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On February 05 2013 03:27 Hitch-22 wrote:
hypothetically a streamer could set up two different streams and call one "PREMIUM" where he plays adds the entire time gaining impressions while no one actually watches any adds and the other stream is his regular "commerical every 20-30 minutes" kinda deal.
#profit?
This idea has definitely occured to me. I'd be happy to run Internet Explorer muted in the background whenever i'm on watching an only-ads stream to support certain streamers. The problem with this is that when some people do it, the streamer makes money. When everybody does it, the ad partners give up and don't provide ads which screws the streamers (and twitch). Don't forget that the ad partners expect (quite reasonably, I might add) to get something out of this, not just pay money.
RE: twitch app for android: Sure it isn't perfect but I can watch most streams (that I care about) at 720p lag-free and ad-free at my convenience. I use it a lot and I like it. Sure there could be better features but I'm grateful all the time that twitch has provided this service utterly free of charge that (as far as I know) generates them 0 revenue (no ads) and costs them some non-0 amount of money to fund.
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Poland3775 Posts
with name like this i expected turbo users would have better anti lag quality or s.t.
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Isnt this better for broadcasters in general since some people that have Turbo had adblock before, and now they are being counted as if they have seen the ad, am I right?
I'll be turbo in a couple days to support all my favorite broadcasters and not have to subscribe to all of them 
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Interesting idea. But I don't want the features more than the money. Go back to the drawing boards Twitch. Why would I subscribe to a stream and pay for Turbo too? I like that they are trying things though. They are pioneering a new market. The features aren't there for me though.
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On February 05 2013 03:16 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
I don't understand this whole Ad Block thing... you can't sit there and watch a 20 seconds commercial once in a while to support the streamers? Or like someone mentioned, mute a commercial and do something else on the internet or even get up for a few seconds and do something outside of your pc...
why do people use Ad Block....?
ads are like injecting shit to your brain
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Meh, seems okay. The only legitimate feature I think it may or may not be worth paying for is just the ad revenue thing. I'd probably get it if it was like $5-6/month, but I don't feel like paying $100 a year for something like that. I'd honestly just prefer to adblock and donate to my favourite streamers.
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On February 05 2013 00:09 Grettin wrote:Here is the announcementShow nested quote +Ad-free Twitch: No pre-rolls, no mid-rolls, no companions, no display ads, and broadcasters still get paid. All you see are front-page takeovers. All i hope is that Twitch won't turn for the same as Justin.tv. If you aren't subscriber, you won't be able to watch a certain stream sometimes because of the limit where X amount of people are able to watch the stream from your country, or whatever it is. But i doubt that will happen.
This will never happen!
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Owned is down and Twitch gets more $$$
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On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Thanks for the kind words, Victor. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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This will also help ad-based channels because twitch currently (I believe) has more ad spots than it has ads to show. I could be wrong, but assuming that's true, there are times when it's an ad point but no ad comes up. That means no money. Now you're getting paid for ads shown to the turbo users *without* them using up one of twitch's available ads, meaning that they run out less quickly and there's more total money.
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Personally I don't watch any single channel enough to justify shelling out $5 a month. Paying $9 a month to actually support streams I watch is a great option (Twitch's video ad inventory for Ukraine consists of one vodka brand and in past occasional IEM ads)
And well, I can feel less guilt over using Adblock (to not see the same vodka ad over and over again)
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I'm interested to see the polling data/response that suggests people will donate/subscribe to streamers they support - it has really great implications.
I really like Victor's point that it also gives subscriber channels an incentive to step up their content and offer something more to their subscribers. I've been more tempted to subscribe to channels that have raffles or extra content for subscribers, rather than a subscription that is no different than a donation. When I see a channel with a subscribe button, but all it does is alleviate ads, I'm not driven to subscribe.
On top of Turbo, I'm interested to see if Twitch will offer more features other than 'no-ads'.
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This has big impact on the streamers, I bet if Own3d was still around they wouldnt try this. Many would have switched if Own3d payed on time.
More money for Twitch less for the streamers. They only way this would be good is if they take the same percentage as a sub to a channel and divide the rest to channels chosen by the subscriber.
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On February 05 2013 03:55 DeadBull wrote:
Isnt Ad-Block free ?
Yup
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On February 05 2013 04:02 FishStix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:09 Grettin wrote:Here is the announcementAd-free Twitch: No pre-rolls, no mid-rolls, no companions, no display ads, and broadcasters still get paid. All you see are front-page takeovers. All i hope is that Twitch won't turn for the same as Justin.tv. If you aren't subscriber, you won't be able to watch a certain stream sometimes because of the limit where X amount of people are able to watch the stream from your country, or whatever it is. But i doubt that will happen. This will never happen!
Thanks for assuring me Fishstix. 
Guess the Turbo is now available - http://www.twitch.tv/products/turbo
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Its safe to say Twitch Turbo has a long development cycle ahead of it. I can't speak to any specifics, but we're gathering as much feedback as possible about cool features and additions we can add to make Turbo a more compelling and beneficial product.
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On February 05 2013 03:45 vividred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 03:16 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
I don't understand this whole Ad Block thing... you can't sit there and watch a 20 seconds commercial once in a while to support the streamers? Or like someone mentioned, mute a commercial and do something else on the internet or even get up for a few seconds and do something outside of your pc...
why do people use Ad Block....? ads are like injecting shit to your brain
ads support esports and your favorite players/streamers. They should really come up with a better way to encourage people to disable adblock when watching streamers.
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On February 05 2013 03:45 vividred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 03:16 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
I don't understand this whole Ad Block thing... you can't sit there and watch a 20 seconds commercial once in a while to support the streamers? Or like someone mentioned, mute a commercial and do something else on the internet or even get up for a few seconds and do something outside of your pc...
why do people use Ad Block....? ads are like injecting shit to your brain
Well the comment you quoted is wrong in that way that when a concept like "advertisement" is not working on human beings, then there's something wrong with the operationalisation of advertisements. There's never anything wrong with humans, because human nature is a fact and nothing you will be able to change easily, therefore you shouldn't argue to change human nature, but rather adapt your advertisements to the needs of humans.
I, for example, really don't care if there is some visual ads between games or every once in a while, but i'm really annoyed by audio ads, especially when they're loud, stupid and hysterical, like 90% of the ad creators believe their ads should actually be.
So if there was a option for gentle ads that don't annoy me, I'd totally enable it to support things that i find worthy of supporting, but as it is i use ad blocker or just don't watch streams.
And don't underestimate the willingness of people to endure advertisement that they find acceptable, if it supports something that they find worthy of support. If there'd be options how to limit the exposure of ads, they wouldn't automatically go for the lowest, but rather go for something that is a good compromise between support and tolerance.
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I hope the new emoticon set includes lots of dog faces.
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