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MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-22 13:53:08
December 22 2017 13:52 GMT
#941
For all the news in Bitcoin, there seems to be nothing about it becoming more widely accepted as actual currency (and if anything the last week has undermined Bitcoin as a sensible thing even more).

Feels like the entire interest is from investors rather than "believers". Right now I bet a whole lot of big boys shorted this shit and are reaping heaps of money at the moment on the new futures trading.

Dip still going I think,
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4550 Posts
December 22 2017 14:07 GMT
#942
Yeah it's gone down again.

Pretty wild 24 hours. My investment in Ethereum was at 1300 euros yesterday evening, 800 this morning, back at 1150 around lunch, now back down at 900.

I tried selling when it was at 1100 earlier this week but using Kraken is near impossible since Bitcoin blew up, site constantly goes down.

I suppose the lesson here is to never invest more than like 1% of your savings, if only for your own sanity lol.
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
December 22 2017 14:15 GMT
#943
The problem I've head with Bitcoin is it's lack of inherent value (compared to stocks where you can try and extrapolate according to sector performance, price / earnings, debt etc.) Can't say as a small gamble it seems interesting though, although looking at doing it through a Bitcoin tracker rather than direct crypto since it seems pretty tricky to trade quickly.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
December 22 2017 16:41 GMT
#944
On December 22 2017 19:12 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 16:34 KwarK wrote:
Also the dip is here, hold onto your hats people.


Already going back up.
Dip over?

Na, it'll hit 10k and below soon
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 22 2017 18:23 GMT
#945
Greater fool theory strikes again.

I think the price will drop to 25-35% of the peak for most cryptocurrencies.
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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3987 Posts
December 22 2017 21:02 GMT
#946
I had expected the crash to go much faster, losing 50% value in a couple of hours or something in that range. Right now, it seems to picking up a little bit again.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
December 22 2017 22:22 GMT
#947
I would say that we need to wait until at least February/late January time to see where the price settles. This week doesn't yet seem like a crash to me, more like the first price adjustment after the shorting tools (the futures) became available.
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
December 23 2017 04:58 GMT
#948
On December 15 2017 19:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Fees are way too high right now
[image loading]
Probably around the greed/delusion stage.


[image loading]

Looks more like denial to me. I just don't see where the value is. I get that there's a limited quantity and that the blockchain is useful but neither of those things necessarily equate to value imo.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8764 Posts
December 23 2017 07:57 GMT
#949
if you have the money to take advantage of bitcoin RIGHT NOW, then you should have. simply because you can benefit from the bubble while it lasted and sell when it ends. its for a quick buck but thats pretty much it.
bitcoin is not going to serve its purpose as a currency and it doesnt have any value so theres pretty much no other reason to keep it imo.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 23 2017 08:22 GMT
#950
i bought my bitcoins to turn them into jewelry
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-23 10:53:14
December 23 2017 10:47 GMT
#951
You could buy with bitcoin in multiple cafes in Prague for years, there's several ATM's here too to withdraw directly from your wallet, and it's been widely used by EG my poker community for years now (the recent spike on fees sucks of course)

It just wasn't ready for the massive influx of transactions
And it might take months and years before the transaction cost especially is brought down and it can serve practical purpose and challenge fiat

You're basically either speculating
Or betting on the future and how the world will change and bitcoin develop
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
December 23 2017 16:08 GMT
#952
I don't think with an electricity consumption akin to the US's that bitcoin should have a future.
It's so inherently stupid that unless they change it to a less wasteful generation or should be banned globally due to its inherent damage to the environment.
passive quaranstream fan
Weebem-Na
Profile Joined May 2010
United States221 Posts
December 24 2017 09:44 GMT
#953
Like I pointed out earlier Bitcoin isn't the only crypto currency though. Even Bitcoin itself doesn't have to be tied to this wasteful mining forever. What I'm really interested in is all these altcoins. Admittedly they are risky and a lot of them are probably going to fail but its an exciting new market enabled by the ability to trust these new decentralized systems. I have a feeling people who have a diverse crypto portfolio and manage to hold it long term maybe 10 years will be very happy with the results.
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Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
December 24 2017 10:05 GMT
#954
mining is is done in country where electricity is being wasted anyway. if you know where the miners are they are in countries with an oversupply of energy. so really its not wasted energy, its actually putting the otherwise wasted energy to sustain a alternative financial network which i think is rather cool feature.

dont worry if its a currency or not. people use it for different things. just find your use case. if you dont have a use case for it its not for you.

also buy the dip, not a bad move.
Jelissei
Profile Joined June 2012
193 Posts
December 24 2017 11:04 GMT
#955
On December 24 2017 19:05 Chrono000 wrote:
mining is is done in country where electricity is being wasted anyway. if you know where the miners are they are in countries with an oversupply of energy. so really its not wasted energy, its actually putting the otherwise wasted energy to sustain a alternative financial network which i think is rather cool feature.

(...)


What?
I hear most of the mining is done in China and China is importing already 80% of its energy needs through the Strait of Malacca alone. I don't know where the other 20% is coming from, but there is no oversupply of energy in China.


Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
December 24 2017 11:25 GMT
#956
On December 24 2017 19:05 Chrono000 wrote:
mining is is done in country where electricity is being wasted anyway. if you know where the miners are they are in countries with an oversupply of energy. so really its not wasted energy, its actually putting the otherwise wasted energy to sustain a alternative financial network which i think is rather cool feature.

dont worry if its a currency or not. people use it for different things. just find your use case. if you dont have a use case for it its not for you.

also buy the dip, not a bad move.

That's pure nonsense.
You don't just have capacities of GW on hand. Lol
passive quaranstream fan
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
December 24 2017 11:29 GMT
#957
People are so illiterate in physics, they believe in free things. Sure, there's a perpetuum mobile that takes care of all this generation and transfers. And nobody has to pay anything for that. It's wasted anyway
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1366 Posts
December 25 2017 00:21 GMT
#958
On December 23 2017 13:58 TheFish7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 19:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Fees are way too high right now
[image loading]
Probably around the greed/delusion stage.


[image loading]

Looks more like denial to me. I just don't see where the value is. I get that there's a limited quantity and that the blockchain is useful but neither of those things necessarily equate to value imo.


It could also be the first sell off,the "bear trap" lol.
The public isn't that much into cryptos yet. Most people say its a hype and that is has no value,a temporary hype just waiting to blow over. Only a small percentage of the public is buying and holding bitcoins. And if you look at the chart then now could be fase 2, instutional investors entering the market now that there are futures. Maybe not only to invest long term,but also in trading the market itself.

I don't think bitcoin will completely crash,at the end of the day there is only a limited amount of coins available and the market wont crash when there is no one selling. You can see how fast it shoots up again once the selling has stopped. the market is still trying to find a good price at which it can be traded.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
December 25 2017 18:59 GMT
#959
$40k by end of 2018. You'll all see.
Life?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 25 2017 19:30 GMT
#960
Wouldn't that be a fail shockeyy?
Segwit will get implemented fees slashed, if people will keep believing with the big players coming in and wide trading available anything below 100k would be a bad sign
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
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