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Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
I don't think they should be treated better. After all, we - citizens that obey the law have to pay for their living in prison. Why would anyone want to pay more?
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On July 27 2013 00:15 .SCATesteR wrote:
honestly, yes they have rights, but they gave up those rights when they committed a crime. Let them hunger strike. Why should i have pity for them when that murder or that the thief robbed or killed my friend. No...... fuck that.
let this norwegian women rot in prison!
lmao.
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On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals."
lol, not eating 8 meals = diet, not eating 9 meals = hunger strike.
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Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:43 Dagobert wrote:
lol, not eating 8 meals = diet, not eating 9 meals = hunger strike.
Skipping 8 meals is not a diet by any standards.
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On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals."
Speaking to the bolded part of this post.....
Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels.
I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating.
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On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating.
......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans.
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On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans.
Well, regardless of how you look at it, if you are buying drugs made/distributed by the cartels, you are financing people that are capable of tremendous evil.
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On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans.
What a childish and selfish attitude to have.
Drugs, throughout history, are a common denominator in the deterioration of communities world wide. While it may seem harmless for a suburban teenager in middle America to smoke a joint, the effects of that decision have consequences. Consequences that negatively affect innocent people in other countries, in some cases.
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On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans.
It's almost like you don't even have the ability to comprehend what he wrote.
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I work as a Correctional Officer. I for one can tell you we have very little ways of punishing inmates as it is. Inmates are slowly taking over a lot of prisons. I think this is just another way for them to escape any punishment for things they do inside the prison. Assault on staff is rising within the prison system in my state (Tennessee). We can't rehabilitate inmates when the prison is becoming just a "gangland" type city.
They get free place to sleep, 3 free meals a day, pay $3 for cable, a gym, good days (aka time taken off their sentence), free education, free healthcare, etc. The list goes on... They still think they deserve more! The prison is filled with rapists, child molesters, & murderers. I have no sympathy for them.
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On July 27 2013 09:47 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. Well, regardless of how you look at it, if you are buying drugs made/distributed by the cartels, you are financing people that are capable of tremendous evil.
On July 27 2013 09:47 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. What a childish and selfish attitude to have. Drugs, throughout history, are a common denominator in the deterioration of communities world wide. While it may seem harmless for a suburban teenager in middle America to smoke a joint, the effects of that decision have consequences. Consequences that negatively affect innocent people in other countries, in some cases.
On July 27 2013 09:49 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. It's almost like you don't even have the ability to comprehend what he wrote.
Seriously? Three people? Seriously?
I know people on this thread love to advocate the punishment exceeding the crime, but apparently punishment for 5 degrees of separation to a crime is the new fad.
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On July 27 2013 09:47 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. Well, regardless of how you look at it, if you are buying drugs made/distributed by the cartels, you are financing people that are capable of tremendous evil.
And if you support prohibition, you are providing a source of revenue for people that are capable of tremendous evil. There's a reason cartels aren't smuggling alcohol across the border.
Prohibition does not work... At much other then swelling prison populations, and killing people caught in the crossfire.
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On July 27 2013 10:57 Nightfall.589 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:47 TheRealArtemis wrote:On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. Well, regardless of how you look at it, if you are buying drugs made/distributed by the cartels, you are financing people that are capable of tremendous evil. And if you support prohibition, you are providing a source of revenue for people that are capable of tremendous evil. There's a reason the cartels aren't smuggling alcohol across the border. Prohibition does not work... At much other then swelling prison populations, and killing people caught in the crossfire.
Should we legalize heroin?
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On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating.
Just to let you know, but the united states is actually producing the majority of its own cannabis, since people tend to like Quality. And patrolling peoples bodies is for you something that is morally sound? I can understand if its violence related, but to patrol every persons body for drugs is morally sound? No, and it's too expensive and it doesn't work. You can't patrol your populations blood, that is fascism, just like recording all citizens communication.
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On July 27 2013 11:01 Artax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 10:57 Nightfall.589 wrote:On July 27 2013 09:47 TheRealArtemis wrote:On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:
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Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. Well, regardless of how you look at it, if you are buying drugs made/distributed by the cartels, you are financing people that are capable of tremendous evil. And if you support prohibition, you are providing a source of revenue for people that are capable of tremendous evil. There's a reason the cartels aren't smuggling alcohol across the border. Prohibition does not work... At much other then swelling prison populations, and killing people caught in the crossfire. Should we legalize heroin?
It has been suggested that legalizing heroin would decrease the heroin users paranoia and feeling of being ostracized, and with that, the users criminal connections and behaviour. It would also allow heroin users to feel more at ease of being treated for addiction.
Also, there is not much evidence or even intelligent theories that show how it being legalized would increase use, people are informed of its dangers and the vast majority of people are sufficiently intelligent to avoid the drug even if they are pot heads, coke heads or whatever. Heroin use, and the use of other exceptionally addicting and dangerous drugs are associated with self destructive behaviour, something which in society would not increase with it being legalized, and therefor its use wouldn't noticeably increase. The benefits however are great, heroin users would be much healthier, and since they wouldn't be in a position where they hide their use constantly they can easier be confronted if it is affecting their life in a negative way. Believe it or not, but people who use heroin legally, like methadone, a synthetic opoid, due to having a so called chronic addiction, are able to function normally when using methadone. Most of their destructive behaviour is linked to the drugs illegal status, and as I said previously, feeling of being ostracized and persecuted even if the person in question havn't done something morally wrong, this aspect usually leads to paranoia and increased self destructive behaviour.
