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On October 08 2013 04:07 Rumpus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:03 packrat386 wrote:On October 08 2013 03:59 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 03:48 farvacola wrote:
That's actually been a point of contention among left wingers for quite some time. In the eyes of many, myself included, Obamacare does not go nearly far enough and still allows for a weird coddling of private interests. It is still better than nothing though. Honestly all I see in Obamacare is this administration's version of the Iraq war. Money for friends and business interests bidding the highest to get their pockets lined. No different than Bush with the oil and construction businesses. It's a load of shit too, let it help this or hurt that, I honestly doubt no one will ever make sense of it. All I know is I lose my insurance as of January 1, 2014 which amounts to just another lie by the government. This shutdown should simply drive it to the point of complete replacement and overhaul of this horrendous pile of shit the U.S. government has become. That's quite the claim considering Iraq was a rather destructive war and this is a program that is supposed to get healthcare to millions if people. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. What I mean is at the core of it, it is purely about a business interest getting their way. In Iraq and Afghanistan we saw companies like Halliburton and oil companies make a killing (no pun intended) and now we're seeing the forced purchase of health insurance and the consolidation of Healthcare providers. It's all seemingly amounting to a couple of huge business interests getting their way.
Obamacare is actually bad for insurance companies for a variety of reasons. The most obvious being that insurance companies are now required to take people with pre-existing conditions that they ordinarily would never touch.
The fact that everyone is now required to purchase insurance now means there is more competition for the firms themselves. The basic way competition works is that if firm A and B offer the same service at the same quality, but firm A charges more, you go with firm B. Companies will be playing loss leader with each other to get the new customers.
The no lifetime cap hurts them badly too.
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On October 08 2013 04:00 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 03:48 farvacola wrote:
That's actually been a point of contention among left wingers for quite some time. In the eyes of many, myself included, Obamacare does not go nearly far enough and still allows for a weird coddling of private interests. It is still better than nothing though. Sums it up for me. I'd much prefer a single payer system, it's vastly more efficient, costs less, and provides better quality, and the wealthy would still be welcome to purchase their own healthcare. I'd prefer to cut insurance companies out entirely and go direct to the actual providers and developers of healthcare. But yeah, it's better than nothing.
I think the original bill had a lot of decent cost-cutting measures that could have made an insurance system work.
But ofc those all got murdered in order to try and create something palatable for the Republicans. Obamacare is going to end up like Medicare part D.
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I wish, No more deficits, debt, patriot act, NDAA, federalization of police, no more FDA, CIA, FBI, etc...
Reality is, its all fake. There is no shutdown. It would be great if the federal government just shut down, they are useless anyways, just destroying the economy, going into war, spying, you name it.
The fact that everyone is now required to purchase insurance now means there is more competition for the firms themselves. The basic way competition works is that if firm A and B offer the same service at the same quality, but firm A charges more, you go with firm B. Companies will be playing loss leader with each other to get the new customers.
That is so absurd, its hurting my brain. Lets force every homeless person to buy a house that will make him have a house and the competition will make house prices cheaper. I mean do you even understand of what you are saying?
Like do you know how you sound? Like really?
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On October 08 2013 04:20 BillGates wrote:
I wish, No more deficits, debt, patriot act, NDAA, federalization of police, no more FDA, CIA, FBI, etc...
Reality is, its all fake. There is no shutdown. It would be great if the federal government just shut down, they are useless anyways, just destroying the economy, going into war, spying, you name it.
Do you drink water, shit in a toilet, or drive on a road?
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On October 08 2013 04:12 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:07 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 04:03 packrat386 wrote:On October 08 2013 03:59 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 03:48 farvacola wrote:
That's actually been a point of contention among left wingers for quite some time. In the eyes of many, myself included, Obamacare does not go nearly far enough and still allows for a weird coddling of private interests. It is still better than nothing though. Honestly all I see in Obamacare is this administration's version of the Iraq war. Money for friends and business interests bidding the highest to get their pockets lined. No different than Bush with the oil and construction businesses. It's a load of shit too, let it help this or hurt that, I honestly doubt no one will ever make sense of it. All I know is I lose my insurance as of January 1, 2014 which amounts to just another lie by the government. This shutdown should simply drive it to the point of complete replacement and overhaul of this horrendous pile of shit the U.S. government has become. That's quite the claim considering Iraq was a rather destructive war and this is a program that is supposed to get healthcare to millions if people. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. What I mean is at the core of it, it is purely about a business interest getting their way. In Iraq and Afghanistan we saw companies like Halliburton and oil companies make a killing (no pun intended) and now we're seeing the forced purchase of health insurance and the consolidation of Healthcare providers. It's all seemingly amounting to a couple of huge business interests getting their way. Obamacare is actually bad for insurance companies for a variety of reasons. The most obvious being that insurance companies are now required to take people with pre-existing conditions that they ordinarily would never touch. The fact that everyone is now required to purchase insurance now means there is more competition for the firms themselves. The basic way competition works is that if firm A and B offer the same service at the same quality, but firm A charges more, you go with firm B. Companies will be playing loss leader with each other to get the new customers. The no lifetime cap hurts them badly too.
