UK Politics Mega-thread - Page 474

On February 01 2019 19:48 xM(Z wrote:
like this dude, look at him, morals and ethics; EU vs the big bad wolf, EU is right and Trump is wrong, fuck yea righteousness!. are you 3 dude?.

can you at least try and understand what, in very practical terms, an alliance with Iran would mean for anyone involved?. fuck Trump and losing the WHOLE US market, if you side with Iran you'll have to deal with Israel and Israel has been fucking whole countries from Eastern Africa to India and from Middle East to Ukraine, France/UK.
which middle level business would even touch that shit 'cause i guarantee you the big ones won't jump into this without serious military backing(defending strategic interests abroad).

i mean, taking down british MP's seems to be a joke for Israelis https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/12/israeli-official-plotted-take-down-british-mps-resigns-shai-masot but sure, go on and fuck with the israelis because it's the right thing to do.

Edit: hell, this whole brexit, no brexit, hard brexit shit could be caused by squabbles between pro-Israel and pro-Arab factions(since EU wants to boycott israeli goods).

On February 02 2019 04:48 Artisreal wrote:
brexit was a test run for the US election.

On February 02 2019 10:16 iamthedave wrote:
A reminder that Theresa May was well aware of the Ireland problem. Quote from during the referendum campaign: https://streamable.com/6o723

On February 02 2019 02:23 Acrofales wrote:

What on earth are you on about? Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

This is not some great zionist conspiracy.

What’s been lost in the US coverage of this “data analytics” firm is the understanding of where the firm came from: deep within the military-industrial complex. A weird British corner of it populated, as the military establishment in Britain is, by old-school Tories. Geoffrey Pattie, a former parliamentary under-secretary of state for defence procurement and director of Marconi Defence Systems, used to be on the board, and Lord Marland, David Cameron’s pro-Brexit former trade envoy, a shareholder.

Steve Tatham was the head of psychological operations for British forces in Afghanistan. The Observer has seen letters endorsing him from the UK Ministry of Defence, the Foreign Office and Nato.

In May 2017 the Observer reported that AggregateIQ had an intellectual property license agreement with SCL Elections, the parent company of Cambridge Analytica. AIQ created and managed the Ripon platform used by Cambridge Analytica and AIQ was hired as a contractor by Vote Leave in the UK.

No less than six cabinet ministers attended Davos’ World EconomicTrade Forum, resulting in Britain’s first potential post-Brexit trade deal with Israel and, an announcement by the foreign secretary that £2.5 million would be pledged to support the UN peace process in Yemen, followed a day later by, rather embarrassingly, a swanky “arms dealers’ dinner” in London’s Park Lane with many on the guest list enabling the Saudi-led bombardment of Yemen.
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The Government has identified arms sales as a priority for the brave new world post-Brexit, and a global Britain, or arguably a more desperate Britain, looks set to invest in this sector. Europe accounts for few military contracts so there is little downside to the changing market, according to the UK’s trade group for arms companies, euphemistically called the Aerospace, Defence, Security and Space association (ADS).
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Theresa May set up five business councils in November 2018 in order for companies to advise her on “post-Brexit opportunities”. The chair of BAE systems, Roger Carr, along with Rolls- Royce chair Ian Davis, co-lead the industrial, infrastructure, and manufacturing council, which is to meet three times a year.

Meanwhile, ADS and its member companies, which include Airbus, missiles manufacturer MBDA and G4S, among others, invited MPs to meet them in parliament on 9 January, to plead the business case for voting for Theresa May’s ultimately doomed EU withdrawal deal, which was rejected on 15 January.
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At the DSEI arms fair in London, the largest of its kind in the world, that year, international trade secretary and staunch Brexit supporter, Liam Fox, insisted in his keynote speech that Britain had measures in place to allow “ethical defence exports”, worth £5.9 billion a year to the British economy.

Fast forward 16 months and Fox has just secured Britain’s first post-Brexit “in principle” trade deal with Israel while at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. The announcement on 24 January comes after a mega year of trade between the two countries. Plans are afoot for trade meetings in London with Israeli government ministers in the coming months.

