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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 24 2016 12:35 GMT
#2661
On June 24 2016 19:54 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 19:50 showstealer1829 wrote:
On June 24 2016 19:35 Zaros wrote:


Except it isn't. Under the Scotland act they have to get authority from Westminster and they made it clear last time the referendum was "Once in a generation" so I'm guessing if they ask for the authority Westminster's reply will be something along the lines of

That would be hilarious but i cannot imagine anyone in Westminster being that stupid.
They promised quite a few things in the run-up to the Scotland vote and so far they haven't implemented anything worthwhile. In addition the situation has changed quite a lot just today, personally they have literally zero authority to deny a new referendum.

The next few weeks will certainly be turbulent.


While that all may be true morally. Westminster really doesn't have to do anything. What are the Scots going to do if Westminster tells them to jump in a loch? Vote for the SNP at the next UK election so they win the last 3 seats they have access to they don't have in Scotland? There's a lot of moral reasons maybe but there's no real political reason for Westminster to let Scotland do anything
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18760 Posts
June 24 2016 12:36 GMT
#2662
On June 24 2016 21:33 Linear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 21:32 sharkie wrote:
What pisses me most off in the whole referendum is the fucking joke of a turnout.

How can you not have an opinion in such a big topic? 13 million people? I really wish there was a way to exclude people if they aren't bothered to vote.


That goes to show you ignorant you are, it was a 72% turn out....


Yes, this means 28% of the whole population did not bother to take an interest in this.
That's 13 million people ffs.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9246 Posts
June 24 2016 12:36 GMT
#2663
On June 24 2016 21:32 sharkie wrote:
What pisses me most off in the whole referendum is the fucking joke of a turnout.

How can you not have an opinion in such a big topic? 13 million people? I really wish there was a way to exclude people if they aren't bothered to vote.

72% is a huge turnout, most elections don't even get 60%
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18760 Posts
June 24 2016 12:37 GMT
#2664
Don't you guys see what is wrong with calling 70% a huge turnout?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
June 24 2016 12:41 GMT
#2665
Only folks who have no experience with or knowledge of what voter turnout typically looks like are going to consider a 70%+ turnout a bad thing.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 12:41 GMT
#2666
On June 24 2016 21:37 sharkie wrote:
Don't you guys see what is wrong with calling 70% a huge turnout?

It's all relative. On the other hand, I prefer people that refrain from voting if they feel like they cannot make an educated vote because they do not understand the situation. And there's a number of other reasons, medical issues, for example.

On the other hand, media and politicians are treating this like a absolute victory, yet the discrepancy between both sides is 3-4%.

Democracy is more than following the demands of the masses, and the outcome being so close makes me very curious why this is being interpreted as a 100-0.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 12:42 GMT
#2667
On June 24 2016 21:41 farvacola wrote:
Only folks who have no experience with or knowledge of what voter turnout typically looks like are going to consider a 70%+ turnout a bad thing.

We all know the patterns and know that 70% is very solid, but Sharkie is probably surprised that 30% apparantly didn't bother to vote for the biggest decision the UK will make in decades.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 24 2016 12:57 GMT
#2668
On June 24 2016 21:36 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 21:33 Linear wrote:
On June 24 2016 21:32 sharkie wrote:
What pisses me most off in the whole referendum is the fucking joke of a turnout.

How can you not have an opinion in such a big topic? 13 million people? I really wish there was a way to exclude people if they aren't bothered to vote.


That goes to show you ignorant you are, it was a 72% turn out....


Yes, this means 28% of the whole population did not bother to take an interest in this.
That's 13 million people ffs.



maybe 28% of the population don't know what the EU is
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12559 Posts
June 24 2016 12:58 GMT
#2669
On June 24 2016 21:15 DickMcFanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 20:57 OtherWorld wrote:
So 40% or 25% = 100%, and that proves that all Muslims are heinous and evil? Geez, I guess with that kind of reasoning you can also claim that every single voter of a anti-european party is a racist who fantasizes about whipping migrants at night.