You're going to find that won't matter much at all. If you had 10 healthcare providers and 6 of them just got axed by Obamacare, the remaining 4 won't care who they provide coverage for. Besides you honestly think these rules will be followed or enforced? I know it's skepticism but the government made it very clear that those that are already covered will not be affected...I had insurance and in a few months I lose it and am forced to buy what they want me to buy. How am I suppose to be okay with that?
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On October 08 2013 04:20 BillGates wrote:
I wish, No more deficits, debt, patriot act, NDAA, federalization of police, no more FDA, CIA, FBI, etc...
Reality is, its all fake. There is no shutdown. It would be great if the federal government just shut down, they are useless anyways, just destroying the economy, going into war, spying, you name it.
Yeah, the government does a really shitty job of making sure the drinking water is safe and warning you of when it isn't, responding to accidents and clearing the roads when an accident occurs, etc.
Successful government is invisible. You only ever notice the problem parts.
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On October 08 2013 04:20 BillGates wrote:I wish, No more deficits, debt, patriot act, NDAA, federalization of police, no more FDA, CIA, FBI, etc... Reality is, its all fake. There is no shutdown. It would be great if the federal government just shut down, they are useless anyways, just destroying the economy, going into war, spying, you name it. Show nested quote +The fact that everyone is now required to purchase insurance now means there is more competition for the firms themselves. The basic way competition works is that if firm A and B offer the same service at the same quality, but firm A charges more, you go with firm B. Companies will be playing loss leader with each other to get the new customers. That is so absurd, its hurting my brain. Lets force every homeless person to buy a house that will make him have a house and the competition will make house prices cheaper. I mean do you even understand of what you are saying? Like do you know how you sound? Like really?
Short run premiums may go up, but long run will decrease. Don't be foolish. If companies raise their premiums and another doesn't, everyone will jump to the one that didn't, which means that one is winning. The fact that there are suddenly way more customers doesn't change it. It's the way the markets work, you can't support a free market and disagree with that. Overall premiums should go down as a result of the removal of costs associated with investigating pre-existing conditions, along with the liklihood of seeing new competition and new companies. I should also point out that your analogy is ridiculous: houses are actual physical things that need to be constructed and take immense resources. Insurance isn't.
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On October 08 2013 04:22 Rumpus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:12 Whitewing wrote:On October 08 2013 04:07 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 04:03 packrat386 wrote:On October 08 2013 03:59 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 03:48 farvacola wrote:
That's actually been a point of contention among left wingers for quite some time. In the eyes of many, myself included, Obamacare does not go nearly far enough and still allows for a weird coddling of private interests. It is still better than nothing though. Honestly all I see in Obamacare is this administration's version of the Iraq war. Money for friends and business interests bidding the highest to get their pockets lined. No different than Bush with the oil and construction businesses. It's a load of shit too, let it help this or hurt that, I honestly doubt no one will ever make sense of it. All I know is I lose my insurance as of January 1, 2014 which amounts to just another lie by the government. This shutdown should simply drive it to the point of complete replacement and overhaul of this horrendous pile of shit the U.S. government has become. That's quite the claim considering Iraq was a rather destructive war and this is a program that is supposed to get healthcare to millions if people. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. What I mean is at the core of it, it is purely about a business interest getting their way. In Iraq and Afghanistan we saw companies like Halliburton and oil companies make a killing (no pun intended) and now we're seeing the forced purchase of health insurance and the consolidation of Healthcare providers. It's all seemingly amounting to a couple of huge business interests getting their way. Obamacare is actually bad for insurance companies for a variety of reasons. The most obvious being that insurance companies are now required to take people with pre-existing conditions that they ordinarily would never touch. The fact that everyone is now required to purchase insurance now means there is more competition for the firms themselves. The basic way competition works is that if firm A and B offer the same service at the same quality, but firm A charges more, you go with firm B. Companies will be playing loss leader with each other to get the new customers. The no lifetime cap hurts them badly too. You're going to find that won't matter much at all. If you had 10 healthcare providers and 6 of them just got axed by Obamacare, the remaining 4 won't care who they provide coverage for. Besides you honestly think these rules will be followed or enforced? I know it's skepticism but the government made it very clear that those that are already covered will not be affected...I had insurance and in a few months I lose it and am forced to buy what they want me to buy. How am I suppose to be okay with that?
