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CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
June 16 2013 02:06 GMT
#61
On June 16 2013 04:37 Like a Boss wrote:
Pretty sure the Zergs have been using a similar overlord balloon technology to bring in view from all around the world too.

Yea, zerg's have had their wireless balloon shaped network hubs functional for a millennium already...
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
June 16 2013 02:33 GMT
#62
This is pretty sick. When does Google ever do something bad? I never hear of it. Google!!!

P.S. Don't tell me the bad stuff Google does. I only want to know good things about them.
electronic voyeur
Profile Joined October 2012
United States133 Posts
June 16 2013 05:29 GMT
#63
On June 16 2013 11:33 RiceAgainst wrote:
This is pretty sick. When does Google ever do something bad? I never hear of it. Google!!!

P.S. Don't tell me the bad stuff Google does. I only want to know good things about them.

They know almost everything about you based on you online activities. While it will suggest to me Lebron James posterizes Duncan when I search "rim", it might suggest something of the NSFW thing for you using the same keyword. :p
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 16 2013 05:34 GMT
#64
I love the overlord references =P
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
June 16 2013 06:15 GMT
#65
They're not going to be overlords once the NSA gets ahold of them. They'll be overseers.
mikell
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia352 Posts
June 16 2013 06:41 GMT
#66
On June 16 2013 10:39 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 08:31 iMAniaC wrote:
On June 16 2013 03:30 strongandbig wrote:
On June 15 2013 22:51 Leafty wrote:
Global supply of helium is not very high, so I don't see this being sustainable nor very cheap.
Plus, if they plan to fly the balloons in the south hemisphere, wouldn't it mean that most of the time they will cover unhabited places of the Pacific/Atlantic/Indian Ocean?

On June 15 2013 21:55 disciple wrote:
next stop is implementing the technology in cell phones so they can receive the signal and we can wave goodbye to all telecoms around the world (which are already dying anyway)

Telecoms dying? Many poeple I know pay like 50$ a month to use their smartphone, so I don't think it's "dying".


yeah this is a very good point - there's no way this is sustainable if these are helium balloons. Even advanced scientific research is hurting for lack of helium right now. Google's gonna need to think of something other than helium to put in here if they want this to keep going more than a few years, maybe hot air? Or if these balloons are relatively cheap maybe they could fill them with hydrogen instead and just accept that some percentage will explode, that's the best thing I can think of atm.


I noticed that the balloons are transparent, so perhaps they function as greenhouses? If so, then the sunlight would heat up whatever gas is inside the balloon and trap the heat, so that the uplift from the hotter air inside the balloon would keep the entire balloon up. The stratosphere doesn't have that much clouds, so balloons shouldn't be trapped inside clouds too often, and perhaps the solar panels will be able to charge some battery which powers a heating devide to keep the air inside them hot if they get lost inside a cloud (or at nighttime, I guess). What I'm trying to say is that it may not be necessary to fill them with helium, perhaps regular air or a mixture of other light gases would suffice. This is all just guesswork on my part, though.

Or perhaps Google will announce that they'll set up a base on the moon within the next year to mine He3 for all their balloons

I learned something about helium today
Show nested quote +

Helium-3 is made up of two protons and one neutron and the isotope is rarely found in nature, although it is produced as a decay product of tritium, a component of nuclear weapons. During the cold war, the US, Russia and other countries stockpiled tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, and in doing so accumulated vast amounts of helium-3. Initially, this resource was barely tapped - in fact the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) and its predecessor agencies, which have maintained the US tritium stockpile, used to consider the gas so useless that they vented it into the atmosphere. In the 1980s, however, scientists began to realise the potential of helium-3 as a neutron detector.

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2012/January/helium-3-isotopes-shortage-alternatives-neutron-detectors.asp

Loon is clearly a byproduct of Google's plans for world domination


I hope you note that He4 is used in balloons.
drone hard
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 07:03:28
June 16 2013 06:57 GMT
#67
On June 15 2013 21:55 disciple wrote:
next stop is implementing the technology in cell phones so they can receive the signal and we can wave goodbye to all telecoms around the world (which are already dying anyway)

How are telecoms dying, in countries just starting to receive wide adoption of cell phones (and especially 3g) its probably one of the fastest growing industries. Also even in the west, many people will still be switching from feature phones to smart phones over the next few years which = more money for telecoms as those consumers start to pay for LTE/4g services.

My dad who used to be in commercial real estate decided one day he'd prefer to apply his skills to a different field instead of the ups and downs of commercial real estate. He went to work for rogers (biggest telecom company in canada) he acquires land rights for towers and rooftops all over western canada, when he first started (over 15 years ago) i always thought , well eventually rogers will have enough towers to cover everything and my fathers services wouldnt be needed anymore , he kind of thought the same thing, wondering what would happen when they had cell phone service for all of western canada. Then 3g internet came along, he was twice as busy, then LTE came along even busier still, just from the mass expansion and technological upgrades its amazing to see how much the industry has grown over the past fifteen years, even through the perspective of a former commercial real estate agent, we now know that no one will ever be covered completely.
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
June 16 2013 07:05 GMT
#68
On June 16 2013 15:57 Executor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 21:55 disciple wrote:
next stop is implementing the technology in cell phones so they can receive the signal and we can wave goodbye to all telecoms around the world (which are already dying anyway)

How are telecoms dying, in countries just starting to receive wide adoption of cell phones (and especially 3g) its probably one of the fastest growing industries. Also even in the west, many people will still be switching from feature phones to smart phones over the next few years which = more money for telecoms as those consumers start to pay for LTE/4g services.

