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On June 24 2016 20:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2016 20:41 Diabolique wrote:On June 24 2016 20:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On June 24 2016 20:29 Diabolique wrote:On June 24 2016 19:50 hifriend wrote:
I hope Scotland sticks with UK for their own sake.
I also hope the EU will not be petty trying to 'punish' the Brits, their only concern should be expediating the process establishing new, reasonable agreements. "They need to discourage other nations from leaving" what kind of a union needs to punish parties to keep them in line, why should it exist then.
I hope this triggers renegotiations from other countries as well, and fundamental reform of EU. EU losing a big chunk of its budget is only positive at this point. EU is not working, yet it keeps growing and its powers keep expanding. The criticism isn't limited to the UK it is ubiquitous. I wish they would see this for what it is and make a serious change of direction. Absolutely. But as they were saying during tonight's BBC broadcast, the EU will need to punish the UK so that no other country dares to follow the UK steps. Otherwise, they could realize that the EU free economic movement area was something that everybody wanted while the today's dictatorship of a mad German lady is something what nobody wants. Like i keep saying the UK imports far more from Europe than it exports. If you think the EU is coming out of this with no economic hit you're delusional. Nobody says the EU will not have an economic hit. This is also the problem, that they will not act in the best economic interests of both sides, but they will try to punish the UK in such a way that no other country thinks about leaving the EU as well. If Merkel keeps bringing in a million refugees a year the economy will not be the main issue here.
Well, Merkel can do whatever she wants as long as her supporters keep her on the top. The problem is, she wants to do whatever she wants also with half of Europe, who never voted for her. And whoever thinks something else than she wants, she will punish him. That is not a democracy.
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On June 24 2016 20:47 Makro wrote:
instead of blaming the people that voted for leave, their concern should be adressed and it's clearly not by saying that they are racist or something else that things will go better
Point is you've got voters in Labour strongholds voting leave.Sunderland, Birmingham, the majority of Wales, other areas.
Left wing Labour voters calling these people racists is only furthering the split in the Labour party.London remaining by a large majority reinforces the rich/poor divide within the party.
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United Kingdom20323 Posts
I'm amazed that so many people are more concerned with european control instead of basic stuff like voting reform. Why is nobody talking about it?
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On June 24 2016 20:43 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2016 20:41 OtherWorld wrote:On June 24 2016 20:37 DickMcFanny wrote:On June 24 2016 20:06 Ragnarork wrote:On June 24 2016 19:46 DickMcFanny wrote:On June 24 2016 19:42 Linear wrote:On June 24 2016 19:36 DickMcFanny wrote:Ja, ich bin selbst deutsch. Thank you very much!  Fuck, link doesn't work "http://zdf0910-lh.akamaihd.net/z/de09_v1@392871/manifest.f4m" Bei der Wiedergabe ist ein Fehler aufgetreten. Inhalte mit Geoblocking können nur von Deutschland aus abgerufen werden. Waiting for you to either say you're racist or to show me some facts about your earlier claims... Nah, it's just not worth it. I could show you immigration statistics of second and third generation Turks in Germany, I could give you polls after polls after polls showing that Muslims consider Islam above state laws, I could point to a thousand anecdotes of refugees in refugee camps trying to force Islamic bullshit on Christian refugees, I could point at the state of secularism in pretty much every single Muslim majority country. You can just call me racist and in your mind you have won the argument. Outside of the USA, Muslim integration has never worked. You could but you didn't, so stop making baseless claims or put up sources. I for one would be really interested to see these. But something tells me they aren't that legit, or you'd have listed them already. Well, do you trust Pew research? Or Gallup? Do you think Al Jazeera is trustworthy? Just as a primer: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/![[image loading]](http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/gsi2-overview-1.png) How is this in any way relatable to the English way of life? I think you were asked to provide source to prove that Muslims want sharia law in Britain/European countries, not in their home countries. Try again. Yeah, I can't dig too far now, I'm at work. But at the same site you will find statistics that around 40% of Muslims in the UK (specifically) want Sharia Law and that 25% thought that murders against people who insult their prophet are justified.
So 40% or 25% = 100%, and that proves that all Muslims are heinous and evil? Geez, I guess with that kind of reasoning you can also claim that every single voter of a anti-european party is a racist who fantasizes about whipping migrants at night.
On June 24 2016 20:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2016 20:41 OtherWorld wrote:On June 24 2016 20:37 DickMcFanny wrote:On June 24 2016 20:06 Ragnarork wrote:On June 24 2016 19:46 DickMcFanny wrote:On June 24 2016 19:42 Linear wrote:On June 24 2016 19:36 DickMcFanny wrote:Ja, ich bin selbst deutsch. Thank you very much! Fuck, link doesn't work "http://zdf0910-lh.akamaihd.net/z/de09_v1@392871/manifest.f4m" Bei der Wiedergabe ist ein Fehler aufgetreten. Inhalte mit Geoblocking können nur von Deutschland aus abgerufen werden. Waiting for you to either say you're racist or to show me some facts about your earlier claims... Nah, it's just not worth it. I could show you immigration statistics of second and third generation Turks in Germany, I could give you polls after polls after polls showing that Muslims consider Islam above state laws, I could point to a thousand anecdotes of refugees in refugee camps trying to force Islamic bullshit on Christian refugees, I could point at the state of secularism in pretty much every single Muslim majority country. You can just call me racist and in your mind you have won the argument. Outside of the USA, Muslim integration has never worked. You could but you didn't, so stop making baseless claims or put up sources. I for one would be really interested to see these. But something tells me they aren't that legit, or you'd have listed them already. Well, do you trust Pew research? Or Gallup? Do you think Al Jazeera is trustworthy? Just as a primer: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/How is this in any way relatable to the English way of life? I think you were asked to provide source to prove that Muslims want sharia law in Britain/European countries, not in their home countries. Try again. It's not hard to use google, that information is readily available.
