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On February 24 2013 19:01 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote:On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote:
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Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference.
this makes sense.
Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference.
that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes.
I'm just curious, how does one explain those who are attracted to women that most people would normally find unattractive from a biological standpoint? Such as a woman who possesses NO traits whatsoever that would increase the likelihood of passing on their genes.
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On February 24 2013 19:05 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 19:01 sunprince wrote:On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote:On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote:
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Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference.
this makes sense.
Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference.
that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes. I'm just curious, how does one explain those who are attracted to women that most people would normally find unattractive from a biological standpoint? Such as a woman who possesses NO traits whatsoever that would increase the likelihood of passing on their genes.
Evolutionary biology explains why the majority of a given population express certain traits.
That doesn't preclude the existence of exceptions to the rule.
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On February 24 2013 19:05 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 19:01 sunprince wrote:On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote:On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote:
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Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference.
this makes sense.
Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference.
that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes. I'm just curious, how does one explain those who are attracted to women that most people would normally find unattractive from a biological standpoint? Such as a woman who possesses NO traits whatsoever that would increase the likelihood of passing on their genes.
Evolution requires that some new things are tried. Such as some people being attracted to things that most others aren't. If it works, it works. If it doesn't work, they will die out.
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science needs to prove how prettiness comes from actually having desirable evolutionary traits (morals, principles, maternal instincts, some other bio-energy-constructs).
then it'll all make sense.
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On February 24 2013 19:05 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 19:01 sunprince wrote:On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote:On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote:
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Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference.
this makes sense.
Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference.
that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes. I'm just curious, how does one explain those who are attracted to women that most people would normally find unattractive from a biological standpoint? Such as a woman who possesses NO traits whatsoever that would increase the likelihood of passing on their genes.
Genes can be expressed in a number of ways. A combination of genes that expressed in a certain way appear to be counter-productive will be useful in other situations. The overall flow of alleles within a population is quite complex.
One explanation for your hypothetical situation is that kindness is important to the population as a whole, although in some instances it is expressed in an non useful way.
Humans are an interesting case when it comes to our genes because in very recent history we have essentially overcome and altered out entire environment. This makes it difficult as it is quite likely a lot of genes may no longer be useful in modern society.
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i don't think it goes as deep as that sometimes.
some men who go as far as scorning less (physically) attractive women want to experience (or in some cases continue experiencing) the lifestyle that may come from being attractive or from having an attractive mate.
i am saying that sometimes it's as simple as wanting to be sought after and being accepted by people you have a preference for.
i like to think that if any one habit goes unchecked or is relatively unnoticed for a while, you become more and more numb to it in different ways.
a lifestyle centered around money is common (rightfully so), and as more people are tied into it there's more involvement in the process of making that money and growing your 'group'.
i personally tell myself to never buy into superficial beliefs, or to never act the way that i've observed other people acting around women. it's alright to be curious or to try and understand why or what they might do those things for, but i would not want to have my mate deal with how i'd be taking in things at face-value.
you know, you could compare your judgment of other people to having different types of game-sense for starcraft.
honestly, i'd rather stay with the feelings i have now for the gold-digger labels, the shallow labels, and etc.
they do it for a reason--good, bad or inbetween--but it's not something i'd want to ever see myself doing at all
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OP is mixing up personal and general judgements. Men in general judge by looks first and then by personal traits.
I do personally think that favoring money and looks too much is bad.
I can't find myself spending too much time in person I don't respect etc. and the looks have zero affection on how much time I will spend with someone, maybe not to be my SO but if I enjoy time with someone, HEY, it's nice.
e: Fit personal traits make person a lot more beautiful. and everyone hopefully have noticed that in their lives.
e2: Now when I think other people around me I doubt that many people judge by looks mostly. Sounds extremely naive.
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Remember that evolution has more or less stopped by now. The conditions are not as they where before.
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On February 24 2013 19:01 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote:On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote:
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Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference.
this makes sense.
Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference.
that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes.
No, just too many wrongs on this BS.
Let me be a bit more honest and adult here with my reply, so if there are any kids/minors reading this, stay back.
We ask why are men or why am I attracted to pretty women? Lets be honest, attracted here means FUCKING her.
And if I may be even more honest, it means fucking her in the most animal and primal of ways, doggy, chained, titfuck, facial, cream pie, biting her lips, sucking her strawberry tongue, pink nipples, beating her pussy up til she cant walk for a week, etc etc.. You get what I mean, unless you are in grade school and think of attraction as holding hands and smelling her hair.