Yeah, I'm tired of this shit. Nobody has ever said "all" of them are heinous and evil. Nobody even used the word 'evil'.

It's the same discussion every time, it's like talking to a wall.



You get the same discussion because you're furthering the same points.

Please consider the casual difference between saying something like "I have concerns about radical islam, but I don't want to paint "all" of them as heinous and evil. Which is why I question how we keep considering Saudi Arabia as our great ally and let it spread wahabism everywhere." and something like "I have concerns about radical islam, but I don't want to paint "all" of them as heinous and evil. Which is why I don't want to accept refugees."

Notice how one targets radical islam, and one targets muslims. Notice how you're always here to support the second. Understand why the wall is met.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 24 2016 12:58 GMT
#2670
On June 24 2016 21:06 Sent. wrote:
I hope the EU wont react with needless hostility. "You're with us or against us" attitude will only encourage more euroscepticism.

That doesn’t seem to be the tone I am hearing in the news this morning. Mostly just sad that it is happening an concern that millions of British citizens that live abroad in the EU. There was on commentator from Spain that said there is a very real chance they will lose their healthcare and pensions will be frozen while they work out the cost of living adjustment. I wasn’t 100% sure what that entailed exactly. And UK business people that were talking about their EU employees that might not be able to work for them any more. But its clear it is going to be very rough 2 years for some folks.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 24 2016 13:00 GMT
#2671
but brussels need to make an example of the uk, because there are many other countries that have pretty strong anti-eu sentiments
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 24 2016 13:03 GMT
#2672
On June 24 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 21:06 Sent. wrote:
I hope the EU wont react with needless hostility. "You're with us or against us" attitude will only encourage more euroscepticism.

That doesn’t seem to be the tone I am hearing in the news this morning. Mostly just sad that it is happening an concern that millions of British citizens that live abroad in the EU. There was on commentator from Spain that said there is a very real chance they will lose their healthcare and pensions will be frozen while they work out the cost of living adjustment. I wasn’t 100% sure what that entailed exactly. And UK business people that were talking about their EU employees that might not be able to work for them any more. But its clear it is going to be very rough 2 years for some folks.

on that note I guess:

Morgan Stanley looks to move 2,000 London staff

BBC business reporter Joe Lynam reports...

Sources within Morgan Stanley say it has already begun the process of moving about 2,000 of its London-based investment banking staff to Dublin or Frankfurt. And it has a taskforce in place.

The jobs which would be moved from the UK would be in euro clearing but also other investment banking functions and senior management.

The American investment bank needs to avail of the passporting system which allows banks to offer financial services in all countries in the EU without having to establish a permanent base in that member state.

The president of Morgan Stanley, Colm Kelleher, told Bloomberg two days ago that Brexit would be “the most consequential thing that we’ve ever seen since the war”.

Spanish PM reassures British expats

Acting Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has sought to reassure the hundreds of thousands of Britons that live in Spain that the referendum result will not immediately affect their right to live in the country.

"Their rights to move freely, to work, to pay social security contributions, to receive pensions, to invest, to vote or be elected in local elections will not be affected at all" as the UK negotiates its exit from the EU, he said.

That process could take "at least two years", he added.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18760 Posts
June 24 2016 13:05 GMT
#2673
On June 24 2016 22:00 ahswtini wrote:
but brussels need to make an example of the uk, because there are many other countries that have pretty strong anti-eu sentiments


and give more fuel to hate the EU?
phantomlancer23
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
733 Posts
June 24 2016 13:05 GMT
#2674
I m so happy for brexit.Congratulations to british people they did the smart move for their country despite the threats and terror by the european mafia, i m so jealous of them i want grexit right NOW.I want to see EU burnt to the ground i hope french people follow in this path.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
June 24 2016 13:06 GMT
#2675
On June 24 2016 20:40 DickMcFanny wrote:
It's a bit like people who haven't sent an e-mail in their lives voting on net neutrality or encryption laws in the US.


No... it's not like that.