Actually, the ACA might very well not be involved in your loss of insurance.
A handful of big-name firms and many small ones are making major changes to their health care plans this fall, and while some big companies are blaming the Affordable Care Act, insurance and economic experts call those claims an exaggeration.
Making health insurance changes, including big premium and deductible hikes when the rate of increase in health care costs has slowed, creates a "messaging issue," says University of Michigan business economics professor Thomas Buchmueller.
"That's not an easy conversation," says Buchmueller. "It's convenient to say, 'the ACA is raising our costs.'"
Big companies citing the ACA are "using this as cover," says Farzan Bharucha, a health care strategist for consulting firm Kurt Salmon. "Companies are making a business decision that by dropping or limiting coverage you won't have employees leave."
Still, there has been big news from some big companies — and even a major university — and some cite the new law.
Is health law really to blame for plan changes?
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On October 08 2013 04:22 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:20 BillGates wrote:
I wish, No more deficits, debt, patriot act, NDAA, federalization of police, no more FDA, CIA, FBI, etc...
Reality is, its all fake. There is no shutdown. It would be great if the federal government just shut down, they are useless anyways, just destroying the economy, going into war, spying, you name it. Do you drink water, shit in a toilet, or drive on a road?
He is BillGates, he shits in a golden champerpot and only travels in his gulfstream or per pedes as a contrast.
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On October 08 2013 04:25 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:22 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 04:12 Whitewing wrote:On October 08 2013 04:07 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 04:03 packrat386 wrote:On October 08 2013 03:59 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 03:48 farvacola wrote:
That's actually been a point of contention among left wingers for quite some time. In the eyes of many, myself included, Obamacare does not go nearly far enough and still allows for a weird coddling of private interests. It is still better than nothing though. Honestly all I see in Obamacare is this administration's version of the Iraq war. Money for friends and business interests bidding the highest to get their pockets lined. No different than Bush with the oil and construction businesses. It's a load of shit too, let it help this or hurt that, I honestly doubt no one will ever make sense of it. All I know is I lose my insurance as of January 1, 2014 which amounts to just another lie by the government. This shutdown should simply drive it to the point of complete replacement and overhaul of this horrendous pile of shit the U.S. government has become. That's quite the claim considering Iraq was a rather destructive war and this is a program that is supposed to get healthcare to millions if people. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. What I mean is at the core of it, it is purely about a business interest getting their way. In Iraq and Afghanistan we saw companies like Halliburton and oil companies make a killing (no pun intended) and now we're seeing the forced purchase of health insurance and the consolidation of Healthcare providers. It's all seemingly amounting to a couple of huge business interests getting their way. Obamacare is actually bad for insurance companies for a variety of reasons. The most obvious being that insurance companies are now required to take people with pre-existing conditions that they ordinarily would never touch. The fact that everyone is now required to purchase insurance now means there is more competition for the firms themselves. The basic way competition works is that if firm A and B offer the same service at the same quality, but firm A charges more, you go with firm B. Companies will be playing loss leader with each other to get the new customers. The no lifetime cap hurts them badly too. You're going to find that won't matter much at all. If you had 10 healthcare providers and 6 of them just got axed by Obamacare, the remaining 4 won't care who they provide coverage for. Besides you honestly think these rules will be followed or enforced? I know it's skepticism but the government made it very clear that those that are already covered will not be affected...I had insurance and in a few months I lose it and am forced to buy what they want me to buy. How am I suppose to be okay with that? Actually, the ACA might very well not be involved in your loss of insurance. Show nested quote +
A handful of big-name firms and many small ones are making major changes to their health care plans this fall, and while some big companies are blaming the Affordable Care Act, insurance and economic experts call those claims an exaggeration.
Making health insurance changes, including big premium and deductible hikes when the rate of increase in health care costs has slowed, creates a "messaging issue," says University of Michigan business economics professor Thomas Buchmueller.
