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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 08:36:33
June 24 2016 08:34 GMT
#2481
Will this be a big deal for the Premier League? I remember having read some article about visa problems and other things due to this.

edit: Kinda offtopic though, haha.
edit2: Oh seen the Football thread now, been asked there too.
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
June 24 2016 08:34 GMT
#2482
On June 24 2016 17:26 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:39 RvB wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:32 Cam Connor wrote:
hope you guys bought some cheap downside protection

I'll be buying options for when the markets will go up again. The dutch stock market already lost 9%!


Cheap downside protection,lol
Downside protection with options in europe has been very expensive this week because of the referendum.
It was much cheaper to buy upside protection for your position


it was relatively easy to find pretty good 5:1 or better trades for brexit if you know where to look
post to be
TL+ Member
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
June 24 2016 08:34 GMT
#2483
Any country looking for new people? I'm seriously considering heading out
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 24 2016 08:35 GMT
#2484
On June 24 2016 17:19 ahswtini wrote:
since apparently the result isnt legally binding, theoretically cameron or the future leader commit political suicide and refuse to leave the EU for "the greater good"

wont happen but one can hope

Didn't the republic of ireland do that twice? xD
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
June 24 2016 08:37 GMT
#2485
On June 24 2016 17:27 DickMcFanny wrote:
I don't think anyone questions that this will be universally bad for the remaining EU nations.

Could be fantastic for Ireland, though.

How dependant is Irelands economy on Great Britain?
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
June 24 2016 08:39 GMT
#2486
On June 24 2016 17:34 Cam Connor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 17:26 pmh wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:39 RvB wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:32 Cam Connor wrote:
hope you guys bought some cheap downside protection

I'll be buying options for when the markets will go up again. The dutch stock market already lost 9%!


Cheap downside protection,lol
Downside protection with options in europe has been very expensive this week because of the referendum.
It was much cheaper to buy upside protection for your position


it was relatively easy to find pretty good 5:1 or better trades for brexit if you know where to look

i mean i found a 25:1 trade that is going to pay off huge for me today and it was with relatively little effort
post to be
TL+ Member
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 24 2016 08:40 GMT
#2487
On June 24 2016 17:34 HolydaKing wrote:
Will this be a big deal for the Premier League? I remember having read some article about visa problems and other things due to this.

edit: Kinda offtopic though, haha.
edit2: Oh seen the Football thread now, been asked there too.


Hopefully it means Moussa Sissoko is forced to fuck off
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 24 2016 08:50 GMT
#2488
On June 24 2016 17:39 Cam Connor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 17:34 Cam Connor wrote:
On June 24 2016 17:26 pmh wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:39 RvB wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:32 Cam Connor wrote:
hope you guys bought some cheap downside protection

I'll be buying options for when the markets will go up again. The dutch stock market already lost 9%!


Cheap downside protection,lol
Downside protection with options in europe has been very expensive this week because of the referendum.
It was much cheaper to buy upside protection for your position


it was relatively easy to find pretty good 5:1 or better trades for brexit if you know where to look

i mean i found a 25:1 trade that is going to pay off huge for me today and it was with relatively little effort

It's because people tried to influence the referendum with large bets on remain, where most volume of bets was actually on leave
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 24 2016 08:51 GMT
#2489
On June 24 2016 15:39 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 15:32 m4ini wrote:
One thing that i've just read on reuters..

The majority of "out voters" are old farts, the majority of "in voters" are young people. Now one can argue that the youth is dumb etc, but it seems odd to me that a decision of this magnitude isn't made by the generation that will live to see what fruit it bears.

People, in fact, today literally fucked their kids over.

I would actually argue that 'the youth' (22-35) is more accurately aware of politics and how markets operate than older generations who argue from authority and stigma's.

I would argue that ignorance is the rule across all age groups. Being a member of the 22-35 group myself and a relatively recent university grad, I can state with confidence that even those my age with degrees are more often than not every bit as guilty of forming opinions based on the particular dogmas of their time. Yesterday's preachers area today's crackpot humanities professors.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 08:53:43
June 24 2016 08:53 GMT
#2490
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
June 24 2016 08:54 GMT
#2491
On June 24 2016 17:50 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 17:39 Cam Connor wrote:
On June 24 2016 17:34 Cam Connor wrote:
On June 24 2016 17:26 pmh wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:39 RvB wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:32 Cam Connor wrote:
hope you guys bought some cheap downside protection

I'll be buying options for when the markets will go up again. The dutch stock market already lost 9%!


