EPTMore parties revealed, this time the day before Prince Phillips funeral where the queen had to sit on her own.
Boris apparently not there but still its his office. Disgraceful really.
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
More parties revealed, this time the day before Prince Phillips funeral where the queen had to sit on her own. Boris apparently not there but still its his office. Disgraceful really. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15394 Posts
On January 14 2022 07:39 Zaros wrote: https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1481741337951195136 More parties revealed, this time the day before Prince Phillips funeral where the queen had to sit on her own. Boris apparently not there but still its his office. Disgraceful really. Its wild to imagine the entitlement of going so far as to even insist on parties. Not bad enough to break protocols, but also just totally letting it rip lol | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9338 Posts
On January 14 2022 07:22 WombaT wrote: ‘it's been a fucking desaster of a shitshow’ basically covers it. You’ve seen some kind of shift, but less than you’d think. For one, you had a fair amount of broadly pro EU people who didn’t come out and vote. Their stance has only shifted to the degree that they wish they had. ‘So many substantial promises that were to positively affect the lives of people going up in smoke. Instead they got prices spiking, increased fuel poverty, local supply shortages, horrible custom delays and a foreign worker shortage.’ You’ve probably seen some movement from the moderately anti-EU folks, or those who were sitting on the fence. Because of those factors. Amongst the more hardline Brexit crew, not so much. These problems were predicted way in advance, and were dismissed as fearmongering. Now they’re actually happening they’re attributed to other factors, either Covid, or the EU being ‘unreasonable’, and not you know, consequences of leaving the EU. Ultimately you have a lot of people who are illiterate over the considerable amount of different moving parts in a pan European trade zone, basic economic principles and how logistic chains work. The UK will prosper because the UK is great was the emotional underpinning argument for many proponents for editing, and it still is today. In my eyes, Brexit has been nowhere near as bad, or as good as we were told it was going to be. Wages are up, but there are lots of minor negatives as well. Overall its kind of even, depending on who you are I guess. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
I'm sorry for not having the source but one of them said that shipping time-wise Riga was now closer to Paris than London. A shipping company in England bought a helicopter because you could make a quick dash across the channel with it and it was cost-effective rather then sending a truck over. A massive swath of the agricultural and trucking industry was reliant on east euro labor that just left and has no reason to ever return. There is no program even today to train native Britons on trucking to any degree to even cover the ageing out of truckers let alone any other attrition. In negotiations to leave the EU with some sort of trade deal they signaled that they will never have control over their own waters and due to the barriers with the EU for trade to get over the border the fishing industry is imploding, and if the english fishing fleet doesn't fill their quotas EU fleets will be able to fish more and more fish out of English waters. The tastes in fish in the English market don't line up with the fish that they do have off their coast so they can't even survive with domestic sales. One of the banner things that was going to be done was to extend bullet trains from London to manchester and Liverpool. Half of that has now been canceled. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Prince Andrew is now no longer A price or any sort of Military title. Wouldn't be surprised to see the FBI going over one day soon for extradition. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4691 Posts
Also, as far I understand he is still a prince. He just can't use HRH title in official capacity. | ||
KwarK
United States41962 Posts
On January 14 2022 15:14 Jockmcplop wrote: In my eyes, Brexit has been nowhere near as bad, or as good as we were told it was going to be. Wages are up, but there are lots of minor negatives as well. Overall its kind of even, depending on who you are I guess. London’s loss of status as the financial capital of Europe won’t be a highly visible overnight change, it’ll be a series of small decisions over decades to relocate to another more practical location. London exists because it exists. It’s not special, it’s just already there. Your bank can get high quality staff in London because they live in London because that’s where the work is. The regulatory environment in London is good because that’s where the banks have created it. The synergistic industries of insurance, shipping, tech etc. are there because that’s where their partners are. As a result of history England has just happened to inherit a city that pulls global capital in and fattens the paycheques and tax revenues of the people. But it can and will be lost if we fuck with it, and Brexit has fucked with it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23772 Posts
