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On July 26 2013 23:47 ThreeAcross wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 23:40 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? The countless laws that you don't know about and don't require you to know about them to be convicted, or for you to not have knowledge. Like you sleep with a girl who says she is 18 but she isn't really 18 and her parents find out and press charges. Or you violate some law that is created after you made decision relevent to it, like the guy who bought a gun and then 5 years later violated the new law against possession of the gun. Or you open a new business and you don't have the appropriate size windows or tiling or something and violate a regulation you've never heard of. Or you bring a knife somewhere and end up in an area banning knives for some reason without knowing it. Show me where someone was sent to prison for having the wrong size windows at their place of business.
You said don't break the law, they are but they will be fined instead of sent to prison, they still broke the law
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On July 26 2013 23:40 khanofmongols wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? The countless laws that you don't know about and don't require you to know about them to be convicted, or for you to not have knowledge. Like you sleep with a girl who says she is 18 but she isn't really 18 and her parents find out and press charges. Or you violate some law that is created after you made decision relevent to it, like the guy who bought a gun and then 5 years later violated the new law against possession of the gun. Or you open a new business and you don't have the appropriate size windows or tiling or something and violate a regulation you've never heard of. Or you bring a knife somewhere and end up in an area banning knives for some reason without knowing it.
Relevant to the bolded part, those are called ex post facto laws,which are explicitly banned in the US constitution.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law#United_States
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On July 28 2013 07:00 cekkmt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 23:40 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? The countless laws that you don't know about and don't require you to know about them to be convicted, or for you to not have knowledge. Like you sleep with a girl who says she is 18 but she isn't really 18 and her parents find out and press charges. Or you violate some law that is created after you made decision relevent to it, like the guy who bought a gun and then 5 years later violated the new law against possession of the gun. Or you open a new business and you don't have the appropriate size windows or tiling or something and violate a regulation you've never heard of. Or you bring a knife somewhere and end up in an area banning knives for some reason without knowing it. Relevant to the bolded part, those are called ex post facto laws,which are explicitly banned in the US constitution. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law#United_States
You can't be convicted of a crime for an action you committed before it was law but you can make a decision and conclude something is illegal then a few years later it becomes illegal. Like for instance you purchased a gun and check that it is legal and everything and feel good. Then 2 years later it becomes illegal to own a gun, you don't know and then get convicted of illegal firearm possession and go to jail. Like are you supposed to read through every law passed each year? good luck.
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On July 27 2013 09:47 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 27 2013 09:34 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 23:51 wUndertUnge wrote:On July 26 2013 23:24 Shottaz wrote:On July 26 2013 22:32 khanofmongols wrote:On July 26 2013 19:39 Joedaddy wrote:On July 26 2013 18:02 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2013 17:22 Joedaddy wrote:
I've worked in the prison system, and I have witnessed first hand the conditions prisoners live in. I can tell you, based on my experience, they are not inhumane in any way, shape, or form.
If they're unhappy with their living conditions or solitary confinement, then the solution is quite simple:
1. Stop breaking the law.
2. If you are in prison, don't break the rules and you wont be put in solitary.
Prisons are overcrowded these days to the point where you can be put in solitary even if you don't break the rules bologna~ and even if it were true, I defer to #1 (Stop breaking the law). These people are in jail for a reason. I don't want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel punished for making the world worse. The problem is that laws (at least in the US) are way too strict. It is very difficult to not break the law. Over half the people in prison are there for drug crimes which didn't actually hurt anyone else, do you really think that more than 1% of the US population are really criminals who need to be locked up? When there are over 5,000 laws just at the federal level, how are you possibly supposed to be sure to know what you can and can't do? See here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570801651620000.html Which law in America is difficult not to break? Unfortunately in NYC, there are a couple precincts who have been accussed of unlawful arrests in order to bolster up those numbers. Also, racial profiling for small amounts of marijuana possession are also increasing prison sizes. ALSO an update: Update on Hunger Strike"Inmates at prisons throughout the state are still refusing meals to protest conditions for gang members held in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay State Prison near Eureka. But the number of participants has continuously decreased since the hunger strike first started more than two weeks ago, prison officials said. On Wednesday 707 inmates at 10 California prisons were on a hunger strike, said Jeffrey Callison, a spokesman for California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. That's down from the 12,421 inmates on July 11. About 30,000 inmates refused state-issued breakfast and lunch on July 8 when rumors of the strike started circulating. But it was not recognized as an official protest until a few days later because CDCR does not consider an inmate to be on a hunger strike until he or she has missed nine consecutive meals." Speaking to the bolded part of this post..... Don't buy/sell drugs and they can't arrest you for drug possession. I will never understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. All I hear is a bunch of spoiled brats complaining because they can't do what they want. Before you start talking about how harmless marijuana is, I'd ask that you do some research on the atrocities of the drug cartels in Mexico. Apparently some people believe their right to get high is more important than the safety and well being of the innocent victims of the drug cartels. I wonder if we'll get a tax credit for the food we are paying for that they are not eating. ......................you heard it here folks. If you possess marijuana, you're guilty of killing Mexicans. What a childish and selfish attitude to have. Drugs, throughout history, are a common denominator in the deterioration of communities world wide. While it may seem harmless for a suburban teenager in middle America to smoke a joint, the effects of that decision have consequences. Consequences that negatively affect innocent people in other countries, in some cases.
Thats because it's illegal... If it was produced like alcohol it would be made here and there would be no need for the cartels to be cutting heads off.
If you genuinely think the war on drugs is working I don't even know what to say. Drugs are pretty clearly a health problem not a criminal one. If you lock up 1000 traffickers there will still be 5000 lined up to do it. If you crank up the jail time or even make it a death sentence there will still be people who are willing to risk everything for the new higher pay cheque for doing it.
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Huffington Post Headline: California Prisons Can Force-Feed Inmates On Hunger Strike, Rules Federal Judge
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/california-force-feeding_n_3784899.html
The gist: "Prison policy is to let inmates starve to death if they have signed legally binding do-not-resuscitate (DNR) requests. But state corrections officials and a federal receiver who controls inmate medical care received blanket authority from U.S. District Judge Thelton Henderson of San Francisco to feed inmates who may be in failing health."
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