Genes, fertility, and all those evolutionary bullcrap are secondary and almost unintended side-effects.
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On February 24 2013 23:09 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 19:01 sunprince wrote:On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote:On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote:
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Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference.
this makes sense.
Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference.
that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes. No, just too many wrongs on this BS. Let me be a bit more honest and adult here with my reply, so if there are any kids/minors reading this, stay back. We ask why are men or why am I attracted to pretty women? Lets be honest, attracted here means FUCKING her. And if I may be even more honest, it means fucking her in the most animal and primal of ways, doggy, chained, titfuck, facial, cream pie, biting her lips, sucking her strawberry tongue, pink nipples, beating her pussy up til she cant walk for a week, etc etc.. You get what I mean, unless you are in grade school and think of attraction as holding hands and smelling her hair. Genes, fertility, and all those evolutionary bullcrap are secondary and almost unintended side-effects.
What?
That's really all I can say to that.
On February 24 2013 22:35 llIH wrote:
Remember that evolution has more or less stopped by now. The conditions are not as they where before.
Uh, no. Evolution carries on in full force. Conditions have never stayed the same.
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On February 24 2013 23:16 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 23:09 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 24 2013 19:01 sunprince wrote:On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote:On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote:
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Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference.
this makes sense.
Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference.
that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes. No, just too many wrongs on this BS. Let me be a bit more honest and adult here with my reply, so if there are any kids/minors reading this, stay back. We ask why are men or why am I attracted to pretty women? Lets be honest, attracted here means FUCKING her. And if I may be even more honest, it means fucking her in the most animal and primal of ways, doggy, chained, titfuck, facial, cream pie, biting her lips, sucking her strawberry tongue, pink nipples, beating her pussy up til she cant walk for a week, etc etc.. You get what I mean, unless you are in grade school and think of attraction as holding hands and smelling her hair. Genes, fertility, and all those evolutionary bullcrap are secondary and almost unintended side-effects. What? That's really all I can say to that. Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 22:35 llIH wrote:
Remember that evolution has more or less stopped by now. The conditions are not as they where before. Uh, no. Evolution carries on in full force. Conditions have never stayed the same.
No. It doesn't.... evolution happens by natural selection which to a large extent no longer exists among humans.
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On February 24 2013 23:16 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 23:09 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 24 2013 19:01 sunprince wrote:On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote:On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote:
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Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference.
this makes sense.
Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference.
that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes. No, just too many wrongs on this BS. Let me be a bit more honest and adult here with my reply, so if there are any kids/minors reading this, stay back. We ask why are men or why am I attracted to pretty women? Lets be honest, attracted here means FUCKING her. And if I may be even more honest, it means fucking her in the most animal and primal of ways, doggy, chained, titfuck, facial, cream pie, biting her lips, sucking her strawberry tongue, pink nipples, beating her pussy up til she cant walk for a week, etc etc.. You get what I mean, unless you are in grade school and think of attraction as holding hands and smelling her hair. Genes, fertility, and all those evolutionary bullcrap are secondary and almost unintended side-effects. What? That's really all I can say to that. Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 22:35 llIH wrote:
Remember that evolution has more or less stopped by now. The conditions are not as they where before. Uh, no. Evolution carries on in full force. Conditions have never stayed the same.
Of course not, you can do better than that, here let me help you explain your thoughts by answering these questions:
1. how old are you?
2. do you/have you had a gf/wife before?
3. what is the bottomline why you find a woman attractive?
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On February 24 2013 23:16 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 23:09 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 24 2013 19:01 sunprince wrote:On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote:On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote:
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Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference.
this makes sense.
Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference.
that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes. No, just too many wrongs on this BS. Let me be a bit more honest and adult here with my reply, so if there are any kids/minors reading this, stay back. We ask why are men or why am I attracted to pretty women? Lets be honest, attracted here means FUCKING her. And if I may be even more honest, it means fucking her in the most animal and primal of ways, doggy, chained, titfuck, facial, cream pie, biting her lips, sucking her strawberry tongue, pink nipples, beating her pussy up til she cant walk for a week, etc etc.. You get what I mean, unless you are in grade school and think of attraction as holding hands and smelling her hair. Genes, fertility, and all those evolutionary bullcrap are secondary and almost unintended side-effects. What? That's really all I can say to that. Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 22:35 llIH wrote:
Remember that evolution has more or less stopped by now. The conditions are not as they where before. Uh, no. Evolution carries on in full force. Conditions have never stayed the same.