Cheap downside protection,lol
Downside protection with options in europe has been very expensive this week because of the referendum.
It was much cheaper to buy upside protection for your position


it was relatively easy to find pretty good 5:1 or better trades for brexit if you know where to look

i mean i found a 25:1 trade that is going to pay off huge for me today and it was with relatively little effort

It's because people tried to influence the referendum with large bets on remain, where most volume of bets was actually on leave

i mean, in financial markets, this is way wrong
post to be
TL+ Member
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
June 24 2016 08:55 GMT
#2492
is the london financial district going nuts right now??? don't they have to all relocate to an area within EU trade sovereinty to be able to regally securitize/rate European assets? i thought that was one of the big reasons London was so heavily "remain," since property values would be heavily impacted if everyone was forced to relocate.. I know the ceo of GMS made a statement regarding it but i don't know the extent to which London will be impacted.
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4433 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 09:01:34
June 24 2016 09:00 GMT
#2493
On June 24 2016 17:50 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 17:39 Cam Connor wrote:
On June 24 2016 17:34 Cam Connor wrote:
On June 24 2016 17:26 pmh wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:39 RvB wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:32 Cam Connor wrote:
hope you guys bought some cheap downside protection

I'll be buying options for when the markets will go up again. The dutch stock market already lost 9%!


Cheap downside protection,lol
Downside protection with options in europe has been very expensive this week because of the referendum.
It was much cheaper to buy upside protection for your position


it was relatively easy to find pretty good 5:1 or better trades for brexit if you know where to look

i mean i found a 25:1 trade that is going to pay off huge for me today and it was with relatively little effort

It's because people tried to influence the referendum with large bets on remain, where most volume of bets was actually on leave

Yeah, big money involved, most likely investment banks.
If you've got a 100 million fund then 25k is peanuts.
Put a 25k bet on, watch the markets soar on the updated bookies odds, sell a few stocks (or some currencies) - bingo you've made far more than 25k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 09:02:10
June 24 2016 09:01 GMT
#2494
On June 24 2016 17:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 17:21 Lebesgue wrote:
On June 24 2016 17:07 Linear wrote:
On June 24 2016 17:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On June 24 2016 17:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:45 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:27 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:24 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:10 Cyro wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
[quote]
Very interesting link, thanks!


That's pretty amazing, wow

can someone enlighten me about what's so amazing in that link?.
i see the rich and their groupies voting remain and the poor and scared voted leave.
what's the practical connection with education?. how can the education have the consequences they said it has?.

Because apparantly there is a correlation between highly educated (people that, on average, are informed, understand the mechanisms) and the youth (people that, on average, are informed, and HIGHLY affected) that want to remain, and on the other hand older people (less informed, less affected) and poor (BLAME THE EU) to leave.

- do they have university level pro-EU courses in UK?.
- do those old and/or poor people lack the (mental?)capability to understand the latest debates on this issue?.

- Because people that finish higher education tend to be better at understanding and critically questioning information.
- Old people have other interests and are more affected by instinct over factual information: 'the past' when 'everything was better' for example.

I can't recall there being "safe spaces" in universities 30 years ago.Progress!
Fact is the youth are increasingly stuck in a child-like state, not able to think critically or entertain ideas outside of what the left wing politically correct dogma of the day is.

Their argument was based on brexiters being "racist", ignoring the fact that Poland doesn't have any black people.The government in fact made it harder for Non-EU immigrants to enter because they were getting so many (overwhelmingly white) EU migrants.


As a young person I don't give a flying fuck about the politics of the matter I only care what makes sound fiscal sense leaving the EU doesn't make any sense it that regard so it's a bad idea. Pretty simple concept to grasp.


Spot on.

What a f***ing mess this is. And that's why referendums with 50% thresholds are useless. A higher margin should be required for such a momentous decisions...

because thats literally how a democracy works. majority wins.

Blind democracy is a dictatorship of the majority. A good democracy doesn't consider that 51% of voters = whole nation, it seeks compromise between the different involved parties - notice, btw, that minority rights is a very "democracy" thing. Of course, that's difficult to do when the whole campaign is shallow and stupid.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6303 Posts
June 24 2016 09:01 GMT
#2495
On June 24 2016 17:55 Endymion wrote:
is the london financial district going nuts right now??? don't they have to all relocate to an area within EU trade sovereinty to be able to regally securitize/rate European assets? i thought that was one of the big reasons London was so heavily "remain," since property values would be heavily impacted if everyone was forced to relocate.. I know the ceo of GMS made a statement regarding it but i don't know the extent to which London will be impacted.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-19/-big-bang-to-brexit-the-city-of-london-fears-end-to-golden-age
Read that it answers your question perfectly.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 09:08:55
June 24 2016 09:01 GMT
#2496
On June 24 2016 17:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:45 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:27 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:24 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:10 Cyro wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

Those graphs at the end. Wow. Just wow.

Very interesting link, thanks!


That's pretty amazing, wow

can someone enlighten me about what's so amazing in that link?.
i see the rich and their groupies voting remain and the poor and scared voted leave.
what's the practical connection with education?. how can the education have the consequences they said it has?.

Because apparantly there is a correlation between highly educated (people that, on average, are informed, understand the mechanisms) and the youth (people that, on average, are informed, and HIGHLY affected) that want to remain, and on the other hand older people (less informed, less affected) and poor (BLAME THE EU) to leave.