But your post shows what is wrong in todays society, as soon as we have a democratic poll, there are always people who dispute other peoples ability to make a decision. You don't like the outcome? Fine. But it's still what most voters wanted so it's legit.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 13:07:54
June 24 2016 13:06 GMT
#2676
On June 24 2016 22:00 ahswtini wrote:
but brussels need to make an example of the uk, because there are many other countries that have pretty strong anti-eu sentiments

Yeah, but a fast response will only galvanize the opposition. The referendum was a year or more in the making. They have time. I think it a reasonable plan to just express disappointment and letting the slow reality of what leaving the EU means unfold for everyone. This isn’t going to be fun for anyone, especially the 49% of the UK that wanted stay.

On June 24 2016 22:05 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 22:00 ahswtini wrote:
but brussels need to make an example of the uk, because there are many other countries that have pretty strong anti-eu sentiments


and give more fuel to hate the EU?


Exactly. Long term they want to "do what is necessary and respect the decision of the UK" and let any backlash be focused on who pushed for the split.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Linear
Profile Blog Joined August 2015
60 Posts
June 24 2016 13:09 GMT
#2677
On June 24 2016 22:05 phantomlancer23 wrote:
I m so happy for brexit.Congratulations to british people they did the smart move for their country despite the threats and terror by the european mafia, i m so jealous of them i want grexit right NOW.I want to see EU burnt to the ground i hope french people follow in this path.


Greece should never have been let in.
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 24 2016 13:09 GMT
#2678
UK will have quite a few problems ... Scotland, Northern Ireland.
Otherwise, I just congratulate them for the courage!!!
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Banaora
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany234 Posts
June 24 2016 13:10 GMT
#2679
On June 24 2016 22:00 ahswtini wrote:
but brussels need to make an example of the uk, because there are many other countries that have pretty strong anti-eu sentiments

There will be people trying to frame it this way. The thing is access to the single market can only happen with free movement of money, goods and people. And there cannot be an exception for the U.K. because if there were then other nations also would want to start cherry-picking.

Norway and Switzerland agree on this. Norway even pays into the EU without having any say just to access the single market.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 24 2016 13:12 GMT
#2680
On June 24 2016 22:03 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
On June 24 2016 21:06 Sent. wrote:
I hope the EU wont react with needless hostility. "You're with us or against us" attitude will only encourage more euroscepticism.

That doesn’t seem to be the tone I am hearing in the news this morning. Mostly just sad that it is happening an concern that millions of British citizens that live abroad in the EU. There was on commentator from Spain that said there is a very real chance they will lose their healthcare and pensions will be frozen while they work out the cost of living adjustment. I wasn’t 100% sure what that entailed exactly. And UK business people that were talking about their EU employees that might not be able to work for them any more. But its clear it is going to be very rough 2 years for some folks.

on that note I guess:

Show nested quote +
Morgan Stanley looks to move 2,000 London staff

BBC business reporter Joe Lynam reports...

Sources within Morgan Stanley say it has already begun the process of moving about 2,000 of its London-based investment banking staff to Dublin or Frankfurt. And it has a taskforce in place.

The jobs which would be moved from the UK would be in euro clearing but also other investment banking functions and senior management.

The American investment bank needs to avail of the passporting system which allows banks to offer financial services in all countries in the EU without having to establish a permanent base in that member state.

The president of Morgan Stanley, Colm Kelleher, told Bloomberg two days ago that Brexit would be “the most consequential thing that we’ve ever seen since the war”.

Show nested quote +
Spanish PM reassures British expats

Acting Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has sought to reassure the hundreds of thousands of Britons that live in Spain that the referendum result will not immediately affect their right to live in the country.

"Their rights to move freely, to work, to pay social security contributions, to receive pensions, to invest, to vote or be elected in local elections will not be affected at all" as the UK negotiates its exit from the EU, he said.

That process could take "at least two years", he added.

Its 2.2 million is Spain alone, all of them now facing the possibility that they might have to leave their communities in 2 years.
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