On January 14 2022 15:22 Sermokala wrote: I went on a bender back in late November watching a ton of euro coverage about brexit and how much of a disaster it was. I'm sorry for not having the source but one of them said that shipping time-wise Riga was now closer to Paris than London. A shipping company in England bought a helicopter because you could make a quick dash across the channel with it and it was cost-effective rather then sending a truck over. A massive swath of the agricultural and trucking industry was reliant on east euro labor that just left and has no reason to ever return. There is no program even today to train native Britons on trucking to any degree to even cover the ageing out of truckers let alone any other attrition. In negotiations to leave the EU with some sort of trade deal they signaled that they will never have control over their own waters and due to the barriers with the EU for trade to get over the border the fishing industry is imploding, and if the english fishing fleet doesn't fill their quotas EU fleets will be able to fish more and more fish out of English waters. The tastes in fish in the English market don't line up with the fish that they do have off their coast so they can't even survive with domestic sales. One of the banner things that was going to be done was to extend bullet trains from London to manchester and Liverpool. Half of that has now been canceled. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Prince Andrew is now no longer A price or any sort of Military title. Wouldn't be surprised to see the FBI going over one day soon for extradition. @Jock wages haven’t risen across the board sufficiently to outweigh the negatives, to my knowledge anyway. I mean no it’s been less of a disaster than some made out. The country was never going to collapse, but equally much of what was predicted has happened in some form, bar most if not all of the supposed benefits of the endeavour. Be it the pure economic bottom line, or other benefits that people enjoy, or would hope to enjoy, easier ability to work or study abroad etc. It’s a pretty shite set of tradeoffs through almost any lens. @Sermokala, aye broadly speaking, granted some of these are temporary. Whether through arrogance, complacency, incompetence or being hamstrung by the failures of others, or simply not having sufficient information over a long enough timeframe the logistical transition has not been smooth to say the least. A huge backlog of qualified freight drivers certainly doesn’t help. As per a podcast I listen to featuring the head of the Irish haulier Union this isn’t an unforeseen issue, people have been warning about it for years, and it’s a rather crucial cog in the overall economic machine. Companies have tried to fund certifications and make it a more attractive proposition, but the shortfall is still there. For drivers going Britain to Europe or the reverse journey, that’s often an extra day away from home in most cases. Customs checks delay things to the degree that you would exceed your legal limits on hours on the road, so you may have to stay an extra night and sleep vs previously It will stabilise given time, although some chains and businesses associated with them will be made unviable regardless of getting the rest of the customs operation in order. The fishing industry did get fucked by the government, so there is that. Granted I’m a bit sick of the proportion they held/hold in the discourse relative to how big a sector of the economy it is and how many people were/are employed there. Certainly curious to see what happens next to Prince Andrew, this seems to at least indicate that he won’t be afforded protection beyond that of a regular Joe, so the door is I presume open to cases being heard. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21345 Posts
https://www.export.org.uk/news/587462/Further-delay-to-SPS-checks-on-EU-to-GB-imports-in-2022-but-declarations-timeline-remains-the-same.htm | ||
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
On January 14 2022 18:42 Silvanel wrote: @Andrew isn't it a civil case? Why would FBI get involved? Also, as far I understand he is still a prince. He just can't use HRH title in official capacity. Its a civil case in England its a legal case in the USA. Don't forget when the FBI arrested all those FIFA officials in Switzerland. One of the massive issues with trucking in England is Cultural. Truckers are seen as professionals with the industry seen as a skilled profession. So you see truckers being welcomed in well-built and stocked rest areas and welcomed with tea and refreshments at EU warehouses. In England, its not seen as a profession and the truckers are treated measurably worse, on top of that because they're not considered professionals the visa process is much much harder. If England made trucking a profession legally and the wages increased it would solve their problem very quickly but good luck with anyone figuring that out. A lot of the issues with Brexit are ones that will need to be solved by a government willing to recognize the issues with Brexit and neither main party is willing to do that. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9338 Posts
On January 24 2022 12:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So how come the Government hasn't fallen yet? Or are they simply going to replace Boris without an election? https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1485371009939165184 Yes they will replace Boris eventually. They want to wait until near the GE though, so whoever replaces him has less time to become toxic. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21345 Posts
