EPTCorbyn can survive, but he's going to need to keep a few key people, Khan and Burnham for a start. I really hope this doesn't drive him further to the left though (it almost certainly will) because then Labour will truly be fucked for a long, long time.
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
Corbyn can survive, but he's going to need to keep a few key people, Khan and Burnham for a start. I really hope this doesn't drive him further to the left though (it almost certainly will) because then Labour will truly be fucked for a long, long time. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 26 2016 21:48 phantomlancer23 wrote: One thing that remain voters dont understand is that if you stay its not that you ll have a stable situation and the things will be as it is, the unification of europe will continue.With remain you agree that you ll go to the direction in the end you lose everything and you reach a point that you cant even vote to leave again even if you want to.The european mafia wont stop until take over all the power from every country. If you're going to make the assumption that European unification is some inexorable force moving to subjugate the entirety of the continent (which is a ridiculous notion, but I'll humor you here), then choosing to leave is also pointless because there's really no way that the UK could remain autonomous forever if that's really the case. Globalization is not something that goes away just because you plug your ears and bury your head in the sand. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On June 26 2016 22:50 Jockmcplop wrote: Labour knows they can't elect a new leader. Corbyn will still almost certainly win the vote. Corbyn can survive, but he's going to need to keep a few key people, Khan and Burnham for a start. I really hope this doesn't drive him further to the left though (it almost certainly will) because then Labour will truly be fucked for a long, long time. Maybe everyone can join the Lib Dems. From both the Conservatives and Labour. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&pnref=story Since i posted that, i might as well talk about it abit. There are legit reasons behind remain and leaving, i respect anyone who actually knows why they voted remain/leave and what exact consequences will they face, and that they are willing to pay the price for either choice. I was gonna type more about remain/leave camp but as of today, they don't matter anymore, what's done is done. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On June 26 2016 20:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So I'm guessing this might be one of the reasons that there is a revolt in the Labour party? Source Corbyn took a different stance on remaining to Cameron, as he admitted that immigration did put pressure on communities but said this was due to austerity. This was in my opinion the best thing he could do, as when Labour and the Tories shared a platform the Scottish independence vote many Scottish voters felt betrayed by Labour, as they didn't seem to be offering anything different to the Tories which led to the enormous rise of the SNP. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On June 26 2016 23:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So he chose party over country...? I don't think any Labour voters who weren't convinced by Corbyn now would possibly be convinced by Corbyn plus Cameron sharing a stage together. Especially in the northern, traditionally Labour heartlands Cameron is absolutely reviled and there's a good chance Corbyn appearing with him would have damaged Labour irreversibly with very little gain. | ||
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maxor
England59 Posts
Corbyn being the decent man that he tried to include all the previous blairites and they used that good will to stab him in the back. The right wing always site that Corbyn is un-electable but there are some things that are more important than a temporary election win things like getting back a labour party that its voters are happy to vote for and not just a tory lite option because there is no other choice. If they force him out and dont allow us to re-elect him via the supports vote then they will see the biggest drop in support the labour party has ever seen. Labour voters want Corbyn and only Corbyn. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 26 2016 07:49 DeepElemBlues wrote: It might be time for a new strategy, one that doesn't insist on dismissing political disagreement as being caused by Unacceptable Beliefs. How about pointing out Russia was proven right? It's actually kind of easy to break up the EU. All they had to do was bomb the shit out of Syria. This is going swimmingly for them. British people are at each other's throats, and ignoring the root of the international forces that led them there, which just happens to be a country that wants the EU weakened and destabilized. Not to mention the UK probably took the hardest line on EU sanctions against Russia. Now those sanctions are set up to be buried. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On June 27 2016 00:13 maxor wrote: The labour party pre Corbyn had completely not understood what there own supports wanted they actually said that the reason Scotland voted on mass for the SNP was because labour had gone too far to the left!! Corbyn being the decent man that he tried to include all the previous blairites and they used that good will to stab him in the back. The right wing always site that Corbyn is un-electable but there are some things that are more important than a temporary election win things like getting back a labour party that its voters are happy to vote for and not just a tory lite option because there is no other choice. If they force him out and dont allow us to re-elect him via the supports vote then they will see the biggest drop in support the labour party has ever seen. Labour voters want Corbyn and only Corbyn. I don't necessarily want Corbyn, I want someone better who has the same passion and determination to make the country fairer. That Labour seem unable to produce this candidate is ridiculous. There really should be someone in politics who is a leftist and is able to do politics. I would still vote for Corbyn though. He's just not really good enough and he needs someone younger with skills in public speaking, strategy, and politics in general. That said he's very often dead right on issues. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Brexit lost? | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On June 27 2016 00:38 Shield wrote: http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-desperately-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ Brexit lost? That is a very interesting read. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
Democracy works when it agrees with me. Otherwise it doesn't! | ||
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Banaora
Germany234 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
My country is a parliamentary democracy and so is the UK. ANY STEP taken towards BREXIT must be approved by the parliament. In my country, the MPs are in critical situations bound only by two things - their conscience and beliefs. If it is the same in the UK, then there is no power in the universe, which would force an MP, who is against BREXIT to vote for it. At the same time, the MPs for sure want to follow the wish of the British people, expressed in the referendum. So unless there is the majority of MPs in the British parliament, who actually want BREXIT, I see there only one fair solution. That the MPs declare: "We understand that the British people want BREXIT, but cannot vote for it, so we need to be replaced. We need quickly new elections, where new MPs will be elected, who will support the nation's wish, vote for it and execute it in the next years." Well, and if in these next elections, the parties will win, who strongly want to stay in the EU, that is an actual cancelling the referendum. In a democratic way. Because there is no chance for a second referendum being held. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 27 2016 00:20 Jibba wrote: How about pointing out Russia was proven right? It's actually kind of easy to break up the EU. All they had to do was bomb the shit out of Syria. This is going swimmingly for them. British people are at each other's throats, and ignoring the root of the international forces that led them there, which just happens to be a country that wants the EU weakened and destabilized. Not to mention the UK probably took the hardest line on EU sanctions against Russia. Now those sanctions are set up to be buried. You're not wrong that it would be mostly in Russia's interests if the EU were to have troubles (maybe not in general, certainly in its current iteration). But maybe you'd be better off considering what made it so fragile that some bombing of some country that has been in civil war for a long time, would set off a crisis like this. Maybe it's the EU itself that turned some random FP intervention by Russia among others into a full-blown internal crisis. Not that I accept that as the truth, mind you - this entire point is about as stupid as the one MP who said that Russia bombed Syria to encourage Brexit. It's really easy to blame evil Russia with its fascist leader Putler than to accept that the EU itself had the structural weakness that gave the Eurosceptics so much ammunition. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On June 27 2016 00:52 SoSexy wrote: Democracy works when it agrees with me. Otherwise it doesn't! If you had two menus to choose your food from, and you chose menu B, which promises chocolate ice-cream, but it turns out to be shit (literally), I doubt you would eat it. Democracy only works when you know the full story. When key Brexit campaigners backtracked from their promises then that means they lied, cheated, misbehaved, whatever you call it. If they had any decency, they would have wanted another referendum because they lied shamelessly. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10156 Posts
On June 27 2016 00:38 Shield wrote: http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-desperately-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ Brexit lost? That would be the most expensive and stupid bluff that i can think off. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
http://qz.com/715845/british-stocks-lost-125-billion-after-brexit-or-15-years-worth-of-eu-contributions/ | ||
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