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zatic
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On February 04 2019 00:27 zatic wrote: It's a clone of the jon steward tonight show. And it's terrible, but that's just Germany being Germany. How is it terrible in comparison? Or do you think Last Week Tonight is terrible too? I did see it primarily as comedy rather than actual news (there wasn't much commentary in that segment), but I also figured whatever it's central theme for that episode was it probably wasn't Brexit, and something to do with Germany. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
It is quite formulaic in a sense that the segments are repetitive but with differing topics. It's satire and comedy but unfortunately it oftentimes just has to report life a and that's farce enough. It certainly won't leave you dumber than you were beforehand. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On February 04 2019 01:54 iamthedave wrote: How is it terrible in comparison? Or do you think Last Week Tonight is terrible too? I did see it primarily as comedy rather than actual news (there wasn't much commentary in that segment), but I also figured whatever it's central theme for that episode was it probably wasn't Brexit, and something to do with Germany. It's not terrible. And it's not "germany being germany" either. On the other hand: It's a clone of the jon steward tonight show. And it's terrible, but that's just Germany being Germany. This is very german. And yeah, it's obviously satire. It's a satire show, and this segment was indeed about Brexit, while taking shots at german stuff. And nothing in there was misrepresented either. This show btw won the golden camera (basically a shittier version of the emmy) as best satire show as well. The segment was good. Btw, clone of Jon Stewart show is obviously misrepresenting the wikipedia article zatic got it from. It's not. Conceptually, as in, being a satire show and having a presenter behind a desk, sure. I'm not sure where that is even coming from, considering that the ZDF Heute Show (the show in question) launched five years before Last Week Tonight (Heute Show = 2009, Last Week Tonight = 2014). And no, the show did indeed not change, he was sitting behind a desk commenting satirical on recent news in 2011 already (probably since 2009 but cba to google more thoroughly, found a segment from 2011, that's good enough). He's also not doing it himself or with star guests, that reporter for example is in the show since episode one. If anything, this is conceptually a clone of a segment of another german show that doesn't exist anymore, RTL Samstag Nacht (and their News segment). Last but not least, an (i find) interesting fact, that commentator was/is indeed one of the biggest german football commentators/moderators, including pre- and postgame analysis' in the WC 2014. | ||
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zatic
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KwarK
United States43563 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28738 Posts
guess it's understandable that someone who hasnt watched both could confuse john oliver and jon stewart though | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
I was pointing out it's a clone of Jon Stewards show, not of last week tonight. It's terrible in the way German TV is terrible. Yes, I'm very German for pointing that out. As is getting defensive about the sorry quality of German entertainment though You didn't just point out "jon stewards show", you specifically said "jon steward tonight show" - and the only show with "tonight" is Last Week Tonight. Jon Stewarts show is, as pointed out, the Daily Show. In fact, i'm not the only one getting it wrong because of the "tonight" part, in case you haven't noticed. In regards to "sorry quality of german entertainment", do you have some empirical data on that, or do we just take your word that the objectively good show is arse because you don't like it? When you point it out, please don't go down the "Ich bin ein Star" route, nobody gives a shit about that. I'd like some data points as to why an award winning german show is terrible because.. it's german, or something. And no, you're very german in the sense that germans generally are extremely negative to basically everything that they don't like. It's not "i don't like this show" or "i don't like Welke" - it's "i don't like it, must be because it's shit otherwise i'd like it". Which, again, feel free to do - i'll continue pointing out that you're wrong. While you're searching for the data on this show objectively being terrible, you could also point out the greatest shows ever, just to get a sense as to what the problem here is. Again, pointing to Big Brother and other Volksverdummungsfernsehen doesn't count. m4ini the daily show with jon stewart started in 1999. guess it's understandable that someone who hasnt watched both could confuse john oliver and jon stewart though I indeed only read "jon" and "tonight show". Yeah, should've read more closely and paid attention to the fact that it doesn't add up, but i wasn't the only one getting thrown for a loop there. Btw, i do/did watch both, also Craig Ferguson (imho the funniest of them all, or maybe i find the scottish accent charming). If you want to watch some pieces, watch the ones with Kristen Bell as guest. The Germans getting overly defensive is fine, basically anything but overly aggressive is good with me. lol, with what even. Germany has maybe seven Tanks operational (eight if you count the one that has a knot in the barrel), half a helicopter, three jets and a few Jeeps. Our rifles don't shoot straight (if at all, since just a tiny bit of dust/sand prevents you from chambering a round), and for peace negotiations we can't get politicians anywhere since the government-jet (Airhorse 404) basically works on a french schedule. I really don't think "overly aggressive" is ever gonna happen again, at least not in our or your kids lifetime. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18213 Posts
