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Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-26 07:18:33
December 26 2017 07:17 GMT
#961
just saying from my experience that mining is done where energy is cheap and oversupplied and if that was not the case mining would not be sustainable. just research it a bit more and u will see.

price is actually way stronger than expected from this dip... pretty interesting situation. wish had the time to trade this.

we might be breaking out soon, this would be pretty insanely bull... https://imgur.com/a/E3rLk
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 26 2017 07:30 GMT
#962
lol
All that fancy speculation and shit
charts graphs candles theories

People just took money out for christmas hahaha
30k here we come in january
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
December 26 2017 08:31 GMT
#963
On December 26 2017 16:17 Chrono000 wrote:
just saying from my experience that mining is done where energy is cheap and oversupplied and if that was not the case mining would not be sustainable. just research it a bit more and u will see.

price is actually way stronger than expected from this dip... pretty interesting situation. wish had the time to trade this.

we might be breaking out soon, this would be pretty insanely bull... https://imgur.com/a/E3rLk


Of course, how can it be sustainable to burn electricity that costs 10 cents/kwh to generate bitcoins worth 10k$. It was sustainable only when bitcoin costed 300$, while now - impossible.

Please, just stop spreading misinformation. I can understand if you have hard time with logical thinking, but you can always try to find more "raw" information, readily processed.
The copyright of this post belongs solely to me. Nobody else, not teamliquid, not greetech and not even blizzard have any share of this copyright. You can copy, distribute, use in commercial purposes the content of this post or parts of it freely.
Hanh
Profile Joined June 2016
146 Posts
December 26 2017 09:19 GMT
#964
On December 26 2017 17:31 arbiter_md wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2017 16:17 Chrono000 wrote:
just saying from my experience that mining is done where energy is cheap and oversupplied and if that was not the case mining would not be sustainable. just research it a bit more and u will see.

price is actually way stronger than expected from this dip... pretty interesting situation. wish had the time to trade this.

we might be breaking out soon, this would be pretty insanely bull... https://imgur.com/a/E3rLk


Of course, how can it be sustainable to burn electricity that costs 10 cents/kwh to generate bitcoins worth 10k$. It was sustainable only when bitcoin costed 300$, while now - impossible.

Please, just stop spreading misinformation. I can understand if you have hard time with logical thinking, but you can always try to find more "raw" information, readily processed.


Do you know that difficulty adjusts with the hash rate, i.e. electricity usage?
MinoMoto
Profile Joined June 2011
Latvia107 Posts
December 26 2017 10:31 GMT
#965
On December 26 2017 18:19 Hanh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2017 17:31 arbiter_md wrote:
On December 26 2017 16:17 Chrono000 wrote:
just saying from my experience that mining is done where energy is cheap and oversupplied and if that was not the case mining would not be sustainable. just research it a bit more and u will see.

price is actually way stronger than expected from this dip... pretty interesting situation. wish had the time to trade this.

we might be breaking out soon, this would be pretty insanely bull... https://imgur.com/a/E3rLk


Of course, how can it be sustainable to burn electricity that costs 10 cents/kwh to generate bitcoins worth 10k$. It was sustainable only when bitcoin costed 300$, while now - impossible.

Please, just stop spreading misinformation. I can understand if you have hard time with logical thinking, but you can always try to find more "raw" information, readily processed.


Do you know that difficulty adjusts with the hash rate, i.e. electricity usage?

I think he does know what the amount of bitcoin you can farm in a day is shared between all bitcoin miners.So then bitcoin was 300$ it doesn't mean that it was harder to mine in profit.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-26 15:20:56
December 26 2017 14:19 GMT
#966
On December 26 2017 04:30 LemOn wrote:
Wouldn't that be a fail shockeyy?
Segwit will get implemented fees slashed, if people will keep believing with the big players coming in and wide trading available anything below 100k would be a bad sign


And yea it would be, but I was just making fun of some hedge fund owners who claim 40k by end 2018, and then bounced when the dip happened. I definitely see it going up to 30k pretty soon, then it just moving up once again. You also need to remember there is Lightning Network that is coming around too.
Life?
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6248 Posts
December 26 2017 17:22 GMT
#967
That wasn't an actual hedge fund. He wanted to start a hedge fund predicting 40k but then predicted 8k after the crash.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 27 2017 15:36 GMT
#968
Well the crypto game is a winner takes most if not all in the long run , either Bitcoin will keep dominating keep getting dev and eventually will get massively implemented and should be worth 200k+++