I speculate, but with the aggressive push Google is doing, getting its fingers on a lot of pies (I dont know the exact American idiom lol), it will be a battle between local and regional telecom giants vs. the big G. And with access to internet being a greater power as it can also wipe out the need for telecom services, it is easy to see what will happen.
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
Leafty
Profile Joined July 2012
France84 Posts
June 16 2013 07:25 GMT
#69
On June 16 2013 16:05 S:klogW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 15:57 Executor1 wrote:
On June 15 2013 21:55 disciple wrote:
next stop is implementing the technology in cell phones so they can receive the signal and we can wave goodbye to all telecoms around the world (which are already dying anyway)

How are telecoms dying, in countries just starting to receive wide adoption of cell phones (and especially 3g) its probably one of the fastest growing industries. Also even in the west, many people will still be switching from feature phones to smart phones over the next few years which = more money for telecoms as those consumers start to pay for LTE/4g services.

I speculate, but with the aggressive push Google is doing, getting its fingers on a lot of pies (I dont know the exact American idiom lol), it will be a battle between local and regional telecom giants vs. the big G. And with access to internet being a greater power as it can also wipe out the need for telecom services, it is easy to see what will happen.

I don't think Google can replace Tier 2/3 ISP networks and 3g/4g networks just by a clap of fingers. It tooks so many years and money to build these networks so there is no way they can come and say "Hey here is our new magnificent network capable of supporting the load of everyone on Earth." Don't forget that internet access IS a telecom service.
Runair
Profile Joined August 2010
United States49 Posts
June 16 2013 09:36 GMT
#70
Any information on how what kind of speeds/ping users could have?
Warlock40
Profile Joined September 2011
601 Posts
June 16 2013 09:47 GMT
#71
On June 16 2013 15:15 Infernal_dream wrote:
They're not going to be overlords once the NSA gets ahold of them. They'll be overseers.


Haha, so cynical, but I couldn't help but think the same thing what with current events and all.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
June 16 2013 10:05 GMT
#72
Why not just use satellites?
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
June 16 2013 10:16 GMT
#73
On June 16 2013 19:05 paralleluniverse wrote:
Why not just use satellites?

Cost and space, there really is only so many places you can put satellites in orbit plus they are a large initial investment. The stratosphere isn't really occupied and if all you need is gas to get it up there it's alot cheaper then rockets.
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 16 2013 10:29 GMT
#74
On June 16 2013 14:29 electronic voyeur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 11:33 RiceAgainst wrote:
This is pretty sick. When does Google ever do something bad? I never hear of it. Google!!!

P.S. Don't tell me the bad stuff Google does. I only want to know good things about them.

They know almost everything about you based on you online activities. While it will suggest to me Lebron James posterizes Duncan when I search "rim", it might suggest something of the NSFW thing for you using the same keyword. :p

How is that "bad" ? As I see it it's just a consequence of the way they work, and as far as I know they have just been using this information as a way to make money through ads, which allow them to do cool stuff and survive in a capitalist world.
I don't consider myself as a blind defender of google, but so far, I think they are doing alright considering the great power they have in their hands.
Orangered
Profile Joined June 2013
289 Posts
June 16 2013 12:10 GMT
#75
On June 16 2013 19:29 Cynry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 14:29 electronic voyeur wrote:
On June 16 2013 11:33 RiceAgainst wrote:
This is pretty sick. When does Google ever do something bad? I never hear of it. Google!!!

P.S. Don't tell me the bad stuff Google does. I only want to know good things about them.

They know almost everything about you based on you online activities. While it will suggest to me Lebron James posterizes Duncan when I search "rim", it might suggest something of the NSFW thing for you using the same keyword. :p

How is that "bad" ? As I see it it's just a consequence of the way they work, and as far as I know they have just been using this information as a way to make money through ads, which allow them to do cool stuff and survive in a capitalist world.
I don't consider myself as a blind defender of google, but so far, I think they are doing alright considering the great power they have in their hands.

I am pretty sure especially in America that people who Google stuff like "Jihad, Communist manifesto, terrorism, how to make a bomb using everyday materials, conspiracy" are flagged more than those who Google "Pony tales, how to beat n00bz ezpz LoL, getting rid of acne 12 years old"
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6227 Posts
June 16 2013 12:14 GMT
#76
Surely relying on the whim of the weather is tremendously unreliable?
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
June 16 2013 12:26 GMT
#77
This was pretty funny, but since I've heard this was actually going to happen I got pretty excited, and am even more of a Google fanboy now. Let's hope this helps people who don't currently have any internet!
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Orangered
Profile Joined June 2013
289 Posts
June 16 2013 12:36 GMT
#78
Is the pilot thing in NZ over yet? Anyone who was there? How was it?
Vinland
Profile Joined April 2011
Argentina136 Posts
June 16 2013 13:32 GMT
#79
On June 16 2013 21:14 Belisarius wrote:
Surely relying on the whim of the weather is tremendously unreliable?

"Weather" as we know it (clouds, rain, storms, etc) happens on the Troposphere, which has a 10/15km max height. Winds on the Stratosphere tend to be calmer and more stable.
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That being said, this feels more like PR stuff like an actual thing.
sigma_x
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia285 Posts
June 16 2013 13:41 GMT
#80
On June 16 2013 18:47 Warlock40 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 15:15 Infernal_dream wrote:
They're not going to be overlords once the NSA gets ahold of them. They'll be overseers.


Haha, so cynical, but I couldn't help but think the same thing what with current events and all.


Well i'm also worried about this. I'm even more about the fact that, if this is as successful as Google claims it to be (which I doubt), a multinational corporation will have a monopoly over 2/3 of the world's information distribution channels.
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