The UK’s increasingly closer ties with Israel include rising levels of arms sales. In 2017, the government issued a record £221 million worth of weapons licenses to British defence companies exporting missiles, sniper rifles and other equipment to the regime. These deals flew in the face of international conventions condemning Israel’s human rights violations against its Palestinian population and in the West Bank and Gaza
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On 23 January, the cream of Britain’s arm traders attended an annual black tie dinner at Grosvenor House Hotel in London. The ADS drinks reception and three-course dinner brought MPs, military figures and arms dealers together, with tickets costing £225 for members and £450 for non-members.

Government minister for trade and export promotion Rona Fairhead, and former Labour Home Secretary, Alan Johnson, spoke at the event, along with BAE Systems chief executive Charles Woodburn. The multinational company was also one of the sponsors of the event.

Rona Fairhead works with Liam Fox on the UK’s export strategy, and has spoken of her ambition to increase UK exports from 30 percent of GDP to 35 percent.

Alan Johnson, meanwhile, was quoted on the ADS event web page, which has since been taken down, saying that during his after-dinner speech, he would: “reflect on my time in Parliament, drawing parallels with programmes such as ‘Yes Minister and “The thick of it”.

On February 02 2019 19:38 Eteoneus wrote:
May is a remainer. Of course she was aware of the problems. May is a very disturbing individual. Just look at the Windrush scandal. The also had no problems making a deal with the DUP. The DUP are completely crazy. DUP supported Brexit, even though most in NI wanted to remain. And now they are also blocking any form of deal, because they now realize that the UK leaving the EU is identical to NI or Scotland leaving the UK. They are only in London to keep NI in the UK, even if it means war.

May is now basically admitting she will destroy the UK to save the Tory party from itself. And if the UK had had the power, they would have destroyed the EU to save the Tory party from itself. There is a majority for a solution because Corbyn is also a leaver. May and Corbyn can just make a deal and solve all of this. But that will mean that May abandons the ERG-part and the DUP. She will never solve this problem with Labours help. Never. Why? Because the ERG promised to try to split the party if the tries. And she feels a lot of loyalty towards the Tory party.

You can also wonder why MPs are so scared to just back remain. Besides a few ERG crazies, they know this is the best for the country. It seems they are very afraid of an even more far right party split off from the Tory party and where that will lead.

Furthermore, May accepting the motion towards the Brady amendment is crazy. It is her Backstop. She wanted the backstop. She demanded this concession from the EU and the EU tried to be flexible because the EU at this point is honestly worried the UK will set itself on fire. So they gave May the backstop. So May tries to pass it in her parliament and it does not pass. So then the parliament rejects May's backstop. And she immediately accepts this amendment to get rid of the backstop. And what does she now want? Alternative solutions. But the backstop is a backstop; it is there in a name. It already only goes in effect if there are no alternative solutions. So nothing needs to be changed about her deal. It is not even theoretically possible to make a concession on the backstop. So this is why the EU is so puzzled.

How can all this still be only about Tory internal politics? It should have stopped at the night of the referendum. We are now 2.5 years later.


lol the guy above me. Typical case of anti-semitism. While I am very critical of Israel, this looks so terrible. What about George Soros? Is that a typical view on this site? If so, I am probably out.

On February 03 2019 05:02 Gorsameth wrote:
I don't get it, a government department is getting ready for Brexit and have put up a 24/7 center to help people?
And this is bad somehow?

On February 03 2019 05:09 Jockmcplop wrote:


Nothing in that would concern you?
The fact that this government department appears underfunded and unready, and are warning that the effects of no deal Brexit will multiply exponentially and that the government has no way of forseeing all the problems that could occur?

On February 03 2019 05:29 Gorsameth wrote:
Nothing in that concerns me when viewed from beyond the usual 'Brexit is horrible'. No.
Why does it appear underfunded? Because the Department of transportation is not ready for its crisis center to be up 24/7 for months? It never has to.
No deal is horrible, this is not new. Everyone has been saying it and everyone is preparing for it anyway because parliament is stupid. The DfT has no say in what parliament does, don't see why I should blame them for no deal being horrible.
And ofcourse they cant forsee all the problem that will occur. No one knows all the problems that can occur because no one has done something this stupid before. Heck my own government (Dutch) is current having a fight between the Cabinet and Parliament because the Cabinet wants to be able to invoke emergency powers to react to anything unforseen that comes up as a result of a no deal scenario.

Its a department preparing to deal with an incoming crisis it had no hand in causing.