I have to repeat, using an illegal drug isn't morally wrong, therefor, chasing and punishing that person will cause great psychological harm to the individual, much more than the drug in many cases.
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On July 27 2013 11:01 Artax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 10:57 Nightfall.589 wrote:On July 27 2013 09:47 TheRealArtemis wrote:On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:
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Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. Well, regardless of how you look at it, if you are buying drugs made/distributed by the cartels, you are financing people that are capable of tremendous evil. And if you support prohibition, you are providing a source of revenue for people that are capable of tremendous evil. There's a reason the cartels aren't smuggling alcohol across the border. Prohibition does not work... At much other then swelling prison populations, and killing people caught in the crossfire. Should we legalize heroin?
If it'll stop people from being stuffed into oil drums, and set on fire in Mexico... Sure.
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On July 11 2013 10:47 Blargh wrote:
And I thought prison conditions were pretty good. Shit...
Honest post:
I think solitary confinement is probably pretty counter-productive, assuming the people aren't in jail for life. How many sane people actually come out of that?
It just seems weird that so many people would be protesting solitary confinement. Surely only a few people actually get that kind of "punishment". At least that shows that people in jail have some sympathy. They can't be that bad, heh.
@superstartran
Well, what is classified as a human right? They -ARE- given food, water, and technically shelter... Being able to see others? Not sure if that qualifies as a right, heh. Though, I don't necessarily agree with it.
You do realize prisons are counter-productive. It's a shitty system designed to keep criminals inside.
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On July 27 2013 11:43 Nightfall.589 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 11:01 Artax wrote:On July 27 2013 10:57 Nightfall.589 wrote:On July 27 2013 09:47 TheRealArtemis wrote:On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:
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bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. Well, regardless of how you look at it, if you are buying drugs made/distributed by the cartels, you are financing people that are capable of tremendous evil. And if you support prohibition, you are providing a source of revenue for people that are capable of tremendous evil. There's a reason the cartels aren't smuggling alcohol across the border. Prohibition does not work... At much other then swelling prison populations, and killing people caught in the crossfire. Should we legalize heroin? If it'll stop people from being stuffed into oil drums, and set on fire in Mexico... Sure.
So I guess your answer is no then.
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On July 11 2013 12:42 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 12:38 archides wrote:On July 11 2013 11:25 Velocirapture wrote:On July 11 2013 11:20 a176 wrote:
You give them food and a place to sleep. What more do they deserve exactly? Rehabilitation. If all the correction system does is lock people in a box until they go mad then there is no justice, just revenge. You can't rehabilitate a person any more than you can make a horse drink. Proof? There is a lot of sociology supporting the hypothesis that rehabilitation affects recidivism. Proof? Show nested quote + and broken the prison rules that landed them in solitary in the first place. Proof? Show nested quote + If they want out, they'll comply with the prison programs because solitary confinement is temporary..
I don't think you understand how a human mind processes time, particularly in solitary confinement.
Rehab works, my point was that you can't force someone to rehabilitate if they don't want it, which is why it's a lofty goal. All you can do is offer the programs (which California prisons do) and let those who want the help step forward.
The other points you asked for proof on are are just matters of responsibility.
I worked for a number of years in two prisons in California. Solitary confinement is the "prison within the prison", meaning an inmate only goes there if they are determined to be too dangerous to the inmate population to stay on the mainline. It is not something that is easy to get into, and it takes approval from multiple members of the prison's administration, and they will only approve if there is a large amount of documented substantiation.
These guys earned their way into solitary, and now they are doing the typical "We're not such bad guys, so why are we here?" routine that even little kids use to garner pity.
To anyone who's been following the strike, the number of inmates participating in the hunger strike has dropped from 30,000 initially to 1,235 today. Also, inmates refusing to report to their work assignments also dropped from 2,300 initially to 42 today.
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On July 27 2013 12:12 Artax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 11:43 Nightfall.589 wrote:On July 27 2013 11:01 Artax wrote:On July 27 2013 10:57 Nightfall.589 wrote:On July 27 2013 09:47 TheRealArtemis wrote:On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:[quote] The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. Well, regardless of how you look at it, if you are buying drugs made/distributed by the cartels, you are financing people that are capable of tremendous evil. And if you support prohibition, you are providing a source of revenue for people that are capable of tremendous evil. There's a reason the cartels aren't smuggling alcohol across the border. Prohibition does not work... At much other then swelling prison populations, and killing people caught in the crossfire. Should we legalize heroin? If it'll stop people from being stuffed into oil drums, and set on fire in Mexico... Sure. So I guess your answer is no then.
I take it you don't figure that drug violence is a direct consequence of the fact that drugs are... Illegal?
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