Or it will fall behind and tank
Thats in the long term horizon which in this space is just years
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
December 27 2017 17:10 GMT
#969
With the amount of devs working on bitcoin, its not going anywhere.
Life?
A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
January 01 2018 22:02 GMT
#970
bitcoin is gadgety nonsense that makes no sense. I'm warning you guys right now that the whole bitcoin thing reminds me EXACTLY of the buildup to the real estate stock market crash that happened in 2008. Same situation, just a few years later on. When bitcoin tanks, you guys will thank me!
stale trite schlub
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8764 Posts
January 01 2018 23:28 GMT
#971
On January 02 2018 07:02 A3th3r wrote:
bitcoin is gadgety nonsense that makes no sense. I'm warning you guys right now that the whole bitcoin thing reminds me EXACTLY of the buildup to the real estate stock market crash that happened in 2008. Same situation, just a few years later on. When bitcoin tanks, you guys will thank me!

not that im familiar with what real estate is like in usa, but how could this situation possibly be the same as the other markets in usa.
real estate in particular is specific to your country and a simultaneous crash of the stock market is more indicative of a depressing economy in general.
i dont think bitcoin is a particularly "legit" as an investment option but its situation is not like any other standard market.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43210 Posts
January 02 2018 00:10 GMT
#972
It's not similar. He's completely ignorant about bitcoin and also apparently unfamiliar with the word bubble. What he is apparently trying to say is that bitcoin, which is probably a bubble, is comparable to real estate in the US in 2008, which had elements of a bubble. He's unable to provide any details or arguments because this is investing advice coming from someone unfamiliar with the word bubble but he's so lacking in self awareness that he doesn't know that his advice is worthless.

The worst part is that when bitcoin does inevitably suffer some kind of crash he'll somehow feel vindicated. Hell, he probably also predicts sunny days and then brags when July rolls around.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 02 2018 05:15 GMT
#973
sorry kwark, youre wrong on this one. fannie and freddie are giving out a bunch of subprime bitcoins and its causing the market to spiral out of control. pretty soon people won't be able to afford the electricity payments and bitcoin will crumble.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
January 02 2018 22:36 GMT
#974
On January 02 2018 14:15 IgnE wrote:
sorry kwark, youre wrong on this one. fannie and freddie are giving out a bunch of subprime bitcoins and its causing the market to spiral out of control. pretty soon people won't be able to afford the electricity payments and bitcoin will crumble.

I hope not! How will I repay my mortgages and loans I took out to purchase bitcoin if it crumbles!
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
ragnasaur
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States804 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 06:45:36
January 03 2018 22:40 GMT
#975
woops
| (• ◡•)| (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) George Forman doesnt have any fingerprints
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1366 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 02:59:36
January 04 2018 02:48 GMT
#976
Probably not,i assume they convert most of it into cash straight away.

There are not many places irl where you can spend bitcoins,even more so when it comes to products that criminals typically like to purchase. The coin is just a way for them to do the transaction,it is their usercase and it is kinda the only user case. There is also the investor case where you use the coin as an investment vehicle that you can use to invest money in a (for now) growing market and with a hard capped supply. This can be interesting for some people for some times,but it wont last forever. At some point the coin will balance out and then the investor case kinda disappears and only the user case is left. And when the coin starts to fall the usercase could be gone as well,because who will accept currency that will be worth less tomorrow?
The user case needs a stable or a rising coin to be sustainable,the investor case needs a rising coin and the speculator case needs a volatile coin.
Now looks like a good time for speculators,they have a strong case as the coin is very volatile. Very curious how btc will end up in 10 years from now but I strongly doubt it will ever come being close to official currency. There is just to much power and value in the control of currencies,not only for those who hold the control but also for society as a whole. Just imagine how capitalism in the usa would have looked If it would have been based on btc since 1800 lol, you would be back at least 100 years in time.

I dunno,just some random thoughts.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1001 Posts
January 04 2018 05:26 GMT
#977
On December 17 2017 20:48 LemOn wrote:
I find it funny how Bitcoin dominates the news with its measly couple hundreds bn marketcap

But every single US stock index shows clear signs that a big correction is coming , and those are worth trillions and will have huge impacts on everyome.

The question is what happens to Bitcoin when stock markets collapse - is it going to go down with them
Or will it actually have a positive effect ?

The correction's been coming since 2012. You bears predicted 9 out of the last 5 recessions.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
January 06 2018 01:28 GMT
#978
I mean it's standard business cycle right
When your Indexes go up by 20% year after year and credit is super cheap they inevitably will go down at some point
People have gone down shorting way too early though, I don't have a clue when the correction's coming, might take up to 2 maybe even 3 years?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
DarkSpearTriant
Profile Joined January 2018
6 Posts
January 09 2018 02:48 GMT
#979
there's too many alternate CCs now. Everyone is trying to cash in by creating their own coin and this is what will lead to a massive bubble. Idiots trying to get rich quick instead of thru smart long term investing.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 09 2018 04:46 GMT
#980
On January 09 2018 11:48 DarkSpearTriant wrote:
there's too many alternate CCs now. Everyone is trying to cash in by creating their own coin and this is what will lead to a massive bubble. Idiots trying to get rich quick instead of thru smart long term investing.


How do you invest smartly for the long term?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
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