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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Sounds like the best credo for combatting climate change they can come up with until COP Glasgow, too. What stupid messaging is Javid's "no going back" once restrictions are eased? Call it populist if you're charitable. Maybe that's the strategy though - if there ever was one - to cancel the climate change summit due to uncontrolled covid as it would be too embarrassing hosting it entirely unprepared? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26321 Posts
Godamnit, the contempt this government hold Norn Iron in is really something else. Managing to piss off almost everyone over here in one move, would be almost impressive. There’s limited amnesty and truth and reconciliation as a process, which has facets that people will absolutely not like, but which I think is ultimately needed to heal in such a scenario. A blanket amnesty is something else entirely, and a cessation into the malfeasance of state apparatus is something else again. Who’s the audience for this? Little Englanders who are outraged at the idea of a solider ever being prosecuted for crimes? That’s really the only politically pragmatic interpretation I can find for proposing doing this. | ||
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CluEleSs_UK
United Kingdom583 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Not doing so gives it legitimacy and, to my understanding, doesn't quite strike the conciliatory chord that is needed today. These troubles do not appear to be solved today. Letting perpetrators of malicious violence off the hook per se is not gonna Change that. The argument about money is a rather bad one. Could be said about almost anything and, to me, mostly signals that the author of the line doesn't regard it as worth pursuing and sometimes even a bit bothersome for one reason or the other. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9776 Posts
Cummings is always compelling to watch, because he's so matter of fact about how fucked up everything is in politics. Clearly that's a part of his agenda but its good to hear it from the horses mouth. He's also an expert at making people look terrible when he wants to. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 21 2021 05:51 Jockmcplop wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ygcg/bbc-news-special-dominic-cummings-the-interview Cummings is always compelling to watch, because he's so matter of fact about how fucked up everything is in politics. Clearly that's a part of his agenda but its good to hear it from the horses mouth. He's also an expert at making people look terrible when he wants to. He's as crooked as they come. That being said: he's now a seemingly never ending source of amusement, by de-cloaking Blowjob Johnson. Not that it matters since the majority of british people seemingly need help putting their pants on and tie their shoes, where they actually should be appalled and/or furious (BJ still leading polls comfortably). Alas. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26321 Posts
On July 17 2021 04:56 Artisreal wrote: Uh, prosecuting state sanctioned (tolerated might be the charitable word) executions, of civilians especially, seems a rather important thing to address? Not doing so gives it legitimacy and, to my understanding, doesn't quite strike the conciliatory chord that is needed today. These troubles do not appear to be solved today. Letting perpetrators of malicious violence off the hook per se is not gonna Change that. The argument about money is a rather bad one. Could be said about almost anything and, to me, mostly signals that the author of the line doesn't regard it as worth pursuing and sometimes even a bit bothersome for one reason or the other. ‘Doesn’t quite strike the conciliatory chord’ is quite the bloody understatement haha. I’ve never seen the parties over here so united in being pissed off, albeit for slightly divergent reasons. You can’t do truth and reconciliation without the truth part, especially when it comes to state-sanctioned collusion. Paramilitary violence is just as awful in its effects, but I do feel illegal activity sanctioned by legitimate arms of the state is that little bit more insidious. Ah well, it’s not set in stone yet so hopefully there’s an about turn. If not well, as a self-identifying Brit all my life it’ll be a little more snow gathered on the ball rolling down the hill to flip me around. Not the only soft u unionist who feels increasingly alienated from the mainland by this government and, namely the toxic base that wave their Union jacks and enthusiastically cheer Northern Ireland being bent over to appease their sensibilities. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26321 Posts
On July 21 2021 13:49 m4ini wrote: He's as crooked as they come. That being said: he's now a seemingly never ending source of amusement, by de-cloaking Blowjob Johnson. Not that it matters since the majority of british people seemingly need help putting their pants on and tie their shoes, where they actually should be appalled and/or furious (BJ still leading polls comfortably). Alas. Hey I’ll have you know I can do up my shoes, granted they are velcro ones! What a gaggle of cunts. I don’t disbelieve much of what Cummings has been spouting lately, but it’s one thing to have a crisis of conscience and another thing to turn on your former colleagues for the temerity of turfing you out for ridiculous and embarrassing conduct. I honestly cannot fathom how Boris’ ship is still polling so relatively well, it’s not a case of them having a certain ideology that I disagree with and executing it well. There’s fuck up upon fuck up, in all sorts of domains. Cronyism and corruption on a huge scale? Multiple scandals of prominent figures that are an effective middle finger to people observing the very Covid guidelines they lecture us to adhere to? It’s not like there’s a booming economy. The contrast with even Cameron/May’s party for the most part is pretty stark. The single most confusing part to me is, similar to the Trump phenomenon Johnson is somehow able to be perceived as fighting for the little guy against ‘elites’ when he and many of those around him are so, so transparently contemptuous of the little guy. If I even had a tenth of whatever dark magic that enables that my dating life would be considerably better. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9776 Posts
