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AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
June 24 2016 07:57 GMT
#2441
On June 24 2016 16:56 DickMcFanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:48 Pandemona wrote:
Merkel and Sarkozy must be seething right now and who can blame them.



Merkel has nobody to blame but herself for this.


self reflection and taking responsibility aren't exactly her strong suits.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 24 2016 07:57 GMT
#2442
On June 24 2016 16:51 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:48 Pandemona wrote:
Merkel and Sarkozy must be seething right now and who can blame them.

Hollande mate. Sarkozy hasn't been the French president for a while.

Haha my bad i liked Sarkozy
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 07:58 GMT
#2443
On June 24 2016 16:46 Cam Connor wrote:
[image loading]

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 24 2016 07:58 GMT
#2444
On June 24 2016 16:56 Laurens wrote:
So who will be the next PM?

Is it actually going to be Boris/Nigel?


Nigel has 0% chance he isn't a conservative or an mp.

It will be Boris/Gove/may/crabb or a complete unknown
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 24 2016 07:58 GMT
#2445
On June 24 2016 16:56 Laurens wrote:
So who will be the next PM?

Is it actually going to be Boris/Nigel?

Leadership debate will come up very fast in Conservative party. Boris will be bookmakers favorite, but the likes of Michael Gove will throw his name into the hat, but literally is no big name in Conservatives outside of Boris. Farage isn't in conservative party so he can't be considered unless he changes colours but that aint happening.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 08:00:08
June 24 2016 07:59 GMT
#2446
Oh, Spain just asked UK for shared Sovereignty over Gibraltar, who are the worst effective by this. Poor buggers gonna get shut out from Spain if we don't agree to this!
On June 24 2016 16:57 AngryMag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:56 DickMcFanny wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:48 Pandemona wrote:
Merkel and Sarkozy must be seething right now and who can blame them.



Merkel has nobody to blame but herself for this.


self reflection and taking responsibility aren't exactly her strong suits.

Hope she calls us idiots and our parliament insane for giving this decision to mere plebs.
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 08:00:55
June 24 2016 07:59 GMT
#2447
On June 24 2016 16:45 Pandemona wrote:
Well UK fucked
What a shocking time to be alive where plebs get to vote on such huge decisions, shocking


As a bystander I can't look away. As tepid as the status quo seems it's hard to imagine how half a nation can jump into the deep end without having taken a good look. I haven't read one cogent piece on how exit negotiations might go or preliminary projections on the post EU world. It's just Yolo hope for the glorious past in the future.

Two world wars and all but once the red menace is gone the Europeans can't play nice. Meanwhile Machiavelli Jr. Probably has a shit eating grin right now. :D

/facetious
anatase
Profile Joined May 2010
France532 Posts
June 24 2016 07:59 GMT
#2448
On June 24 2016 16:54 maartendq wrote:
On the positive side, this might be the last time that the UK will be able to influence mainland politics. They might, however, have a hard time getting used to being just an island nation no-one really has to listen to anymore. Centuries of influencing mainland power politics must have been addicting.


Quite agree with this, I am saddened by the choice of the british people and the internal political play british politicians have pulled out recently.
But this is a chance for mainland Europe to strenghten ties and integrate further, in a better fashion.
It's a huge opportunity.
And if the UK thinks it will be better off outside of the EU, no doubt the EU will be fairing very well without a solo player in a teamgame.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
June 24 2016 08:00 GMT
#2449
On June 24 2016 16:55 Zaros wrote:
Corbyn is now in trouble 1/4 of labour MPs are set to sign a letter asking him to go

Labour needs to listen to it's voters, they got smashed tonight.Wrong side of history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 08:00 GMT
#2450
On June 24 2016 16:45 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:27 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:24 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:10 Cyro wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

Those graphs at the end. Wow. Just wow.

Very interesting link, thanks!


That's pretty amazing, wow

can someone enlighten me about what's so amazing in that link?.
i see the rich and their groupies voting remain and the poor and scared voted leave.
what's the practical connection with education?. how can the education have the consequences they said it has?.

