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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 24 2016 07:23 GMT
#2401
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120 for uk viewers only

so there will be aleadership election by october
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 07:24:16
June 24 2016 07:23 GMT
#2402
Cameron's put in his two week's notice.

So it goes.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
June 24 2016 07:24 GMT
#2403
On June 24 2016 16:10 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

Those graphs at the end. Wow. Just wow.

Very interesting link, thanks!


That's pretty amazing, wow

can someone enlighten me about what's so amazing in that link?.
i see the rich and their groupies voting remain and the poor and scared voted leave.
what's the practical connection with education?. how can the education have the consequences they said it has?.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 07:25:07
June 24 2016 07:24 GMT
#2404
On June 24 2016 16:22 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:21 ahswtini wrote:
expecting cameron to resign in this speech

When where source vid gimmegimme !!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

works outside the UK unlike someone said above
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
June 24 2016 07:24 GMT
#2405
On June 24 2016 16:22 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:21 ahswtini wrote:
expecting cameron to resign in this speech

When where source vid gimmegimme !!!


Smile, tomorrow will be worse
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 07:26:27
June 24 2016 07:24 GMT
#2406
On June 24 2016 16:21 ahswtini wrote:
expecting cameron to resign in this speech

Independent has called on him to resign and they were heavily pro remain.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-victory-what-the-result-means-for-britain-s-future-in-europe-a7098451.html

I think if Cameron ran a fair campaign he should have stayed on, but he ran a disgustin fear based campaign that has turned many of the people who voted for him against both him and the party.Osborne must also go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Banaora
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany234 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 07:26:04
June 24 2016 07:25 GMT
#2407
Germans can watch Cameron's speech on phoenix.de livestream.
Linear
Profile Blog Joined August 2015
60 Posts
June 24 2016 07:25 GMT
#2408
On June 24 2016 16:17 sharkie wrote:
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On June 24 2016 16:14 acker wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:10 sharkie wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:08 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:03 sharkie wrote:
I love how Remain supporters blame the Brexit for the pound's fall.
It's just the consequence of the Remain's campaign "UK will fall into a crisis if we leave the EU".

You reap what you sow...

wat


Remain campaign has created fear in people if Brexit would win.
Well Brexit won and now these scared people sell their shares

A: A bunch of journalists managed to scare the biggest financial firms, brokerages, and investors in London into behaving irrationally.

B: Finance is bunkering down in response to uncertainty concerning the UK's new relationship with the European mainland.

Apparently you think A is more likely than B. Ok then.


I actually think that A influences B yes.
Finance people are in the end just people as well so they get influenced by the press.


So you think that A who are reporting on what B have said are infact manufacturing something that B are supposed to have said and B just go along with it?
Are you seriously that stupid?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 24 2016 07:26 GMT
#2409
that voice break at the end
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 24 2016 07:26 GMT
#2410
PM Boris incoming
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 24 2016 07:26 GMT
#2411
I missed the date or timespan he mentioned to invoke the start of the 2year period. What was it?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
June 24 2016 07:26 GMT
#2412
On June 24 2016 16:23 HolydaKing wrote:
I think France might follow, Le Pen already said they want to try it too and I'm not sure if the French would vote differently. Might be the start of the end for EU.

Le Pen usually gets slaughtered in the second round of voting, so no chance of that ever happening.

People urgently need to stop blaming the EU problems that are entirely home-brewn.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 24 2016 07:27 GMT
#2413
On June 24 2016 16:26 Toadesstern wrote:
I missed the date or timespan he mentioned to invoke the start of the 2year period. What was it?

he said the new prime minister would invoke it, so not until october
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 07:27 GMT
#2414
On June 24 2016 16:24 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:10 Cyro wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

Those graphs at the end. Wow. Just wow.

Very interesting link, thanks!


That's pretty amazing, wow

can someone enlighten me about what's so amazing in that link?.
i see the rich and their groupies voting remain and the poor and scared voted leave.
what's the practical connection with education?. how can the education have the consequences they said it has?.

Because apparantly there is a correlation between highly educated (people that, on average, are informed, understand the mechanisms) and the youth (people that, on average, are informed, and HIGHLY affected) that want to remain, and on the other hand older people (less informed, less affected) and poor (BLAME THE EU) to leave.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 07:30:34
June 24 2016 07:28 GMT
#2415
On June 24 2016 16:17 RvB wrote:
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On June 24 2016 16:04 Wegandi wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:53 maartendq wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:31 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:20 RvB wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:18 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:15 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 13:20 amazingxkcd wrote:
On June 24 2016 13:05 KwarK wrote:
[quote]
Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.


could see Denmark and netherlands holding referendum if #Brexit wins

Dutch person here,

I have not heard anybody about a Dutch referendum for leaving the EU (except for our local Clown Trump), and after the disaster that was this years' referendum, I doubt it'd be easy to get going without changing some of those laws first (min 30% participation, it's very likely that rule completely fucked over the results of the Ukraine referendum)


BBC says 54% of Dutch voters want to have a referendum.