- do they have university level pro-EU courses in UK?.
- do those old and/or poor people lack the (mental?)capability to understand the latest debates on this issue?.

- Because people that finish higher education tend to be better at understanding and critically questioning information.
- Old people have other interests and are more affected by instinct over factual information: 'the past' when 'everything was better' for example.

read http://www.academia.edu/587549/_Wheres_The_Analysis_University_Students_Understanding_of_Critical_Thinking + Show Spoiler +
5. Discussion
These results indicate that whilst some students generally feel confident in their understanding of some aspects of critical thinking and how to apply these skills in an academic context, there is a significant portion of students who do not. In fact,almost half the students were unable to express confidence in their understanding of all the factors relating to understanding critical thinking.
The limitations of this research however relate to the fact that the study does not actually assess the students’ ability to think critically; rather it simply evaluates their actual understanding of critical thinking.Further research will assess critical thinking and match these results with the results of students’ understanding of critical thinking. Furthermore, a comparison of the self assessment of critical thinking will be matched with an assessment of a subsequent literature review, which will be tutor assessed
and high school students have it way worse in the critical thinking department.

but meh, i don't really have time for this so i'll just post (one of)my conclusion.
- you have people(about 20%) who function based (mainly)on the insula and anterior cingulate cortex(cognitive conflict and processing conflicting information).
-you have people who function based (mainly)on the amygdala(about 40%)(fear region).
(the rest ~37%(3% study error), the moderates, can and do use all those brain regions in varying %).

what happened here is that those 20% failed to address the fears of those 40% but even if they were to try that, they'd fail because those fears were grounded in reality and i.r.l > words.

Edit: and, there is no way you are using critical thinking now.
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Kingsky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore298 Posts
June 24 2016 09:03 GMT
#2497
i loved David Cameron's speech after the Brexit vote. It was basically "Fuck all of you, I'm out"
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 24 2016 09:05 GMT
#2498
On June 24 2016 18:03 Kingsky wrote:
i loved David Cameron's speech after the Brexit vote. It was basically "Fuck all of you, I'm out"


Yeah it was really "Fuck the lot of you, this is your mess, you sort it out" wasn't it?
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
June 24 2016 09:06 GMT
#2499
At least he's honest. :D
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 09:09 GMT
#2500
On June 24 2016 18:01 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 17:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:45 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:27 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:24 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:10 Cyro wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

Those graphs at the end. Wow. Just wow.

Very interesting link, thanks!


That's pretty amazing, wow

can someone enlighten me about what's so amazing in that link?.
i see the rich and their groupies voting remain and the poor and scared voted leave.
what's the practical connection with education?. how can the education have the consequences they said it has?.

Because apparantly there is a correlation between highly educated (people that, on average, are informed, understand the mechanisms) and the youth (people that, on average, are informed, and HIGHLY affected) that want to remain, and on the other hand older people (less informed, less affected) and poor (BLAME THE EU) to leave.

- do they have university level pro-EU courses in UK?.
- do those old and/or poor people lack the (mental?)capability to understand the latest debates on this issue?.

- Because people that finish higher education tend to be better at understanding and critically questioning information.
- Old people have other interests and are more affected by instinct over factual information: 'the past' when 'everything was better' for example.

read http://www.academia.edu/587549/_Wheres_The_Analysis_University_Students_Understanding_of_Critical_Thinking + Show Spoiler +
5. Discussion
These results indicate that whilst some students generally feel confident in their understanding of some aspects of critical thinking and how to apply these skills in an academic context, there is a significant portion of students who do not. In fact,almost half the students were unable to express confidence in their understanding of all the factors relating to understanding critical thinking.
The limitations of this research however relate to the fact that the study does not actually assess the students’ ability to think critically; rather it simply evaluates their actual understanding of critical thinking.Further research will assess critical thinking and match these results with the results of students’ understanding of critical thinking. Furthermore, a comparison of the self assessment of critical thinking will be matched with an assessment of a subsequent literature review, which will be tutor assessed
and high school students have it way worse in the critical thinking department.

but meh, i don't really have time for this so i'll just post (one of)my conclusion.
- you have people(about 20%) who function based (mainly)on the insula and anterior cingulate cortex(cognitive conflict and processing conflicting information).
-you have people who function based (mainly)on the amygdala(about 40%).
(the rest ~37%(3% study error), the moderates, can and do use all those brain regions in varying %).

what happened here is that those 20% failed to address the fears of those 40% but even if they were to try that, they'd fail because those fears were grounded in reality and i.r.l > words.

Edit: and, there is no way you are using critical thinking now.

It's interesting research, thanks for sharing, little sidenote; people that finished higher education =! students.And with youth, I refer to peopl up to 35, students are a tiny margin there.

Also, there's a ton of different of different interests for young people to stay in the EU.

Lastly, keep the ad hominems to reddit. Makes me not care about your post.
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