Politics in our country doesn't produce or promote good people, and some really deep changes rae needed. Whether or not I'd actually want any of the radical changes Cummings seems to want I don't know because he's actually pretty vague about it, but if his agenda is to shake things up then fair enough. However, some of this interview strayed into WTF territory. He claims he always knew BJ was terrible for prime minister, but he wholeheartedly promoted the idea. In fact he was balls deep in the entire thing from the very beginning. His openness about there being 'roughly 3 dozen' people behind the scenes who are responsible for choosing who the PM will be is startling, although not particularly surprising thinking about it, and may also be a bit of a boast. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26321 Posts
On July 21 2021 15:25 Jockmcplop wrote: Weirdly I fundamentally agree with Cummings about a bunch of stuff. Politics in our country doesn't produce or promote good people, and some really deep changes rae needed. Whether or not I'd actually want any of the radical changes Cummings seems to want I don't know because he's actually pretty vague about it, but if his agenda is to shake things up then fair enough. However, some of this interview strayed into WTF territory. He claims he always knew BJ was terrible for prime minister, but he wholeheartedly promoted the idea. In fact he was balls deep in the entire thing from the very beginning. His openness about there being 'roughly 3 dozen' people behind the scenes who are responsible for choosing who the PM will be is startling, although not particularly surprising thinking about it, and may also be a bit of a boast. I do actually agree with quite a lot of what he says in the abstract, but given he seemed intent on playing a role in somehow making our politics even worse I do take them with a pinch of salt. For all his faults I do respect him for his competence, despite how he chooses to wield it, which is not a compliment I can extend to much of the current government or opposition. Yeah I’m unsure why the pipeline seems to clog somewhere in translating the many inspiring and principled people in our country into even a smattering of genuinely inspiring leaders. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 21 2021 15:13 WombaT wrote: Hey I’ll have you know I can do up my shoes, granted they are velcro ones! What a gaggle of cunts. I don’t disbelieve much of what Cummings has been spouting lately, but it’s one thing to have a crisis of conscience and another thing to turn on your former colleagues for the temerity of turfing you out for ridiculous and embarrassing conduct. I honestly cannot fathom how Boris’ ship is still polling so relatively well, it’s not a case of them having a certain ideology that I disagree with and executing it well. There’s fuck up upon fuck up, in all sorts of domains. Cronyism and corruption on a huge scale? Multiple scandals of prominent figures that are an effective middle finger to people observing the very Covid guidelines they lecture us to adhere to? It’s not like there’s a booming economy. The contrast with even Cameron/May’s party for the most part is pretty stark. The single most confusing part to me is, similar to the Trump phenomenon Johnson is somehow able to be perceived as fighting for the little guy against ‘elites’ when he and many of those around him are so, so transparently contemptuous of the little guy. If I even had a tenth of whatever dark magic that enables that my dating life would be considerably better. As i said, no doubt in my mind that Cummins is balls deep in the "swamp", he's as crooked as they come as i said. That being said: "insider information" from a crook is still insider information. Doesn't make him a better person, doesn't even make him a half decent person, but nonetheless. And that perception part? That's why i'm arguing that the majority of brits are just stupid. If you can't see something this blatantly obvious, then you're just stupid. Or, worse, you do see it and couldn't care less. The excuse that "i wanted to see brexit done" doesn't hold up either anymore. At this point, brexit is While on the topic: i certainly hope the EU tells the UK to fuck off and jog on after seeing the demand for considerable re-negotiation on the NIP, while wiping tears of laughter away. For a british official to suggest an "honesty box", you can't make that shit up. Sidenote: i lived in four countries. Every country has a few politicians who're known to be "bendy" on the truth. Never in my life have i experienced as blatant bullshitting as you get to witness in the UK. You could stand in a thunder storm, cars being washed away from a flood, and westminster shitnuggets would still tell you that the suns out - straight in your face, while reciting some retarded catchphrases. It's absolutely ridiculous, genuinely. edit: to be clear, those people usually don't get voted to the highest office. Unless the name of your country starts with "United". | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9776 Posts
It marks the moment where Starmer officially became worse than Corbyn. They have no support among the public, and a huge opportunity to use a platform to gain support, and instead are focused entirely on arguing amongst themselves and petty power struggles. Starmer has zero plan, zero support and no positive message for the public. Remember when he was elected to 'bring the party together'? Get rid, now. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28747 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On October 03 2021 01:15 Liquid`Drone wrote: I really can't expect someone's legacy to be destroyed through them defending their own children. I'm not a fan of royalty in any capacity but this wouldn't leave (and hadn't left) a blip on my radar. You would defend your son if you had overwhelming evidence they participated in sex trafficking? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28747 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On October 03 2021 01:18 Mohdoo wrote: You would defend your son if you had overwhelming evidence they participated in sex trafficking? Its one thing when you're a person defending your family its another when you're defending your dynasty. Its not like shes trying to exercise some sort of royal privilege to get him off because he's a royal. Supporting your family even if they've done bad things isn't that weird of a thing with a lot of people. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On October 03 2021 01:22 Liquid`Drone wrote: Naw, but it's expected behavior from most mothers. Not saying it's good or desirable behavior, but my impression is that most mothers keep loving their children even if they are convicted serial killers. I'd say there is a distinction between loving them and dedicating resources to prevent them from being punished. 2 totally different reactions. | ||
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