"That's not an easy conversation," says Buchmueller. "It's convenient to say, 'the ACA is raising our costs.'"
Big companies citing the ACA are "using this as cover," says Farzan Bharucha, a health care strategist for consulting firm Kurt Salmon. "Companies are making a business decision that by dropping or limiting coverage you won't have employees leave."
Still, there has been big news from some big companies — and even a major university — and some cite the new law.
Is health law really to blame for plan changes?
Would you like a picture of the letter I received in the mail a week ago claiming as of January 1 I am without insurance due to ACA? What am I suppose to say to that? No, keep providing me with health insurance?
So by some long shot, some insane case of coincidence that my insurance provider will soon be gone...who do you expect me to point the finger at?
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On October 08 2013 04:31 Rumpus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:25 farvacola wrote:On October 08 2013 04:22 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 04:12 Whitewing wrote:On October 08 2013 04:07 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 04:03 packrat386 wrote:On October 08 2013 03:59 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 03:48 farvacola wrote:
That's actually been a point of contention among left wingers for quite some time. In the eyes of many, myself included, Obamacare does not go nearly far enough and still allows for a weird coddling of private interests. It is still better than nothing though. Honestly all I see in Obamacare is this administration's version of the Iraq war. Money for friends and business interests bidding the highest to get their pockets lined. No different than Bush with the oil and construction businesses. It's a load of shit too, let it help this or hurt that, I honestly doubt no one will ever make sense of it. All I know is I lose my insurance as of January 1, 2014 which amounts to just another lie by the government. This shutdown should simply drive it to the point of complete replacement and overhaul of this horrendous pile of shit the U.S. government has become. That's quite the claim considering Iraq was a rather destructive war and this is a program that is supposed to get healthcare to millions if people. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. What I mean is at the core of it, it is purely about a business interest getting their way. In Iraq and Afghanistan we saw companies like Halliburton and oil companies make a killing (no pun intended) and now we're seeing the forced purchase of health insurance and the consolidation of Healthcare providers. It's all seemingly amounting to a couple of huge business interests getting their way. Obamacare is actually bad for insurance companies for a variety of reasons. The most obvious being that insurance companies are now required to take people with pre-existing conditions that they ordinarily would never touch. The fact that everyone is now required to purchase insurance now means there is more competition for the firms themselves. The basic way competition works is that if firm A and B offer the same service at the same quality, but firm A charges more, you go with firm B. Companies will be playing loss leader with each other to get the new customers. The no lifetime cap hurts them badly too. You're going to find that won't matter much at all. If you had 10 healthcare providers and 6 of them just got axed by Obamacare, the remaining 4 won't care who they provide coverage for. Besides you honestly think these rules will be followed or enforced? I know it's skepticism but the government made it very clear that those that are already covered will not be affected...I had insurance and in a few months I lose it and am forced to buy what they want me to buy. How am I suppose to be okay with that? Actually, the ACA might very well not be involved in your loss of insurance.
A handful of big-name firms and many small ones are making major changes to their health care plans this fall, and while some big companies are blaming the Affordable Care Act, insurance and economic experts call those claims an exaggeration.
Making health insurance changes, including big premium and deductible hikes when the rate of increase in health care costs has slowed, creates a "messaging issue," says University of Michigan business economics professor Thomas Buchmueller.
"That's not an easy conversation," says Buchmueller. "It's convenient to say, 'the ACA is raising our costs.'"
Big companies citing the ACA are "using this as cover," says Farzan Bharucha, a health care strategist for consulting firm Kurt Salmon. "Companies are making a business decision that by dropping or limiting coverage you won't have employees leave."
Still, there has been big news from some big companies — and even a major university — and some cite the new law.
Is health law really to blame for plan changes? Would you like a picture of the letter I received in the mail a week ago claiming as of January 1 I am without insurance due to ACA? What am I suppose to say to that? No, keep providing me with health insurance? So by some long shot, some insane case of coincidence that my insurance provider will soon be gone...who do you expect me to point the finger at?
He just informed you that many companies are lying about that, and you reply with "well they said they aren't!"? I don't think that's how it works.
