EPTAll of this just reeks publicity stunt/money grab.
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Velr
Switzerland10967 Posts
All of this just reeks publicity stunt/money grab. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On March 13 2021 18:41 Velr wrote: At least i learned that Meghan Markle is black? All of this just reeks publicity stunt/money grab. Don't think that is true. When your mother dies while you are young, because of the failings of the media and the royal institutions, I am sure it will color you quite strongly. I know my grandmother's suicide affected my dad and the family quite heavily, when it happened at his age of 18. I think one shouldn't judge their reasoning for having this interview and them leaving the royal family, without taking the history of his mother into account. That said, these kind of news (celebrity news -_-) are the most boring and unnecessary news there are. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 13 2021 19:09 Silvanel wrote: Hehe, In high school i went to class with guy of roma/gypsy descent. He had darker skin than she has was considered white. Anyway race isnt only about skin color. Initially i also thought she is considered white. Yeah I honestly thought she was white too, lol. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
They are a public institution meant to represent the country as a whole, but they're totally beholden to the lowest tier of journalist imaginable. Boris gets challenged by BBC, Guardian etc about actual policy and freely ignores it. The royals get challenged by the daily mail about whether someone is wearing a freaking hat, and break in half. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
I’m not too sure Markle’s relationship with the media and the sectors of the public that dislike her is much to do with race, but that she doesn’t play the game of being a demure princess with no thoughts or ambitions of her own, as Kate certainly did. I could see some of the royals themselves having seen a race angle though, like many here I wasn’t aware Meghan Markle was of mixed race, I could see it mattering to some people, especially a weird and dysfunctional family like the British royals. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
Is Brexit a good/bad thing? Do you feel something from it? I like to hear answer(s) from people living in UK. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
On April 09 2021 18:00 Dingodile wrote: How is brexit? I heard there were too much bureaucracy at first month for transport (food and everything go inside/outside UK). How is it now? Is Brexit a good/bad thing? Do you feel something from it? I like to hear answer(s) from people living in UK. Makes no difference to me right now because of the pandemic/lockdowns I hear there's big problems for things like seafood exporting where businesses might go under. Its going to be hard to differentiate the economic effects from those of the lockdown for a while I think unless you talk to someone in an industry that has been heavily brexited. There is some suggestion that it has helped us roll the vaccine out faster, but I don't know how much of that is just propaganda. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
As Jock said though there’s a large Covid shadow over everything too so it’s difficult to draw too many conclusive conclusions about Brexit with that in the background. Plus it’s negatives or positives I imagine will be felt more in the long and medium term anyway. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12571 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/07/hartlepool-byelection-result-labour-starmer-conservatives | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
On May 07 2021 20:12 Nebuchad wrote: Very solid defeat for Keir Starmer at Hartlepool, I feel pretty good about it. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/07/hartlepool-byelection-result-labour-starmer-conservatives That'll be because you don't have to live under the tories! Starmer's not going anywhere, and unless he and the left can learn to work together, the tories aren't going anywhere for a long, long time. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12571 Posts
On May 07 2021 20:24 Jockmcplop wrote: That'll be because you don't have to live under the tories! Starmer's not going anywhere, and unless he and the left can learn to work together, the tories aren't going anywhere for a long, long time. Nah, you would have had to live under the tories anyway, and they are indeed not going anywhere for a long, long time. At least now Starmer looks bad which is a positive. Check out this thread! | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
On May 07 2021 20:32 Nebuchad wrote: Nah, you would have had to live under the tories anyway, and they are indeed not going anywhere for a long, long time. At least now Starmer looks bad which is a positive. Check out this thread! https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1390548939057864705 I get what you are saying, but its not a positive to me, given that the far left has absolutely zero chance of ever being elected in my country, I'd rather have Starmer than the tories, and at this point its a serious issue for me. My life will continue to be incredibly shitty with the promise of being even shittier unless the left and centre of Labour start working together. So overall, this result is depressing, and horrible, and its partly the fault of the left, but mostly Starmer. I hope he realizes that he needs us to win, and soon, and I hope enough leftists can swallow their bullshit to campaign for him. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12571 Posts
