EPTAnd to OP point is kind of irrelevant because good-looks are different than having money. Having good looks is a natural biological factor that goes to the roots of every organism, even birds choose mates with attractive feathers. Money is different, its a superficial element created by man to judge one's worth. That's different than a biological factor attracting us to one another. That's why choosing someone for money is considered more superficial.
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ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
And to OP point is kind of irrelevant because good-looks are different than having money. Having good looks is a natural biological factor that goes to the roots of every organism, even birds choose mates with attractive feathers. Money is different, its a superficial element created by man to judge one's worth. That's different than a biological factor attracting us to one another. That's why choosing someone for money is considered more superficial. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On February 24 2013 13:40 IPA wrote: This is one of the more ridiculous things I've read on TL. I would say rather that it's one of the dumbest things I've read anywhere in my entire life. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On February 24 2013 13:40 IPA wrote: This is one of the more ridiculous things I've read on TL. How is it not? I am so baffled right now. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
On February 24 2013 14:14 forsooth wrote: I would say rather that it's one of the dumbest things I've read anywhere in my entire life. While I agree that's a naive thing to say, money and success can definitely boost your character if used the right way. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On February 24 2013 14:35 billy5000 wrote: While I agree that's a naive thing to say, money and success can definitely boost your character if used the right way. You could literally say the exact statement with ALMOST ANYTHING inserted in place of 'money and success' aside from like rape and murder. It's really not saying a lot. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On February 24 2013 14:37 red_ wrote: You could literally say the exact statement with ALMOST ANYTHING inserted in place of 'money and success' aside from like rape and murder. It's really not saying a lot. Money and success don't even say anything about character anyway...what you do with your money and your success might however. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On February 24 2013 14:35 billy5000 wrote: While I agree that's a naive thing to say, money and success can definitely boost your character if used the right way. Your character is what it is regardless of whether or not you have money. What you choose to do with wealth is nothing but a manifestation of what's already inside you. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On February 24 2013 14:44 kmillz wrote: Money and success don't even say anything about character anyway...what you do with your money and your success might however. Not everyone agree's with the Christian interpretation that only altruism reflects positive character. Some people actually experience elation when someone exhibits superior ability. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
On February 24 2013 14:46 forsooth wrote: Your character is what it is regardless of whether or not you have money. What you choose to do with wealth is nothing but a manifestation of what's already inside you. My point was that wealth creates more opportunities for a person to build his character. In other words, it can amplify a person's character more than someone without it. Compare a person who's living paycheck to paycheck and doesn't have the time to really "give back to the community" (or something else along the lines) other than what he can manage at the time, and someone who has enough time to commit his time to wholeheartedly help. The latter is more likely to be noticed as someone of character than the former. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On February 24 2013 15:00 billy5000 wrote: My point was that wealth creates more opportunities for a person to build his character. In other words, it can amplify a person's character more than someone without it. Compare a person who's living paycheck to paycheck and doesn't have the time to really "give back to the community" (or something else along the lines) other than what he can manage at the time, and someone who has enough time to commit his time to wholeheartedly help. The latter is more likely to be noticed as someone of character than the former. You sir, have just made an argument against yourself; that is a good reason why money and success might actually be terrible measures of character. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
On February 24 2013 15:26 red_ wrote: You sir, have just made an argument against yourself; that is a good reason why money and success might actually be terrible measures of character. No I haven't, because I don't consider myself as someone of character, and this is how I see it. You did a fine job making me realize that deep inside I'm a real tool, though. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On February 24 2013 14:57 smokeyhoodoo wrote: Not everyone agree's with the Christian interpretation that only altruism reflects positive character. Some people actually experience elation when someone exhibits superior ability. Do you experience elation when you state the obvious? I never said that strictly altruism reflects positive character, only that it might. Does being successful at something mean you're a good person? Not at all. You could be the best in the world at what you do and still go home and beat your wife. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
