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bardtown
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Shield
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Dangermousecatdog
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bardtown
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On May 04 2017 04:00 RvB wrote: Anyway you guys are reading way too much into this. The tough language from both the EU and May is posturing before the negotiations. At the end of the day it's Barnier and his British counterpart doing the actual negotiations. I thought so 2-3 phases of the negotiations ago. At this point it's clear that the consensus favors a hardliner position from the EU so we might just get a "buy-in to negotiations" deal after all. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14157 Posts
On May 04 2017 08:08 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Again, who is this "we" you speak of? Stop pretending to be British already. Thats not how he used "we". He used it clearly in the context of the world is going to get that kind of negotiation response to the british. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 04 2017 08:15 Sermokala wrote: Thats not how he used "we". He used it clearly in the context of the world is going to get that kind of negotiation response to the british. I think you're giving him an excuse even if your explanation makes sense. It's not the first time he's said "we" here. In my opinion, he's like those trolls who try to insert "we" to pretend he is one of many who are against the EU. While 17 million people are many (the people who voted for Brexit?), he doesn't have the right to vote so he cannot speak on their behalf. I also don't have the right to vote, but I don't use "we" here unless it's clear it cannot be easily misunderstood. If I were him, I'd say "we (the public) could/will witness buy-in to negotiations" to address several people's criticism about his "we" use. | ||
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bardtown
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Shield
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On topic: May fires back as she should to the absurdity. Maybe the negotiators are just doing a tasteless opening play. She's gotta show strength here to show her negotiators that she won't be bullied. Britain’s negotiating position in Europe has been misrepresented in the continental press. The classier approach compared to "the continental press is fake news." | ||
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Sermokala
United States14157 Posts
On May 04 2017 08:38 Shield wrote: I think you're giving him an excuse even if your explanation makes sense. It's not the first time he's said "we" here. In my opinion, he's like those trolls who try to insert "we" to pretend he is one of many who are against the EU. While 17 million people are many (the people who voted for Brexit?), he doesn't have the right to vote so he cannot speak on their behalf. I also don't have the right to vote, but I don't use "we" here unless it's clear it cannot be easily misunderstood. While thats a fair point its not fair to jump to an causation of malice based on any possible misunderstanding. The last thing we need is a rehash of "the Ukraine". I think its a fair argument that LL should dedicate himself to a country tag with how much hes in international threads and the Us politics thread. We'd be at least the same hostile to any euros that didn't tag themselves because they're a transplant from one nation to another due to the easy movement of labor for better working pay or conditions. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6294 Posts
On May 04 2017 07:22 LegalLord wrote: I thought so 2-3 phases of the negotiations ago. At this point it's clear that the consensus favors a hardliner position from the EU so we might just get a "buy-in to negotiations" deal after all. There's nothing hardline about a Brexit bill. Settling assets and liabilities is how every divorce works. Or do you think that in the case of Scotland leaving the UK they wouldn't be taking part of the national debt with them? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 04 2017 14:33 RvB wrote: There's nothing hardline about a Brexit bill. Settling assets and liabilities is how every divorce works. Or do you think that in the case of Scotland leaving the UK they wouldn't be taking part of the national debt with them? The marriage contract in this case is very much different than the EU treaty. Both sides don't just divide their stuff and leave, the island/continent stays and the trade profit motive remains. I'm a little surprised you think Scotland would get stuck with any kind of bill amounting to "a part of the national debt," for that matter. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5838 Posts
On May 04 2017 15:29 Danglars wrote: The marriage contract in this case is very much different than the EU treaty. Both sides don't just divide their stuff and leave, the island/continent stays and the trade profit motive remains. I'm a little surprised you think Scotland would get stuck with any kind of bill amounting to "a part of the national debt," for that matter. So it's like divorce into friends with benefits? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18372 Posts
On May 04 2017 08:50 Sermokala wrote: While thats a fair point its not fair to jump to an causation of malice based on any possible misunderstanding. The last thing we need is a rehash of "the Ukraine". I think its a fair argument that LL should dedicate himself to a country tag with how much hes in international threads and the Us politics thread. We'd be at least the same hostile to any euros that didn't tag themselves because they're a transplant from one nation to another due to the easy movement of labor for better working pay or conditions. So in your esteemed opinion I need to change my tag? Should it be Netherlands, or South Africa? Or is it just the lack of commitment to any specific tag? In which case my changing tags when I move countries must really irk you. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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Zaros
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On April 28 2017 22:24 KwarK wrote: If you think London only became a financial hub after joining the EU then you've lost the fucking plot mate. London became a financial hub around the time it became the centre of a global empire built on trade and finance. Finance attracts more finance. The institutions, infrastructure, legal framework and so forth creates a feedback loop where finance comes to London because London can offer them what they need and London has what they need because finance comes to London. The EU didn't make London London, the last four hundred years of an English dominated globe did. It's not something you can simply create, any more than you could make an ecosystem top down. It's something that grows over time. first of all, where the hell did you get that 400 years of dominance from? that's exactly the kind of delusion that caused all the brexit shit, 1700 is 300 years from today, stretching it, and that's only the west side of the world, where you were bullying Irish and you first landed america and you killed people without guns. it was then near 180 years ago, you and European countries (that's first time in the world history, that one and only time Europe actually work together, called eight nation alliance, look it up mate, that ugliest page of history is only half page long on Wikipedia) went east and blew up the East so hard. Mate, China dominated the technology, education, economy, human resources for 4800 years on this planet; you want to talk about dominance, mate? so ya, Europe didn't make London London, but they make you the international hub to the rest of world, because of the natural development in history, not because you are special or 'dominated the world'. They can fuck with you anytime if they want to, all the companies (EU or rest of world) come to UK in the past 40 years because you are in EU, simple fact. and please don't even remind me that you needed American help during ww2, just, stop. | ||
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