|
In order to ensure that this thread meets TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we ask that everyone please adhere to this mod note. Posts containing only Tweets or articles adds nothing to the discussions. Therefore, when providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments will be actioned upon. All in all, please continue to enjoy posting in TL General and partake in discussions as much as you want! But please be respectful when posting or replying to someone. There is a clear difference between constructive criticism/discussion and just plain being rude and insulting. https://www.registertovote.service.gov.uk |
I HATE the Labour party. They ruin this country every time they get into power. They promise the world to everyone and once they get into power they totally screw the country up. Backed by the Unions, the marxist labour party go against everything that made this country great. They reward the dregs of society with cash prizes at the cost of the ordinary hard working folk. They opened the door to mass immigration from the poorest areas of the world as they knew that the children of these immigrants would vote labour (I think this is high treason by the way).
This is what should be done;
> Lower tax on all businesses to encourage a proper, business driven economic recovery.
> Cut welfare spending in half and give financial help only to people who were born in this country. Everyone who is on benefits must do 20 hours community service to recieve their benefits payment.
> All immigrants only recieve child benefit for their first and second child. They do not recieve benefits for any children after the second child. (There was a story about a pakistani polygamist scumbag who married 5 wives, had 5 children with each of them and now lives in a mansion on benefits).
> A massive increase in the use of Nuclear Power. Our neighbours France get 80% of the power from nuclear power stations whilst our government build DERPwind turbines all over the country which are all but useless and very expensive.
> A massive cut in foreign aid. Get our own house in order before we help others.
> A deliberate weakening of the British Pound so that foreign countries are more likely to buy british whilst british companies are more likely to make their products in british factories and provide jobs.
> Only skilled immigrants are welcome plus a 100,000 per year cap on the amount of immigrants coming to this country to stay. No un-skilled migrants and assylum seakers allowed.
> Build more jails and beef up our police force, toughen up our laws and put scumbags behind bars. Even bring back the death penalty in extreme cases such as child rapists and mass murderers.
> Deport all foreign criminals aswell as religious extremeists.
|
United States43460 Posts
lol
Not sure if troll post or Daily Express made a tl account
|
On September 16 2013 05:50 Zystra wrote:
I HATE the Labour party. They ruin this country every time they get into power. They promise the world to everyone and once they get into power they totally screw the country up. Backed by the Unions, the marxist labour party go against everything that made this country great. They reward the dregs of society with cash prizes at the cost of the ordinary hard working folk. They opened the door to mass immigration from the poorest areas of the world as they knew that the children of these immigrants would vote labour (I think this is high treason by the way).
This is what should be done;
> Lower tax on all businesses to encourage a proper, business driven economic recovery.
> Cut welfare spending in half and give financial help only to people who were born in this country. Everyone who is on benefits must do 20 hours community service to recieve their benefits payment.
> All immigrants only recieve child benefit for their first and second child. They do not recieve benefits for any children after the second child. (There was a story about a pakistani polygamist scumbag who married 5 wives, had 5 children with each of them and now lives in a mansion on benefits).
> A massive increase in the use of Nuclear Power. Our neighbours France get 80% of the power from nuclear power stations whilst our government build DERPwind turbines all over the country which are all but useless and very expensive.
> A massive cut in foreign aid. Get our own house in order before we help others.
> A deliberate weakening of the British Pound so that foreign countries are more likely to buy british whilst british companies are more likely to make their products in british factories and provide jobs.
> Only skilled immigrants are welcome plus a 100,000 per year cap on the amount of immigrants coming to this country to stay. No un-skilled migrants and assylum seakers allowed.
> Build more jails and beef up our police force, toughen up our laws and put scumbags behind bars. Even bring back the death penalty in extreme cases such as child rapists and mass murderers.
> Deport all foreign criminals aswell as religious extremeists.
So vote UKIP...?
|
United States43460 Posts
UKIP are nowhere near that extreme. BNP is closer.
|
When I heard Marxist, Labour Party, and immigrant in the same sentence, I knew this was going to be good.
|
Hey, to be fair the Labour Party were sort of Marxist about 100+ years ago. An easy mistake to make.
He's definitely too right wing and authoritarian for UKIP, BNP is about right.
|
Yep, pretty sad really.
I was thinking Daily Mail more than express, but sure : D
|
Thatcherism killed marxism in the UK. The first great women leader of the modern era really did shift politics.
