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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
That's too much for anyone to survive surely. Its just a shame it'll just be another fucking tory taking over. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
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pmh
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Could anyone enlighten me what would happen once the government falls. Is it new elections? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On July 06 2022 03:48 pmh wrote: Collapse seems inevitable and it probably wont take long. The 2 ministers that are now leaving are to important. Could anyone enlighten me what would happen once the government falls. Is it new elections? The ruling party selects a new Prime minister, who will choose their own cabinet. Often this is followed by an early election as the new PM's mandate will be questionable until they are elected. It depends how confident they are of winning though. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On July 06 2022 03:37 Oukka wrote: Sunak is making moves now, seems like he sees himself in BoJo's seat sooner rather than later. He won't get it, he was pretty badly damaged earlier in the year with his wifes Non Dom status and the fact he held a US Green Card. If the conservative members get a vote there are at least 5 people who would beat him with the members. Also if this is true, Zahawi is shooting himself in the foot. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25397 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On July 06 2022 05:18 WombaT wrote: Liz Truss as Chancellor dear fucking lord Absolutely ridiculous. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On July 06 2022 05:35 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Not really sure that any potential candidates to replace Boris is any better than him to be honest. You might not like the Policies but there are plenty of people who are more competent/won't lie through their teeth constantly. I think a lot of people are quite unfair with Truss, she would be the first female chancellor if it happens so that might be something to keep in mind. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25397 Posts
On July 06 2022 05:40 Zaros wrote: You might not like the Policies but there are plenty of people who are more competent/won't lie through their teeth constantly. I think a lot of people are quite unfair with Truss, she would be the first female chancellor if it happens so that might be something to keep in mind. Liz Truss is godawful. Representation is of course important but I’d happily shoehorn two straight white rich blokes in in place of her and Dorries if they were even halfway sensible. The issue with this particular incarnation of Tory governance is what talent there is there in the party, what bean counting basic competence and even entry level statecraft is there is notable by its absence in positions of import. It’s a cabinet primarily formed with loyalty to a man as its sole requirement. A man who himself has little loyalty to anything and even fewer moral scruples. As any even casual viewer of any of TL’s politics threads know, to say I’m not a fan of the Tories is a rather grotesque understatement. But they can certainly do better than this. I’m not sure how it all shapes up. I did actually think Sunak showed some chops in the Covid era especially, I am capable of giving some credit. That said I’m not sure if his recent non-dom shenanigans rule him out of any running. A snap election in the next few months? Not sure if that’s likely but even if it were to happen I can’t see Labour winning even against this shower. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
Kier Starmer has new writers, it seems. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21691 Posts
Would he even lose it this time? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On July 06 2022 22:55 Gorsameth wrote: So, Boris doesn't want to go. Any chance he will face another no confidence vote? Can they hold another vote so quickly after the previous? Would he even lose it this time? I'm not sure they can without changing their rules. Its more likely that rebel MPs will start voting down legislation, forcing him to quit. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21691 Posts
On July 06 2022 23:02 Jockmcplop wrote: I could entirely see Boris just stay in power, even without any MP's willing to vote for his legislation.I'm not sure they can without changing their rules. Its more likely that rebel MPs will start voting down legislation, forcing him to quit. | ||
KwarK
United States42716 Posts
On July 06 2022 22:55 Gorsameth wrote: So, Boris doesn't want to go. Any chance he will face another no confidence vote? Can they hold another vote so quickly after the previous? Would he even lose it this time? As I understand it there are two kinds of no confidence vote. You can hold a parliamentary motion of no confidence at any time, no rules (parliament can’t make rules to bind itself). If Boris loses that then Lizzie fires him. Those are very public, you can see how everyone votes, and they result in general elections. People don’t generally do those, no one has lost one of those in about 50 years. Then there’s the internal Tory party no confidence polling to remove a leader. That’s the one they did a few months ago that they don’t want to do again. Tory party rules say they can’t. It’s nothing to do with parliament, it’s party policy and done in private with secret ballots. They can always do a parliamentary motion of no confidence but they’re less likely to do that if MPs think they might lose their seats in a subsequent election. They’d much rather do it in house and convince Boris to resign. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On July 06 2022 23:39 KwarK wrote: As I understand it there are two kinds of no confidence vote. You can hold a parliamentary motion of no confidence at any time, no rules (parliament can’t make rules to bind itself). If Boris loses that then Lizzie fires him. Those are very public, you can see how everyone votes, and they result in general elections. People don’t generally do those, no one has lost one of those in about 50 years. Then there’s the internal Tory party no confidence polling to remove a leader. That’s the one they did a few months ago that they don’t want to do again. Tory party rules say they can’t. It’s nothing to do with parliament, it’s party policy and done in private with secret ballots. They can always do a parliamentary motion of no confidence but they’re less likely to do that if MPs think they might lose their seats in a subsequent election. They’d much rather do it in house and convince Boris to resign. But isn't Johnson clinging on to power making them holding on to their seats even less likely? | ||
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