As to what shakes out between the UK and the EU, there is nothing keeping the UK and EU from coming to very friendly arrangements except human emotion. If the EU wants to act all butthurt and/or whoever runs the UK after Cameron wants to be a sore winner, then both sides could tit-for-tat each other and harm everyone. If they want to put their emotions aside, satisfactory arrangements for commerce between the UK and EU member states can and will be found.

Our referendums are non binding though and the last one was a total disaster with 32% or something turning out.

Technically speaking this UK referendum was non-binding in a similar manner. It is just that Cameron (et al.) 'made' it binding.

As for the 32% turn out rate (was actually between 30-31% in the end, it was a result of the 30% treshhold that is in place to make the referendum 'official'. This made it so a lot of people didn't vote "strategically" so the referendum would be void. We ended up in a situation in which 60% voted "NO", but it is very very very very very likely the general population is in favor of the Ukraine agreement. Which is superawkward.

Well i seriously doubt that an EU membership referendum would get only 30% turnout.
The bigger the issue the more turnout yes?

It's funny that people actually believe that big decisions like this should be left to a plebiscite. Stuff like this is way too big to be left to the people's gut feeling of the moment.


In UK oriented countries (e.g. Common Law countries), the plebs decide life and death, which is the most important decision people can make. Granted, in the US you need unanimity, but it's also only 12 people...so...It just seems like people are in favor of democracy until democracy doesn't suit them anymore. Funny that.

For all the shit the US gets, damn man, I didn't realize how much more we rely on the people to make most decisions than European countries.

Honestly, though you're going to sit there and say that it shouldn't be up to the people who should for lack of better term "rule them" (oh how I wish no one was an option (Check box for Clinton, Check box for Trump, Check box for Johnson, Check box for Abolish this Office :p) on the ballot...just once, please!)? That's what this was about.

Just curious, can the people vote to change their constitutions (one of the most important part of voting imho in the US is for all the state amendment votes that come up), or do you leave that up to whatever political Government body?

When did the US have a referendum for the last time though? I don't think there's much of a difference. In The Netherlands there are at least 5 different things which you can vote for (both 2 houses of parliament, regional government, local government, european parliament and the water board).


As far as I am aware only 2 States hold referendum's and we don't have any national referendum's. The US has so much crap to vote on, Senator/Rep for both DC and your State, Chief of Police/Sheriff/Judge(s)/Water councils/Local councilman/Mayor/etc., but for me, the most important are the votes on amendments to State Constitutions.

http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/candidates-committees/offices-up-for-election/
http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/laws-rules/constitutional-amendments/

That's just offices. There are ballot initiatives you vote on for your city as well as State amendments to the Constitution, etc.

On top of that, people can participate in jury duty and other civic engagements. Common Law countries just have much more participation in more things for the plebs. Which was my main objection to the post that something as important as choosing your own "ruler" shouldn't be up to the people, but to some technocrats or other Government bureaucrats. I have a good feeling that if this referendum was solely about the economic/trade side of the EU that remain would have walloped leave, but that's not what this vote was about. The people voting for leave aren't voting on an economic basis, but about self-determination and national sovereignty. As an American, that's something I can really empathize with. I wish I could get a vote in Florida on whether to remain or leave the US. :p

Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 07:32:15
June 24 2016 07:30 GMT
#2416
what a day

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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
June 24 2016 07:30 GMT
#2417
On June 24 2016 16:17 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 16:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On June 24 2016 16:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 24 2016 15:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

Those graphs at the end. Wow. Just wow.

Very interesting link, thanks!

Graph just shows how out of touch London and the rich commuter towns are with the rest of England.London is sucking the wealth from the rest of the country, the process was rapidly accelerated under Thatcher.

I found the education and Age graphs considerably mor einteresting.


I did too, it's no surprise that London would vote against much of england as their demographic is wildly different.

Education very strongly correlating to remain votes and young voting remain, old voting leave is much more interesting
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Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
June 24 2016 07:32 GMT
#2418
hope you guys bought some cheap downside protection
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
June 24 2016 07:32 GMT
#2419
Cameron just resigned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 24 2016 07:34 GMT
#2420
Well, everyone who was on leave heard everything they wanted to hear in that Cameron speech pretty much.
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