In-game music, for starters. Music when a player wins. Music in the previews. Of course it's just background music, but the content system doesn't care about that. And my point is under the assumption that this will be turned on for live streaming. Which it will, if the technology is there and Google buys twitch. Not to mention the awesome potential of "This stream is not available in your country". It will be fine, they will have music and find a way to put up VODs. Maybe they just record it and upload the VODs to youtube. People will work around it.
Which is as I said: Twitch has de facto removed its VOD feature entirely.
I know that Twitch is not just going to spontaneously kill itself with the love of contentID in live streams. Twitch will work around it. But we don't know how that will look like. It is entirely realistic to assume that some streams (or, rather, pretty much all streams) will not be available in certain countries. It is quite possible that they will switch to a less radical database that does not include game music, and thus "only" killing streamers playing actual music.
But even then.. GTA plays actual music. There is no way to detect the difference between someone playing a song in GTA versus someone playing that song outside of GTA. So there will be collateral damage, and it will be quite ugly.
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