They still control the marxist, communist, and union votes but thats just the same eroding "we don't have anywhere else to go" situation that social conservatives in america have found themselves in. the politicians on this side of the pond just havn't caught onto it yet and lose elections because of that.
|
I don't understand these weird far right guys who always complain about the left being such statists and then when you ask them how they'd run the country they want the government to regulate and control society in a manner that would be a Bolshevik's wet dream.
|
On September 16 2013 06:38 Sermokala wrote:
Thatcherism killed marxism in the UK. The first great women leader of the modern era really did shift politics.
They still control the marxist, communist, and union votes but thats just the same eroding "we don't have anywhere else to go" situation that social conservatives in america have found themselves in. the politicians on this side of the pond just havn't caught onto it yet and lose elections because of that.
Your whole post is just way off.
There was never ever ever any significant Marxist Party in the UK and any communists or marxists we do have in this country most definitely aren't voting New Labour.
|
United States43460 Posts
Labour were, at the time of inception, committed to nationalising the means of production. While not entirely Marxist that's a step on the way there and, had it proved feasible and successful, would most likely have continued.
|
I am pretty sure they were more democractic socialist if anything
|
On September 16 2013 06:50 KwarK wrote:
Labour were, at the time of inception, committed to nationalising the means of production. While not entirely Marxist that's a step on the way there and, had it proved feasible and successful, would most likely have continued.
Labour were obviously closer to Marxism than the Conservatives or Liberals, in the same way that the Conservatives are closer to the BNP than New Labour but they're still not at all operating in the same sphere of politics.
If you're not advocating a dictatorship of the proletariat you're not a Marxist Party.
|
On September 16 2013 06:55 Shiragaku wrote:
I am pretty sure they were more democractic socialist if anything
Exactly and democratic socialists are way, way closer to the Democrats, Republicans, New Labour, Conservatives and any other standard capitalist democratic party than they are to Marxist-Leninist groups.
|
United States43460 Posts
The issue here is in the definition of Marxism because it's a broad term with a historical imperative, a political drive, an economic model and a social design all in one. Had Labour introduced economic reforms and everything gone amazingly I believe they would have continued until the classless society with the abolition of money and so forth had been achieved. But they were absolutely not revolutionaries and I did not mean to suggest they were.
|
> A deliberate weakening of the British Pound so that foreign countries are more likely to buy british whilst british companies are more likely to make their products in british factories and provide jobs.
Is it just me or does this sound way out of place in the overall context of the post? Even in the UK, isn't this more opposite the ideological spectrum compared to what his post demonstrated?
|
What i hate about uk politics is that any point of view that isn't your own is OBVIOUSLY racist and aligned with the BNP and thus should not be considered for rational debate or argument
Nope, we can't have any of that in our politics.
|
On September 16 2013 19:34 BrTarolg wrote:
What i hate about uk politics is that any point of view that isn't your own is OBVIOUSLY racist and aligned with the BNP and thus should not be considered for rational debate or argument
Nope, we can't have any of that in our politics.
everyone is allowed their own view and everyone is allowed to call that view what they like. As for the above poster with the manifesto they seem at least xenophobic.
|
United States43460 Posts
On September 16 2013 19:34 BrTarolg wrote:
What i hate about uk politics is that any point of view that isn't your own is OBVIOUSLY racist and aligned with the BNP and thus should not be considered for rational debate or argument
Nope, we can't have any of that in our politics.
I don't follow. We have three main parties that between them make up the entire house of commons (except that one green MP) and none of them are the BNP. Therefore the vast majority of people holding views contrary to yours will be supporters of one of the other main parties and not of the BNP. Lib Dem voters don't accuse Labour voters of being racist and aligned with the BNP, Tories don't accuse Lib Dems of it, Labour don't accuse Tories of it, this really is not a thing. Pretty much the only people accused of being the BNP are the BNP who are probably guilty of it.
|
On September 16 2013 06:50 KwarK wrote:
Labour were, at the time of inception, committed to nationalising the means of production. While not entirely Marxist that's a step on the way there and, had it proved feasible and successful, would most likely have continued. What do you mean, "feasible and successful"? Half the country would flat-out deny that Thatcherism was feasible and successful. The other half are so heavily propagandized by private interests, and so easily led by jingoism (e.g. over the Falklands war), that it's hard to take them seriously.
By all kinds of measures (employment rate for one thing) the 70s was a more successful decade than the 80s. The people of this country are so brainwashed by the tabloids that this fact is usually forgotten.
The truth is, shared ownership of means of production is the logical destination for a democracy. The only alternative will be most of the country out of work as soon machines become intelligent enough to replace human labour. (This isn't a far-fetched sci-fi conjecture, but a pretty sober take on where AI is heading.)
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