Because apparantly there is a correlation between highly educated (people that, on average, are informed, understand the mechanisms) and the youth (people that, on average, are informed, and HIGHLY affected) that want to remain, and on the other hand older people (less informed, less affected) and poor (BLAME THE EU) to leave.

- do they have university level pro-EU courses in UK?.
- do those old and/or poor people lack the (mental?)capability to understand the latest debates on this issue?.

- Because people that finish higher education tend to be better at understanding and critically questioning information.
- Old people have other interests and are more affected by instinct over factual information: 'the past' when 'everything was better' for example.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6274 Posts
June 24 2016 08:01 GMT
#2451
On June 24 2016 16:54 maartendq wrote:
On the positive side, this might be the last time that the UK will be able to influence mainland politics. They might, however, have a hard time getting used to being just an island nation no-one really has to listen to anymore. Centuries of influencing mainland power politics must have been addicting.

For me that is a negative. British liberalism has been positive for the EU. I greatly regret this.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 08:02 GMT
#2452
On June 24 2016 17:01 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:54 maartendq wrote:
On the positive side, this might be the last time that the UK will be able to influence mainland politics. They might, however, have a hard time getting used to being just an island nation no-one really has to listen to anymore. Centuries of influencing mainland power politics must have been addicting.

For me that is a negative. British liberalism has been positive for the EU. I greatly regret this.
We lost one of our greatest allies within the EU today.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 08:05:30
June 24 2016 08:03 GMT
#2453
On June 24 2016 16:56 DickMcFanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:48 Pandemona wrote:
Merkel and Sarkozy must be seething right now and who can blame them.



Merkel has nobody to blame but herself for this.

She can always blame Cameron for running a referendum. Like people blamed Tsipras.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 24 2016 08:03 GMT
#2454
On June 24 2016 16:59 anatase wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:54 maartendq wrote:
On the positive side, this might be the last time that the UK will be able to influence mainland politics. They might, however, have a hard time getting used to being just an island nation no-one really has to listen to anymore. Centuries of influencing mainland power politics must have been addicting.


Quite agree with this, I am saddened by the choice of the british people and the internal political play british politicians have pulled out recently.
But this is a chance for mainland Europe to strenghten ties and integrate further, in a better fashion.
It's a huge opportunity.
And if the UK thinks it will be better off outside of the EU, no doubt the EU will be fairing very well without a solo player in a teamgame.

Germany probably still the biggest soloplayer in there tbh here goes hoping that changes with this
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 08:05:57
June 24 2016 08:04 GMT
#2455
On June 24 2016 17:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:45 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:27 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:24 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:10 Cyro wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

Those graphs at the end. Wow. Just wow.

Very interesting link, thanks!


That's pretty amazing, wow

can someone enlighten me about what's so amazing in that link?.
i see the rich and their groupies voting remain and the poor and scared voted leave.
what's the practical connection with education?. how can the education have the consequences they said it has?.

Because apparantly there is a correlation between highly educated (people that, on average, are informed, understand the mechanisms) and the youth (people that, on average, are informed, and HIGHLY affected) that want to remain, and on the other hand older people (less informed, less affected) and poor (BLAME THE EU) to leave.

- do they have university level pro-EU courses in UK?.
- do those old and/or poor people lack the (mental?)capability to understand the latest debates on this issue?.

- Because people that finish higher education tend to be better at understanding and critically questioning information.
- Old people have other interests and are more affected by instinct over factual information: 'the past' when 'everything was better' for example.

I can't recall there being "safe spaces" in universities 30 years ago.Progress!
Fact is the youth are increasingly stuck in a child-like state, not able to think critically or entertain ideas outside of what the left wing politically correct dogma of the day is.

