EPTwhen 1 US$ = 1.02 yen, i'll be bowing to welcome the new Japan Imperium
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
when 1 US$ = 1.02 yen, i'll be bowing to welcome the new Japan Imperium | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:29 pmh wrote: Ha ha ha If that was the case the eu would never have been founded in the first place. Maybe he holds the opinion that when Britain joined, they should also have required a two thirds majority or something that serves a similar purpose. Edit: edited out the edit ... though my post now doesn't have much of a purpose  | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:20 amazingxkcd wrote: "democracy didn't work out in our favor, better crash it!" The biggest reason we have representiave democracies instead of straight one person one vote democracires is so elected officials can prevent short sighted ruinous but popular things like this from happening. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:34 amazingxkcd wrote: when 1 US$ = 1.02 yen, i'll be bowing to welcome the new Japan Imperium please no. I'm already salty about lewd plastic figures being more expensive to import the way it is now | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:34 amazingxkcd wrote: when 1 US$ = 1.02 yen, i'll be bowing to welcome the new Japan Imperium Well, who knows ... I can imagine the financial markets taking revenge on Trump if he will not play the line with the boys from Wall Street :-) | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + see post below for clarification | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:48 plasmidghost wrote: I'm glad that nationalism won. Britain has excellent values and the EU doesn't share them, so the best choice was to leave the EU. There is nothing wrong al all with moderate nationalism, and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. I agree with you but I still think I'm an idiot. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:48 plasmidghost wrote: I'm glad that nationalism won. Britain has excellent values and the EU doesn't share them, so the best choice was to leave the EU. There is nothing wrong al all with moderate nationalism, and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. This is a good start to discussion. All other who do not hold this view are dumb and should accept it. Including the 49% of the UK population who wanted to remain. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On June 25 2016 04:33 Diabolique wrote: Very interesting. But it seems a very stupid reason to bring Europe into this kind of catastrophe. The worst thing is that I read recently quite frustrating article that if the political correctness wins in the short term, the harsh actions that will follow in the long term will be similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961 , but now it will not be hundreds of dead people, but tens of thousands ... Well the problem is on the one hand that she seems to be very "cold" and calculating which seems to be true for the most part. But she is also insecure and poll-driven. My prime example is the so called "Energiewende" which took place some time before. The backstory is that Germany was about 50%/50% on the nuclear power plants (afaik). Then the Red/Green Government of Schröder (2002) passed a law which would shutdown some NPP and fix the "long term goal" of shutting down all NPP over a long period of time in a law. Then Merkel came and basically reverted that law in giving the existing NPP a longer run time. I don't know why, but I guess there was heavy lobbying involved. Then Fukushima happened and there were elections upcoming in Baden-Württenberg (BaWü). (and some other state, i forgot). The then CDU-minister-president was a firm beliver in nuclear energy. Polls plummeted and the danger of the "loss" of BaWü was eminent. (BaWü for the CDU was something like Texas for the Reps). Now Merkel enters the picture: She doesn't want to be responsible for a heavy loss and she has to do something. So she does the most radical thing possible: She shuts down all NPP for three months (until well after the elections), then gets some "ethic comittee" which says NPP are evil and shuts down 8 NPP for good, and all the others until 2022. The result: CDU lost BaWü, they now have a Green minister-president who just got reelected. Germany got the second highest costs for electricity in Europe. I believe that this was a mistake for several reasons: First, the Greens are simply more convincing in fighting against nuclear power than the party which just prolonged the livespan of all NPP. Second, a heavily industrialized country like Germany can't change their power grid at will. They compensated this with "reneable energy", but e.g. Poland forbade Germany to use their power lines to get the power from the windmills at the coast to the industrial centers in Bavaria and BaWü. Third it shows a lack of leadership. The tsunamy killed 16 000 in one sweep. Radiation killed not a single person up to this day. Germany doesn't get hit by Tsunamies. It doesn't take much to defend this stance. So all in all I do think she is prone to these kind of errors, and she is very "german" in it in the sense that she can't do it halfway. I think she was afraid of the pictures of small kids on Hungarian train stations crying and "just" wanting to get to Germany (Did I mention left media? They all showed the small kids/families arriving in Germany but ignored that a huge majority