On February 22 2013 03:50 Tien wrote: [...] Women attracted to men with money because their lifestyle / children will be taken cared of. Is this a bad thing? No. It's just personal preference. this makes sense. Men attracted to beautiful women because they will have attractive offspring. Is this a bad thing? Nope, personal preference. that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On February 24 2013 17:38 kmillz wrote: Do you experience elation when you state the obvious? I never said that strictly altruism reflects positive character, only that it might. So how does success not say something positive about someones character? This is honestly blowing my freaking mind here. What exactly is obvious? What I thought was obvious moments ago has been contradicted by you. Perhaps I shouldn't assume what is obvious between us as we are seemingly worlds apart. Concerning your edit. Look up what character means, and determine which definition is being used when us naive folks say success reflects good character. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On February 24 2013 17:47 smokeyhoodoo wrote: So how does success not say something positive about someones character? This is honestly blowing my freaking mind here. What exactly is obvious? What I thought was obvious moments ago has been contradicted by you. Perhaps I shouldn't assume what is obvious between us as we are seemingly worlds apart. The obvious: Not everyone agree's with the Christian interpretation that only altruism reflects positive character. Kind of a no-brainer and selflessness =/= being a Christian...not to mention I'm an atheist so I'm not sure why you brought up religion. Being good at something doesn't make you a good person. Treating others with kindness and respect does. edit: just realized this is going to end up being an argument on semantics, because technically the definition of character does vary >_> I always thought of it as how you treat other people and what you do when no one is looking, not how good at your job/sport/whatever you are. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On February 24 2013 17:47 smokeyhoodoo wrote: So how does success not say something positive about someones character? This is honestly blowing my freaking mind here. What exactly is obvious? What I thought was obvious moments ago has been contradicted by you. Perhaps I shouldn't assume what is obvious between us as we are seemingly worlds apart. Concerning your edit. Look up what character means, and determine which definition is being used when us naive folks say success reflects good character. I don't understand why ppl are treating money/success and character as independent variables. passion/drive and persistence are key to being successful. Thus when a woman sees a man with money/success, it can indirectly clue her into his way of life and his drive/desire to be great and not just some average joe. Obviously there are people just born into wealth, and there are those who are strong characters but cannot obtain wealth due to circumstance, however for the vast majority of people I say wealth and character are strongly correlated. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On February 24 2013 18:01 biology]major wrote: I don't understand why ppl are treating money/success and character as independent variables. passion/drive and persistence are key to being successful. Thus when a woman sees a man with money/success, it can indirectly clue her into his way of life and his drive/desire to be great and not just some average joe. Obviously there are people just born into wealth, and there are those who are strong characters but cannot obtain wealth due to circumstance, however for the vast majority of people I say wealth and character are strongly correlated. They confused definitions and then called us stupid, when their was ample context to infer the meaning intended. All this is is a failure in reading comprehension. I personally think their immediate assumption and understanding of the term "character" says a lot about their character. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On February 24 2013 18:01 biology]major wrote: I don't understand why ppl are treating money/success and character as independent variables. passion/drive and persistence are key to being successful. Thus when a woman sees a man with money/success, it can indirectly clue her into his way of life and his drive/desire to be great and not just some average joe. Obviously there are people just born into wealth, and there are those who are strong characters but cannot obtain wealth due to circumstance, however for the vast majority of people I say wealth and character are strongly correlated. Sure, they could be correlated, but they aren't the same thing. Your examples aren't exactly anomalies.. Having positive characteristics (tall, muscular, wealthy, athletic, etc...) and having positive character (honest, polite, caring, etc...) are, to my understanding, different things. Character: Character refers especially to moral qualities, ethical standards, principles, and the like: a man of sterling character. Individuality refers to the distinctive qualities that make one recognizable as a person differentiated from others: a woman of strong individuality. Personality refers particularly to the combination of outer and inner characteristics that determine the impression that a person makes upon others: a child of vivid or pleasing personality. 5. name, repute. See reputation. 14. sign. Characteristic: 1. a distinguishing quality, attribute, or trait I mean if I'm wrong I'm wrong but I really am having a hard time understanding it any other way, maybe I am biased because I'm poor but like to think of myself as a great husband? Lol.. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On February 24 2013 17:46 Navane wrote: this makes sense. that is a circular argument. Men likes x in women so x will be given to the next generation and future men will like the next generation because it has x. X can be anything genetic here. Correct. The real reason that men are attracted to beautiful women is because beauty implies youh, health, and fertility, all of which increase the likelihood of passing on their genes. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On February 24 2013 15:26 red_ wrote: You sir, have just made an argument against yourself; that is a good reason why money and success might actually be terrible measures of character. Your definitions are confused. Whether or not money and success imply "good" or "bad" things about a person's character, does not imply they are not useful at measuring character. | ||
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