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On October 08 2013 04:31 Rumpus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:25 farvacola wrote:On October 08 2013 04:22 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 04:12 Whitewing wrote:On October 08 2013 04:07 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 04:03 packrat386 wrote:On October 08 2013 03:59 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 03:48 farvacola wrote:
That's actually been a point of contention among left wingers for quite some time. In the eyes of many, myself included, Obamacare does not go nearly far enough and still allows for a weird coddling of private interests. It is still better than nothing though. Honestly all I see in Obamacare is this administration's version of the Iraq war. Money for friends and business interests bidding the highest to get their pockets lined. No different than Bush with the oil and construction businesses. It's a load of shit too, let it help this or hurt that, I honestly doubt no one will ever make sense of it. All I know is I lose my insurance as of January 1, 2014 which amounts to just another lie by the government. This shutdown should simply drive it to the point of complete replacement and overhaul of this horrendous pile of shit the U.S. government has become. That's quite the claim considering Iraq was a rather destructive war and this is a program that is supposed to get healthcare to millions if people. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. What I mean is at the core of it, it is purely about a business interest getting their way. In Iraq and Afghanistan we saw companies like Halliburton and oil companies make a killing (no pun intended) and now we're seeing the forced purchase of health insurance and the consolidation of Healthcare providers. It's all seemingly amounting to a couple of huge business interests getting their way. Obamacare is actually bad for insurance companies for a variety of reasons. The most obvious being that insurance companies are now required to take people with pre-existing conditions that they ordinarily would never touch. The fact that everyone is now required to purchase insurance now means there is more competition for the firms themselves. The basic way competition works is that if firm A and B offer the same service at the same quality, but firm A charges more, you go with firm B. Companies will be playing loss leader with each other to get the new customers. The no lifetime cap hurts them badly too. You're going to find that won't matter much at all. If you had 10 healthcare providers and 6 of them just got axed by Obamacare, the remaining 4 won't care who they provide coverage for. Besides you honestly think these rules will be followed or enforced? I know it's skepticism but the government made it very clear that those that are already covered will not be affected...I had insurance and in a few months I lose it and am forced to buy what they want me to buy. How am I suppose to be okay with that? Actually, the ACA might very well not be involved in your loss of insurance.
A handful of big-name firms and many small ones are making major changes to their health care plans this fall, and while some big companies are blaming the Affordable Care Act, insurance and economic experts call those claims an exaggeration.
Making health insurance changes, including big premium and deductible hikes when the rate of increase in health care costs has slowed, creates a "messaging issue," says University of Michigan business economics professor Thomas Buchmueller.
"That's not an easy conversation," says Buchmueller. "It's convenient to say, 'the ACA is raising our costs.'"
Big companies citing the ACA are "using this as cover," says Farzan Bharucha, a health care strategist for consulting firm Kurt Salmon. "Companies are making a business decision that by dropping or limiting coverage you won't have employees leave."
Still, there has been big news from some big companies — and even a major university — and some cite the new law.
Is health law really to blame for plan changes? Would you like a picture of the letter I received in the mail a week ago claiming as of January 1 I am without insurance due to ACA? What am I suppose to say to that? No, keep providing me with health insurance? So by some long shot, some insane case of coincidence that my insurance provider will soon be gone...who do you expect me to point the finger at?
Did you not read the article, or do you not understand what Prof. Thomas Buchmueller means by "messaging issue" or what Farzan Bharucha means when he says that companies are using the ACA as "cover" for their elimination of employee benefits?
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On October 08 2013 04:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
"Young Turks"? Why on earth would they pick such a politcally loaded name? Didn't they pay attention to their history or was it a provocative move?
It's probably a play on this (quoted from Wikipedia):
The Young Turks was a splinter group of politicians in the United States that broke off from the main Republican Party (GOP) during the early 1960s. The members of the group were mostly Congressmen, who had become disenchanted with the GOP, and were eager for change. They worked within the system to appoint their fellow members into leadership roles, so they could take control of the party.[1] They were considered "rebels" by the traditional Republicans,[1][2] in a similar manner that the Tea Party Congressional Caucus politicians were perceived by the 21st century Republican establishment.[3] Gerald R. Ford, who would become President of the United States, was a Young Turk.
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On October 08 2013 03:16 Serpest wrote:
I hate how the conversations reiterate how the US is stupid, yadda yadda yadda, or the republicans are stupid or the democrats have finally grown a spine or what have you. This has happened before. The Republicans shut down government in the 90s. The Democrats shut down government 8 times under Reagon. Please, don't just spoon feed yourselves off of Fox or CNN or whatever mainstream social media is trying to get you to think. Read the Financial Times and WJS. That will at least put some unbiased reporting your way.
tl;dr: Please don't come here on your high horse from elsewhere in the world and lord it over us. That's not respectful either.