Then show it. I'm tired of that kind of response that is completely baseless. You could just as well tell me that information about whatever conspiracy theory is "widely available, just google it".
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On June 24 2016 20:50 Cyro wrote:
I'm amazed that so many people are more concerned with european control instead of basic stuff like voting reform. Why is nobody talking about it?
Because a referendum is great and quitting the EU is a real, tangible leap back to democracy.
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Farewell my British friends. Let's hope the aftermath of this is not disastrous for either side of the channel.
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On June 24 2016 20:59 ACrow wrote:
Farewell my British friends. Let's hope the aftermath of this is not disastrous for either side of the channel.
come on it's not like they are going to bring back the UK next to the new jersey, let's wait and see because right now there is too much overreaction over this
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On June 24 2016 20:25 Dan HH wrote:
Saw the vote breakdown by age brackets, seems the 65+ have decided this referendum. It's the same in my country, I'm 28 and only once out of 10 I've been on the winning side of a vote. With Europe's low natality rates and high life expectancy, there's simply no way for the 18-35 people to compete with the 65+, it's frustrating but I don't think there's anything to be done about it. I can only hope I won't be on the wrong side of history as often when I'm that age.
I more and more regularly get that "taxation without representation" sentiment on subjects like this, and I can't disagree either. Historically, there has rarely (if ever) been a situation in which voter interests and labour force interests were this unalligned. It's a scary thought.
I just look at pension funds in the Netherlands, artificially being kept "non-bankrupt" and every single policy proposed to restructure/redistribute is voted down en masse. It is political suicide to cater to the youth, as they are in a huge minority, yet we are the people paying for all this. The environment, for another fun example of live now and pay later.
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I hope the EU wont react with needless hostility. "You're with us or against us" attitude will only encourage more euroscepticism.
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I won't reply to trolls. If you cannot see the clash between western democracies and sharia, if you don't know what Umma means, and so on, it's not my fault. You probably don't have a deep knowledge of this debate, so why should I bother?
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On June 24 2016 21:07 SoSexy wrote:
I won't reply to trolls. If you cannot see the clash between western democracies and sharia, if you don't know what Umma means, and so on, it's not my fault. You probably don't have a deep knowledge of this debate, so why should I bother?
Having trouble finding the evidence that is being asked to collaborate your statements?
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On June 24 2016 20:50 Cyro wrote:
I'm amazed that so many people are more concerned with european control instead of basic stuff like voting reform. Why is nobody talking about it?
We tried before with the referendum on the alternative vote system. There is talk of reforming the House of Lords still, but it doesn't really go anywhere because it is a boring topic for the media to cover, and whoever is in power just appoints enough new lords to shift the balance in their favour so the people in power rarely have any interest in reforming it either.
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United Kingdom20323 Posts
quitting the EU is a real, tangible leap back to democracy.
And voting reform isn't? I think it would have a huge benefit with none of the risk or downsides involved with leaving the EU
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On June 24 2016 20:57 OtherWorld wrote:
So 40% or 25% = 100%, and that proves that all Muslims are heinous and evil? Geez, I guess with that kind of reasoning you can also claim that every single voter of a anti-european party is a racist who fantasizes about whipping migrants at night.
Yeah, I'm tired of this shit. Nobody has ever said "all" of them are heinous and evil. Nobody even used the word 'evil'.
It's the same discussion every time, it's like talking to a wall.
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On June 24 2016 20:47 Makro wrote:
instead of blaming the people that voted for leave, their concern should be adressed and it's clearly not by saying that they are racist or something else that things will go better
That's what "intellectual" people like to do. And then they are surprised and upset if these people dont vote for them...
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Dont know if repost:
Sorry we made a mistake and the adverts were wrong
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Repost, but hilarious repost.
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What pisses me most off in the whole referendum is the fucking joke of a turnout.
How can you not have an opinion in such a big topic? 13 million people? I really wish there was a way to exclude people if they aren't bothered to vote.
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On June 24 2016 21:32 sharkie wrote:
What pisses me most off in the whole referendum is the fucking joke of a turnout.
How can you not have an opinion in such a big topic? 13 million people? I really wish there was a way to exclude people if they aren't bothered to vote.
That goes to show you ignorant you are, it was a 72% turn out....
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That's what "intellectuals" do, Linear, and then they are surprised and upset when people disregard their opinion..
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