Yep, where you can see more feminism dominated countries is where you would mostly find more homosexual males because of the pre-pubescent emasculation done to him by a specific or plural female(s). This in turn makes him rethink about female attraction and renders his sexual orientation different.
And vice versa, the region with more masculine men have a less density of homosexuals and more balanced in terms of sexual production. The evolution is a machine that can't be stopped. As matter of fact every day as you are being influenced to do a certain task, you are evolving along with the decision.
User was temp banned for this post.
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No men are attracted to certain women which are considered beautiful because:
1. Symmetry usually means that the person was born without any genetic defects (We consider symmetry plus certain ratios as beauty)
2.And the hips to waist ratio (which usually displays fidelity)
Beauty in itself is not an advantage in a hunter/gatherer society. Beauty is representation of your health. People should really start spouting incorrect information
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If a solid realtionship is created its legit, if a women marrys a man with the clear intention to just get his money its just freakin bad. Same if a man just marrys a young beatiful woman because shes freakin hot
But sure, ur comparison between Income and "Beatuy" is correct and its kinda biological, but it depends on what we make out of it.
In an Episode of "lie to me" they also compared the big income of a man to the beatuy of his woman as the appealing factors
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On February 24 2013 23:30 thezanursic wrote:
No men are attracted to certain women which are considered beautiful because:
1. Symmetry usually means that the person was born without any genetic defects (We consider symmetry plus certain ratios as beauty)
2.And the hips to waist ratio (which usually displays fidelity)
Beauty in itself is not an advantage in a hunter/gatherer society. Beauty is representation of your health. People should really start spouting incorrect information
And contrary to popular belief 2. doesn't mean that men have a skinny preference. Some women have good hip to waist ratios either if they are fat or if they aren't being skinny is a social construct and a good example of that being true is:
Venus of Willendorf and other mother goddess figures
Maybe I read a little bit to much into a single sentence, but still...
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But, if you listen in on any kind of male conversation about women, they predominantly rate women on their looks. Then personality / ability to stand the person bla bla bla comes 2nd.
My physical attraction to a person is based off their personality. I would date a 5 or a 6 with an amazing personality far more than I would date a 9 or 10 with a shitty personality.
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On February 24 2013 22:35 llIH wrote:
Remember that evolution has more or less stopped by now. The conditions are not as they where before.
Uh what? No it hasn't, what evidence do you have that evolution has stopped? Sure the game has changed a little bit, medicine has advanced the human lifespan drastically and weak traits that would be weeded out by natural selection are now cureable, treatable or no longer such a huge obstacle, but of course evolution still happens.
More attractive people will on average have more children so these attractive traits will be passed on, and some genes are going to become less common in the next 100 years, while others become more common, that is evolution.
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Why is there so much judgement involved in this discussion?
Couldn't you just say that you wouldn't want to have a woman who wants you for you money, without condemning the notion that some women are attracted to wealth?
I think it's rather presumptuous to imply that attraction based on X is morally inferiour to attraction based on Y.
For instance: as an ugly, poor person, any attraction felt towards me is based on despair meeting opportunity.
If I were to scrutinize the issue, I could do only harm.
So just stop being so self-righteous and try not to overthink such primal issues. You won't adequately understand them anyway and if you did you probably wouldn't like the result.
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On February 24 2013 23:59 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 22:35 llIH wrote:
Remember that evolution has more or less stopped by now. The conditions are not as they where before. Uh what? No it hasn't, what evidence do you have that evolution has stopped? Sure the game has changed a little bit, medicine has advanced the human lifespan drastically and weak traits that would be weeded out by natural selection are now cureable, treatable or no longer such a huge obstacle, but of course evolution still happens. More attractive people will on average have more children so these attractive traits will be passed on, and some genes are going to become less common in the next 100 years, while others become more common, that is evolution.
Many people seem to believe that evolution has stopped for us because there are some people who would have died had they been born in the past and now they're allowed to survive. To say that it stopped is ridiculous and I don't know why anybody would believe that outright, but it's true that modern medicine kind of manipulates natural selection.
So we survive when we should have died, we're fertile when we would have been sterile, etc. By no means does that "stop" evolution, obviously. Like you said, there are still traits which are favored and whatnot.
So I too am interested to know what would make people think that evolution stopped. Hopefully we won't be subjected to the good ole argument that "have you ever seen a fish give birth to a dog". =P
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