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Eteoneus
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
It's a hole that Theresa may has dug herself into. By declaring that "brexit means brexit" and that means that UK will leave the Customs Union, she set up the expectation of a hard border between Ireland and Northen Ireland. Problem is that there is no guarantee that Northern Ireland wouldn't ignite into sectarian violence again and possible secede because of this. And so to sell a custom union to brexiteers which she steered and emboldemed them towards leaving the custom union, she "negotiated" a "transition period" where the UK is in a customs union in all but in name, fooling nobody and annoying everybody. Shhh, you can imagine her to say, it's not a customs union, it's a backstop. A transition period. A withdrawal agreement. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Or the classic: On February 01 2019 03:37 Plansix wrote: I’m no expert, but I’ve always heard that the historical Tory stance is “Who fucking cares what Ireland wants?” Because that seems to be their plan right now. + Show Spoiler + Not to say that Labor has been any better on the subject historically. | ||
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Eteoneus
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pmh
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Ireland checking all the goods and people that are not from northern Ireland,while checking nothing that goes out. Then the problem is with the britisch,if they want to go check all the goods and people from Ireland at the border or let everything come in. They will probably put up a border as well then,as I cant see them accepting a 1 way border. This does not seem appealing to me for England either,they will take most of the blame for the border I think. And rightfully so,because it more or less is a direct consequence of the brexit. | ||
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pmh
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The eu could just leave the borders open after a hard brexit,after all whats the worst that can happen? Products that don't meet eu standards and regulations could be dealt with once they end up in the stores in Ireland. Track it back and prosecute every party involved. And exporting those goods to Ireland to then distribute further in the eu? its possible but its a bit far fetched as it is quiet a detour and could still be dealt with once in the stores. And the people coming from England,well that most likely wont be illegal immigrants. England is the end destination for most of them. So eu could just leave the border open after a hard brexit and it would not be that big of a deal. England on the other hand is in a different position in this scenario,they fear the immigrants and they will want to put up a border I think. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On February 06 2019 03:01 pmh wrote: England is in a much more difficult position then the eu here. The eu could just leave the borders open after a hard brexit,after all whats the worst that can happen? Products that don't meet eu standards and regulations could be dealt with once they end up in the stores in Ireland. Track it back and prosecute every party involved. And exporting those goods to Ireland to then distribute further in the eu? its possible but its a bit far fetched as it is quiet a detour and could still be dealt with once in the stores. And the people coming from England,well that most likely wont be illegal immigrants. England is the end destination for most of them. So eu could just leave the border open after a hard brexit and it would not be that big of a deal. England on the other hand is in a different position in this scenario,they fear the immigrants and they will want to put up a border I think. The UK doesnt care about the border and is happy to leave it open, its the EU who keep pushing the border unless we agree to at least Northern Ireland matching EU rules | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22085 Posts
On February 06 2019 03:37 Zaros wrote: Yeah, damn the EU for caring about a giant hole in their border, who could have ever predicted such a thing...The UK doesnt care about the border and is happy to leave it open, its the EU who keep pushing the border unless we agree to at least Northern Ireland matching EU rules Why bother closing your windows when you leave the house, you trust your neighbour right? At no point have I seen any hint from parliament about what the border should look like. Just whining about the backstop without a hint of irony that the backstop only exists because there is no clue about what the border will look like. | ||
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Eteoneus
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