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Northern Ireland22206 Posts
On July 06 2022 23:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2022 23:39 KwarK wrote:On July 06 2022 22:55 Gorsameth wrote: So, Boris doesn't want to go. Any chance he will face another no confidence vote? Can they hold another vote so quickly after the previous? Would he even lose it this time? As I understand it there are two kinds of no confidence vote. You can hold a parliamentary motion of no confidence at any time, no rules (parliament can’t make rules to bind itself). If Boris loses that then Lizzie fires him. Those are very public, you can see how everyone votes, and they result in general elections. People don’t generally do those, no one has lost one of those in about 50 years. Then there’s the internal Tory party no confidence polling to remove a leader. That’s the one they did a few months ago that they don’t want to do again. Tory party rules say they can’t. It’s nothing to do with parliament, it’s party policy and done in private with secret ballots. They can always do a parliamentary motion of no confidence but they’re less likely to do that if MPs think they might lose their seats in a subsequent election. They’d much rather do it in house and convince Boris to resign. But isn't Johnson clinging on to power making them holding on to their seats even less likely? There's still what, 2 years before the next GE needs to be held? Some could think the party, even under Bojo, could rehabilitate itself in the eyes of the electorate in that time
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Wouldn't this trigger a UK Constitutional Crisis?
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The Queen would refuse the election, based on existing conventions like 1905.
She then has a tough choice whether to sack him or wait for the conservatives to change the rules next week.
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United States41962 Posts
No because it’s not a house vote of no confidence being referred to here. If they held one of those and lost then he’s out, whether he likes it or not.
22 in the context of that tweet is the Tory 1922 committee, their internal leadership mechanism which has nothing to do with Parliament. It’d be like a Labour PM refusing to quit after losing the support of the trade unionists. Poor form but nothing to do with Westminster.
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Looks like Boris is refusing to go, more cabinet ministers expected to resign. Brandon Lewis Northern Ireland Secretary has just resigned.
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Surely the Rubicon has been crossed...
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He fucking sacked Michael Gove! what the hell lol. He is not in a position to sack anyone.
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On July 07 2022 05:23 Zaros wrote: He fucking sacked Michael Gove! what the hell lol. He is not in a position to sack anyone. He is still the Prime Minister no? So he is in a position to sack members of his cabinet.
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On July 07 2022 05:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2022 05:23 Zaros wrote: He fucking sacked Michael Gove! what the hell lol. He is not in a position to sack anyone. He is still the Prime Minister no? So he is in a position to sack members of his cabinet.
Of course he is, just seems an absolutely ridiculous move when you can barely fill the government positions.
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They all put Boris there when they needed someone to catch the blame for 'getting Brexit done'. You'll have a very hard time finding any sympathy from me when they now complain that Boris behaves like Boris when it no longer suits their needs.
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On July 06 2022 05:40 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2022 05:35 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Not really sure that any potential candidates to replace Boris is any better than him to be honest. You might not like the Policies but there are plenty of people who are more competent/won't lie through their teeth constantly. I think a lot of people are quite unfair with Truss, she would be the first female chancellor if it happens so that might be something to keep in mind. His entire cabinet are brexiteers or appointed for sycophancy. There's not a single truly competent person among them. I'll take my pick with the more unknowns MP, but of course the conservatives will be unlikely to pick such an MP.
Prime Minister is a more senior role than chancellorship, and the first female Prime Minister UK is Margaret Thatcher. In any case I don't see what relevance gender has to do with selecting a future Prime Minister.
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Chief Whip is a major part of the cabinet isn't it?
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He is Welsh Secretary, saying he handed his resignation to the cheif whip.
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On July 07 2022 06:45 Zaros wrote:He is Welsh Secretary, saying he handed his resignation to the cheif whip.
Oh, I see.
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Another Record for Boris!
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Apparently its being done as we speak. Boris is resigning.
Ironically we now have someone even worse than Boris in charge of the country temporarily.
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Didn't he win a vote of confidence like a month ago? What is going on right now? Is this a next part of an attampt to oust him?
Can someone explain to me what is this about? Domestic affairs? Foreign? How is this going to impact British suport towards Ukraine?
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On July 07 2022 17:19 Silvanel wrote: Didn't he win a vote of confidence like a month ago? What is going on right now? Is this a next part of an attampt to oust him? There was another controversy since then. He put in place a chief whip, knowing the guy had sexual assault allegations against him from within the party, and then lied about it. I'm honestly not sure why that would be the straw that breaks the camel's back, but apparently it is.
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