EPTUK Politics Mega-thread - Page 428
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I voted to stay in the EU, but i understand the country voted to come out, so it should be more out than in on any terms. Yet it is the complete opposite it seems. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On July 09 2018 23:24 ahswtini wrote: i can't even imagine why anyone would want to be at the head of the ship in this mess It seems to me that we could make Brexit work, but there's been a complete lack of organization, planning and leadership. Although it seems like a poisoned chalice its also an opportunity for the right group of people to do something good with lasting benefits. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
If England win the world cup would that mean Southgate would make a better negotiator of Europe than our Brexit ministers?. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22487 Posts
On July 09 2018 23:28 Jockmcplop wrote: Where were the pro-Brexit politicans after the vote? Why is the Remain camp in charge of the government rather then the Leave camp?It seems to me that we could make Brexit work, but there's been a complete lack of organization, planning and leadership. Although it seems like a poisoned chalice its also an opportunity for the right group of people to do something good with lasting benefits. To my outside view it looks like they knew what they sowed and didn't want to be in charge when it came time to reap. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On July 09 2018 23:40 Gorsameth wrote: Where were the pro-Brexit politicans after the vote? Why is the Remain camp in charge of the government rather then the Leave camp? To my outside view it looks like they knew what they sowed and didn't want to be in charge when it came time to reap. Some of the tories wanted Brexit for all the wrong reasons, trying to appeal to their anti-immigration base was a part of it. Legal independence and parliamentary sovereignty are perfectly good and sufficient reasons to leave, but there doesn't seem to have been any thought put into how we achieve this. They've done it all wrong from the beginning, but it doesn't mean its a lost cause. I can't see who could possibly lead us through the process to a good deal though. All of the competent (?) politicians in the UK are pro-remain and support the idea of a closer political relationship with the EU. There must be a positive way forward, though, surely. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On July 09 2018 23:40 Gorsameth wrote: Where were the pro-Brexit politicans after the vote? Why is the Remain camp in charge of the government rather then the Leave camp? To my outside view it looks like they knew what they sowed and didn't want to be in charge when it came time to reap. All the conservatives are pro-Brexit post 2017 election - this is part of the problem created by the constitutional ambiguity that referendums introduce in British parliamentary democracy. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Also, i was under the impression the reason Boris and David walked was because the deal propsoed was awful. Theresa May right now is saying the deal on the table they agreed in the meeting is; We take back our Borders, Money & Laws and do not stay in the Customs Union... If that is the case it is a hard Brexit so why is Boris and David leaving? What and who is lying? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On July 09 2018 23:40 Gorsameth wrote: Where were the pro-Brexit politicans after the vote? Why is the Remain camp in charge of the government rather then the Leave camp? To my outside view it looks like they knew what they sowed and didn't want to be in charge when it came time to reap. well cameron resigned in the wake of the referendum result, paving the way for a tory leadership contest. michael gove, a prominent leaver, knifed boris johnson in the back, and then subsequently lost the contest. so two of the prominent leavers were taken out of the running for prime minister immediately after the referendum | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On July 09 2018 23:55 Pandemona wrote: That tweet he did is just fueling the fire of Brexiters as well jesus christ he should be fined for that lol. Also, i was under the impression the reason Boris and David walked was because the deal propsoed was awful. Theresa May right now is saying the deal on the table they agreed in the meeting is; We take back our Borders, Money & Laws and do not stay in the Customs Union... If that is the case it is a hard Brexit so why is Boris and David leaving? What and who is lying? The deal means that we would have a new trade agreement with the EU, a customs union lite, whereby we wouldn't have control of our laws at all. We would be bound by EU law or lose the trade deal. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On July 09 2018 23:58 Pandemona wrote: I thought Gove didn't plan to ever be in the running to be leader, stabbed Boris in the back to then just fade away and let the debate happen without him and Boris in the frame at all? Gove holds ALL the power in the party from what i know? Gove mistakenly fell for the Boris hype and then realised what Boris is actually like too late. Sadly it killed the brexiteer government and his own career now this resignation spree puts a lot of pressure on him. If I was him I'd stay he backed the deal already defended it on Marr if the brexiteers think he is a sell out already not much to gain from resigning. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Here's hoping nothing drastic happens then and the EU agree this deal so we can just move on... | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I guess the deal will hinge on getting it through parliment but it looks good enough that most of labour will agree to it. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On July 10 2018 00:40 Pandemona wrote: I don't think that is going to happen now, what i read from what they want to do in terms of deal it looks fine to most. I guess the deal will hinge on getting it through parliment but it looks good enough that most of labour will agree to it. Doesn't matter about labour it's about the back bench conservatives kicking off and triggering a leadership contest | ||
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