Their argument was based on brexiters being "racist", ignoring the fact that Poland doesn't have any black people.The government in fact made it harder for Non-EU immigrants to enter because they were getting so many (overwhelmingly white) EU migrants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Linear
Profile Blog Joined August 2015
60 Posts
June 24 2016 08:07 GMT
#2456
On June 24 2016 17:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 17:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:45 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:27 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:24 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:10 Cyro wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

Those graphs at the end. Wow. Just wow.

Very interesting link, thanks!


That's pretty amazing, wow

can someone enlighten me about what's so amazing in that link?.
i see the rich and their groupies voting remain and the poor and scared voted leave.
what's the practical connection with education?. how can the education have the consequences they said it has?.

Because apparantly there is a correlation between highly educated (people that, on average, are informed, understand the mechanisms) and the youth (people that, on average, are informed, and HIGHLY affected) that want to remain, and on the other hand older people (less informed, less affected) and poor (BLAME THE EU) to leave.

- do they have university level pro-EU courses in UK?.
- do those old and/or poor people lack the (mental?)capability to understand the latest debates on this issue?.

- Because people that finish higher education tend to be better at understanding and critically questioning information.
- Old people have other interests and are more affected by instinct over factual information: 'the past' when 'everything was better' for example.

I can't recall there being "safe spaces" in universities 30 years ago.Progress!
Fact is the youth are increasingly stuck in a child-like state, not able to think critically or entertain ideas outside of what the left wing politically correct dogma of the day is.

Their argument was based on brexiters being "racist", ignoring the fact that Poland doesn't have any black people.The government in fact made it harder for Non-EU immigrants to enter because they were getting so many (overwhelmingly white) EU migrants.


As a young person I don't give a flying fuck about the politics of the matter I only care what makes sound fiscal sense leaving the EU doesn't make any sense it that regard so it's a bad idea. Pretty simple concept to grasp.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 08:08 GMT
#2457
I highly doubt anybody based their decision on that sole argument.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 08:09 GMT
#2458
On June 24 2016 17:07 Linear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 17:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On June 24 2016 17:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:45 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:27 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:24 xM(Z wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:10 Cyro wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

Those graphs at the end. Wow. Just wow.

Very interesting link, thanks!


That's pretty amazing, wow

can someone enlighten me about what's so amazing in that link?.
i see the rich and their groupies voting remain and the poor and scared voted leave.
what's the practical connection with education?. how can the education have the consequences they said it has?.

Because apparantly there is a correlation between highly educated (people that, on average, are informed, understand the mechanisms) and the youth (people that, on average, are informed, and HIGHLY affected) that want to remain, and on the other hand older people (less informed, less affected) and poor (BLAME THE EU) to leave.

- do they have university level pro-EU courses in UK?.
- do those old and/or poor people lack the (mental?)capability to understand the latest debates on this issue?.

- Because people that finish higher education tend to be better at understanding and critically questioning information.
- Old people have other interests and are more affected by instinct over factual information: 'the past' when 'everything was better' for example.

I can't recall there being "safe spaces" in universities 30 years ago.Progress!
Fact is the youth are increasingly stuck in a child-like state, not able to think critically or entertain ideas outside of what the left wing politically correct dogma of the day is.

Their argument was based on brexiters being "racist", ignoring the fact that Poland doesn't have any black people.The government in fact made it harder for Non-EU immigrants to enter because they were getting so many (overwhelmingly white) EU migrants.


As a young person I don't give a flying fuck about the politics of the matter I only care what makes sound fiscal sense leaving the EU doesn't make any sense it that regard so it's a bad idea. Pretty simple concept to grasp.

Exactly. The politics are a non-issue in this referendum, the economy and personal financial well-being is.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
June 24 2016 08:18 GMT
#2459
I see lots of reports on social media about Spain and Gibraltar right now. Any more information about that
EZ4ENCE
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 24 2016 08:19 GMT
#2460
since apparently the result isnt legally binding, theoretically cameron or the future leader commit political suicide and refuse to leave the EU for "the greater good"

wont happen but one can hope
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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