And Boris is what he has been the entire time, a conveniently lightning rod to take all the downsides from Brexit. as Jock said, leave him in place as long as you can to catch as much of the bad press as possible and then replace him last minute with someone 'clean'. | ||
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
On January 24 2022 12:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So how come the Government hasn't fallen yet? Or are they simply going to replace Boris without an election? https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1485371009939165184 In the UK the voters pick their local MP and the MPs pick the prime minister, so when a prime minister resigns the MPs pick a new one. If the government falls it will be on the MPs to create a new one. The only possibility of an election (that I am aware of) is if the MPs cannot agree on a new government but the Tories have a majority and will pick a new leader to govern. That is how Boris Johnson became prime minister initially, a Tory leadership vote after May's resignation. Who herself became prime minister through a Tory leadership vote after Cameron's resignation. The new prime ministers both chose to hold a general election but were not obligated to - they believed they could increase their majority by having an election. On January 24 2022 16:24 Jockmcplop wrote: Yes they will replace Boris eventually. They want to wait until near the GE though, so whoever replaces him has less time to become toxic. There is no obvious candidate for Johnson's opponents within the Tory party, and the centre-right wing of the party was mostly expunged by Johnson. Phillip Hammond, Rory Stewart, David Gauke, etc are all gone. Johnson stacked the Tories with hard-Brexiteers and stacked his cabinet with loyalists, so there is no idealogical opposed wing within the Tories and no high profile anti-Johnson Tories. The rumours are Liz Truss is campaigning for leadership but she is Johnson without the veneer of charisma. Sunak is the most high-profile name I've seen mentioned but he is a public schoolboy and former Goldman Sachs banker who wants to cut taxes and spending, and that is not a politically popular view now. So I think the Tories are in the stage of knowing they want Johnson out but worrying about a messy leadership contest because they could lose their main advantage over Labour - Labour's internal bickering. | ||
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KwarK
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I think the point about how people in all industries need to be reminded of the basics was well made and incorrectly dismissed by Hislop, in part because he doesn’t recognize the impact of that stuff of group culture. I think sexual harassment training is dumb and beneath me, I wasn’t planning on engaging in any workplace quid pro quo because I’m not especially interested in coercing people into sex. I also doubt that the people who were interested in it will suddenly realize their behavior is inappropriate on the basis of a training video. But the existence of the mandatory training does define the group cultural expectations and people do justify things as being normal. You can do anything if you’re just conforming to the basic shittiness of your group. They may not have a problem with sexual assault but they probably do have an issue with being the pervert among their peer group. MPs would benefit from more “don’t be corrupt” training even though it’s obvious because group culture matters. This is a huge thing in financial accounting (my area of expertise), corporate culture is the main thing that drives financial statement fraud. There was a fair amount of irrelevant lines of questions I think our process that we came up with and are responsible for is flawed in this highly specific way, what do you think about it Who fucking cares, he’s not involved, if you want to improve it then go ahead. what do you think the public thinks He’s not not a pollster or an expert on this, why the fuck are you inviting him to speculate on what 65m people think. Hislop is there as a journalist and an expert in bringing misconduct to light. His testimony is meant to be about what tools can be used to better enable the public to hold their politicians to account. What disclosures are needed and which rules would restore the public trust. Very little time was spent in that area. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Interesting at the moment he doesn't have enough public support to win. Theresa May had enough public support to win by lunch time. I guess he will probably win but I think it will be close. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21345 Posts
Boris is the idiot that got thrown out to take the heat from pushing through Brexit. If those in charge of the party feel there is more heat to pile on him then Boris gets to stay, if not then he gets kicked out the door and someone more 'competent' gets to come in and claim the credit for 'fixing issues'. Considering the state of the world and the current energy crisis. I expect Boris to be kept around for a bit longer. | ||
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