I used to follow USA politics, but I stopped being invested in it since it's just so disturbing as to be almost painful. So now I just laugh and gloat after occasionally watching the daily show. It's just so embarrassing, republicans are a complete freak show.
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Cones on the side of the road? Have they not heard something called a flat tire?
This really makes me angry. It's like the government is trying to make this hurt more then it has too to gather political pressure. It feels like the country is being torn in half.
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On October 08 2013 04:07 Rumpus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:03 packrat386 wrote:On October 08 2013 03:59 Rumpus wrote:On October 08 2013 03:48 farvacola wrote:
That's actually been a point of contention among left wingers for quite some time. In the eyes of many, myself included, Obamacare does not go nearly far enough and still allows for a weird coddling of private interests. It is still better than nothing though. Honestly all I see in Obamacare is this administration's version of the Iraq war. Money for friends and business interests bidding the highest to get their pockets lined. No different than Bush with the oil and construction businesses. It's a load of shit too, let it help this or hurt that, I honestly doubt no one will ever make sense of it. All I know is I lose my insurance as of January 1, 2014 which amounts to just another lie by the government. This shutdown should simply drive it to the point of complete replacement and overhaul of this horrendous pile of shit the U.S. government has become. That's quite the claim considering Iraq was a rather destructive war and this is a program that is supposed to get healthcare to millions if people. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. What I mean is at the core of it, it is purely about a business interest getting their way. In Iraq and Afghanistan we saw companies like Halliburton and oil companies make a killing (no pun intended) and now we're seeing the forced purchase of health insurance and the consolidation of Healthcare providers. It's all seemingly amounting to a couple of huge business interests getting their way. On the surface its a lot of fluff, horse-shoed in like every other terrible piece of legislation during Christmas and all under the guise of helping people. Most of America had health insurance before it. I have a lot of medical professionals, doctors, nurses, etc in my family and no one, nor anyone they know or work with likes it. At the end of the day all I see is just another law that helps a few and will probably eventually hurt many.
Hold on.
The law that will give medical insurance to millions of Americans is...hurting the many for the sake of a few?
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Whitewing, I never said "no they arent" I said what am I suppose to do, whether they are lying or not is irrelevant to the fact that now I have to pick a fight with my insurance provider.
For you and farvacola the very fact something like this is happening is absurd. First off, you'd think the ACA would bar this from happening all together, especially considering it was said no one with coverage would get affected.
Second off, that leads me to think, what is actually happening to my provider causing them to try and drop me?
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On October 08 2013 04:45 Rumpus wrote:
Whitewing, I never said "no they arent" I said what am I suppose to do, whether they are lying or not is irrelevant to the fact that now I have to pick a fight with my insurance provider.
For you and farvacola the very fact something like this is happening is absurd. First off, you'd think the ACA would bar this from happening all together, especially considering it was said no one with coverage would get affected.
Second off, that leads me to think, what is actually happening to my provider causing them to try and drop me?
Whether they are lying or not is however, relevant to whether or not you can blame it on the ACA or not. But they said the ACA wouldn't negatively impact people with coverage. That does not mean that companies can't remove your coverage for other reasons, blame it on the ACA, and then go on their merry way. That doesn't actually make the ACA responsible.
As for what's actually causing them to drop you, I'm not sure, I can think of a few reasons but I'm not entirely up to date, so I won't claim to know.
Also, people should read this: http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/10/01/15-myths-the-media-should-ignore-during-obamaca/196181
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On October 08 2013 04:45 Rumpus wrote:
Whitewing, I never said "no they arent" I said what am I suppose to do, whether they are lying or not is irrelevant to the fact that now I have to pick a fight with my insurance provider.
For you and farvacola the very fact something like this is happening is absurd. First off, you'd think the ACA would bar this from happening all together, especially considering it was said no one with coverage would get affected.
Second off, that leads me to think, what is actually happening to my provider causing them to try and drop me?
What we are telling you is that many insurance companies/employers have showed signs of wanting to scaling back employee plans for many years now, regardless of ACA implementation. It then follows that many are using the passage of the ACA as cover for their trimming back of employee benefits as it gives them a convenient scapegoat. In fact, it may turn out that the ACA will end up helping you as opposed to hurting, in that, depending on the state, you may be eligible for a subsidized, exchange provided plan that will end up cheaper than what you had previously.
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