On May 07 2021 20:44 Jockmcplop wrote: I get what you are saying, but its not a positive to me, given that the far left has absolutely zero chance of ever being elected in my country, I'd rather have Starmer than the tories, and at this point its a serious issue for me. My life will continue to be incredibly shitty with the promise of being even shittier unless the left and centre of Labour start working together. So overall, this result is depressing, and horrible, and its partly the fault of the left, but mostly Starmer. I hope he realizes that he needs us to win, and soon, and I hope enough leftists can swallow their bullshit to campaign for him. I would argue that it's reasonable not to stand behind the people who willingly threw their own campaign because as representatives of the Labour right they thought a Tory victory was better than a Corbyn victory. I won't tell you that you shouldn't ally with them, you are free to do as you please and it's all strategy anyway I know you have good intentions, but I also won't be criticizing the people who refuse to let this go. Definitely would be on their side if I was english. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On May 07 2021 20:44 Jockmcplop wrote: I get what you are saying, but its not a positive to me, given that the far left has absolutely zero chance of ever being elected in my country, I'd rather have Starmer than the tories, and at this point its a serious issue for me. My life will continue to be incredibly shitty with the promise of being even shittier unless the left and centre of Labour start working together. So overall, this result is depressing, and horrible, and its partly the fault of the left, but mostly Starmer. I hope he realizes that he needs us to win, and soon, and I hope enough leftists can swallow their bullshit to campaign for him. Not just the left after him though, Blairite Lord Adonis has come out calling for him to quit. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
It’s rare the left get a shot these days, I am a tad biased politically in this particular instance, but the left earned their shot and should have been supported in pushing for it. Pragmatically speaking if you think Corbyn is unelectable, let’s see how he does for a cycle. Instead it’s infighting and fragmenting the party for a cycle, tanking whatever slim shot was there, and now the centre want the left to play ball? Most historic Labour voters/folks of the left that I know would have taken a shift back to the centre if the party had pulled properly for Corbyn and they’d failed. Their irritation and lack of enthusiasm now, even with the hatred of the Tories is the party had a platform that better reflected them for once, and the centre did much to kill that momentum. Some will be idealistic and lacking in a desire to compromise sure, but it’s easier to disavow people of the notion when their platform is given a proper chance and fails vs the perception that it was tanked by ostensible allies: Not that it’s something I gain any pleasure from, I’d like the Tories toppled for the same reason. Although frankly I’m not sure how because nothing seems to actually stick to them in this era. Absolutely nothing. I mean Brexit’s negative consequences are now a factor for everyone to see and still, nada. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
How Tories don't suffer from the same problem is very confusing to me, as they also seem to have such a wide range of people under the umbrella, seemingly only connected by the idea that "let's at least not let Labour to gain power". I'm v curious how the Scottish election ends up. Overall majority for SNP is very possible, but they could also be a few seats short making it easier for London to ignore the referendum calls. Also if there is a referendum it'll be interesting to see what is the net effect of Brexit. Are people too traumatised by the tedious and unsatisfactory negotiations or is the prospect of leaving brexitannia to rejoin EU the trumping effect? | ||
KwarK
United States44379 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
I live in rural wales, in a labour dominated region. Not a single person i've talked to here voted for Corbyn - which includes my in laws, Labour voters for almost 50 years. It's not surprising that the ogres come back out of the woods to gloat now though, i mean it's entirely Keir Starmers fault that in almost(!) an entire year he didn't get Labour back to its old glory, after the 2019 disaster. I mean, who else would one blame, considering Corbyn and his policies (and in fact, the lack thereof) can't be faulted. I do agree with one thing though. He clearly hasn't done enough to weed out the delusionals in the Labour party. You see, the problem with living in an echo chamber, is that you tend to miss realities. The reality is, people didn't support Corbyn nor his policies. Infighting did jack shit in regards to the disaster - Tories have been infighting ever since 2016, to the point where they torpedoed a prime minister from their own ranks. So fuck off with "it's the thems that are to blame" - it's not. In fact, you could do the smart thing and just check approval ratings for Corbyn himself. 2017: average approval 43%, disapproval 46% 2018: average approval 30%, disapproval 55%. 2019: average approval 22%, disapproval 64%. His 2019 numbers get topped by Farage. How anyone can look at these numbers and go "well yeah, Corbyn was the greatest thing that happened to Labour since sliced bread" is absolutely beyond me. It's not a question of whether or not he's electable, there's zero debate. He wasn't. And it's clear as day. The only question is why nobody in Labour gave a shit about his approval ratings and thought they could win with someone at the helm that's basically unilaterally disliked - and got more and more disliked the longer he was at the helm. It was never good, but is has only gotten worse, rapidly. Even Theresa May didn't poll as badly. And she was literally hounded out by her own party. Understand that Corbyn isn't unilaterally seen as the missed chance for a saviour. Understand that it's quite the opposite. Then you'll understand why 2019 happened, and why the damage isn't immediately repairable - though, i certainly do think that KS should actually put the hammer down. I don't understand why anything left of centre in the UK isn't able to take a stance for his policies. edit: as a sidenote, people who argue that Corbyn can't be blamed for losing Hartlepool, that that's entirely on Starmer, you might want to check the 2019 results. The ONLY reason Labour held Hartlepool in 2019 is that the Brexit Party ran against the tories. In 2019, labour had 37% (-15%) of the vote, Tories 29% (-5%) and the Brexit Party 26% (+26%). Again. The only reason Labour didn't lose Hartlepool in 2019 already is simply that the vote was split between Tories and Brexit Party. Not enough? In 2015, Labour lost 7% too. To the UKIP, which won 28%. Guess where those votes went now, with neither party running. Hint: not gonna be Labour. To blame Starmer for losing Hartlepool, when in reality it was close to lost already in 2015, and definitely lost in 2019 is funny at best. | ||
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