were young men). But she couldn't say that so she had to take in all "Syrian" refugees. It's also a problem for several other reasons: The Turkey deal didn't really solve the refugee crises. Erdogan is portrayed almost as evil as Putin, so it looks like she made a deal with the devil. Merkel said the "German Border" can't be defended, but then Austria closed their borders and Macedonia showed the world that borders can indeed be protected. Greece' crisis is also not solved. A lot of laws passed the parliamant but afaik not a lot of them are worth the paper they are written on. A lot of politicians didn't want to touch the Asylum system. It produces a lot of ugly pictures of people resisting getting flown back to their home countries. So it's no wonder camps like Calais flourished. And nobody seemed to want to enforce deportation (not even Bavaria has a deportation quota > 50%, let alone Berlin). So the contracts with the home countries are poor and not usable. Even the FPÖ doesn't want to do it. They are now in a Coalition in Upper Austria and they simply cut the money for refugees. So the refugees go to Vienna, where they get more money (and the green party is in a coalition with the Reds) And this leads back to the Brexit: There are a lot of unresolved problems within the EU and there are no deep reforms in sight. Merkel has the aforementioned flaws, Hollande seems weak and Cameron doesn't have enough leverage. Italy is quite problematic in itself and no big help with the refugee crisis (I guess someone from Italy can shed more light on the 'clandestini' and their connections to the Mafia). The EU is still a great thing and a lot of their work is going unnoticed. I could simply study in Germany without the need to fill any form (or buy Deutsche Mark), but it doesn't help if they aren't able to solve the big problems. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:51 Plansix wrote: This is a good start to discussion. All other who do not hold this view are dumb and should accept it. Including the 49% of the UK population who wanted to remain. I don't actually think they're idiots, I'm just acting like the stupid children on Twitter with their #NotMyVote bullshit | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:51 Hryul wrote: Erdogan is portrayed almost as evil as Putin. Putin is evil? I'm quite a fan of the guy myself. So is most of Croatia. I wonder how rest of the European countries resonate on this. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:53 plasmidghost wrote: I don't actually think they're idiots, I'm just acting like the stupid children on Twitter with their #NotMyVote bullshit Some peoples lives were seriously affected by the vote and will be for the next two years and they are frustrated. People might have to move, or change their plans on where they will live. So maybe just let them vent and not get upset because they are venting on twitter where you can see? | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
it just broke on this very day and it will shatter with Scotland beeing the first to leave. If that is moderate nationalism, then it seems to be english nationalism not the one of the UK, which ripped appart this very day. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On June 25 2016 05:54 NukeD wrote: Putin is evil? I'm quite a fan of the guy myself. So is most of Croatia. I wonder how rest of the European countries resonate on this. I don't know how people really think about him in Ger/Aut, but he is portrayed as a powerhungry megalomaniac. They were angry for his support of Assad and then he took the Krim just after "they"* overthrew evil Yanukovich. There are a lot of cold warriors left in Germany who were all too happy to pick up that fork again. * "They" may or may not include CIA agents and/or political foundations from Germany to promote western democracy. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:02 Holy_AT wrote: The UK? What UK? it just broke on this very day and it will shatter with Scotland beeing the first to leave. If that is moderate nationalism, then it seems to be english nationalism not the one of the UK, which ripped appart this very day. I support both, if the majority of England want out of the EU, they should leave. If the majority of Scotland and Northern Ireland want out of the UK and to rejoin the EU, they should also leave. Democracy means that the people do what they think is best for them, even if it doesn't work out. I'm pretty libertarian on this subject matter, let the majority of the people have freedom or whatever they decide, provided it doesn't directly affect others negatively. Then again, what is affected directly by this is a completely different argument that I honestly don't have a part in since I'm not a UK citizen. I support the UK decision on principle | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:03 Hryul wrote: I don't know how people really think about him in Ger/Aut, but he is portrayed as a powerhungry megalomaniac. They were angry for his support of Assad and then he took the Krim just after "they"* overthrew evil Yanukovich. There are a lot of cold warriors left in Germany who were all too happy to pick up that fork again. * "They" may or may not include CIA agents and/or political foundations from Germany to promote western democracy. They are portraying him like that in the mainstream media here aswel but people are not buying into it. | ||
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