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I think this is a neat service and I might end up paying but it feel weird that twitch will cost me more per month than netflix lol.
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On February 05 2013 00:02 yorkey wrote:
I've recently read that twitch have announced a turbo feature to their site, which is a premium service in which you pay $8.99 a month to not see adverts on their site.
Now i'm based in the UK and i don't see this when i access twitch so is it just a US thing currently?
So firstly i'm wondering if this is actually a thing or if it's just very new.
I like the idea of this service but what i'm wondering is who does this money go to? I never block adverts on streams as i know it brings in some money to the streamer and i like to support them as much as possible.
So my worry is, if I was to buy this service do the streamers lose out on money from adverts i could be watching?
Why pay them 8.99 per month when you can just use adblock? It's free.
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On February 05 2013 00:46 LingBlingBling wrote:
This screws over the pro gamer streams that make a big chunk of their living off subs/ad revenue
Twitch is greedy as hell, feel bad for the people who get screwed over by this, seems like all stream sites are geting greedy and screwing over the people who make them money, Hope twitch does not get closed down like own3d did when youtube streams go live. Impossible for people to make money now with twitch.
And why is that? Please explain.
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This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
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Don't bite the hand that feeds one.
If i recall correctly, eSport made Twitch successful. If streamers start complaining about huge income losses, viewers should let twitch (and justin tv) die. There will be alternative streaming site by then.
But i hope it's just a field experience with a short lifespan, as i like them.
If somehow esport is benefited, it's fine too. Let's see how it turns out.
Edit: nvm, after i read .. D;
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Based on napkin math: You'd have to watch about 150 ads (10ish hours) on twitch every day for even half of that money to go to the actual streamers. I watch about 2 hours a week at best (not counting actual tournaments), meaning that something like 98% of the subscription would go straight to twitch.
To me it seems extremely overpriced for the service it provides, especially when a free program offers the same. If they want to lure people away from things like adblock, they need to offer a much more minimal fee.
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On February 05 2013 00:46 LingBlingBling wrote:
This screws over the pro gamer streams that make a big chunk of their living off subs/ad revenue
Twitch is greedy as hell, feel bad for the people who get screwed over by this, seems like all stream sites are geting greedy and screwing over the people who make them money, Hope twitch does not get closed down like own3d did when youtube streams go live. Impossible for people to make money now with twitch.
Or, it doesn't really affect them at all? The only effect this might have is that people are more likely to buy a twitch turbo subscription instead of a subscription for an individual stream to block ads. There's still the option of higher resolutions for premium users for those so inclined or other incentives like day9 running subscriber only monobattles.
If anything, it's minimal.
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On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ?
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On February 05 2013 01:12 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ?
Remember desrow, as Nazgual stated majority of subs are subs because they want to support you directly. If it was a simple case of "I don't want ads" they would just use adblock. You should still have quite similar subscriber numbers as well as the fact as those who were once on ad block and now who use turbo views will help increase your revenue.
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On February 05 2013 01:19 Mitchlew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 01:12 FXOdesRow wrote:On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ? Remember desrow, as Nazgual stated majority of subs are subs because they want to support you directly. If it was a simple case of "I don't want ads" they would just use adblock. You should still have quite similar subscriber numbers as well as the fact as those who were once on ad block and now who use turbo views will help increase your revenue.
This is for the current subscribers. That poll was made for those who are already paying. what about potential new subscribers ? I have no way to make someone subscribe to my channel in the future when they are already paying 9$ for no ads across the whole twitch platform. This kills the growth of every broadcaster on twitch who offers perks and tries to sell subs.
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On February 05 2013 01:19 Mitchlew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 01:12 FXOdesRow wrote:On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ? Remember desrow, as Nazgual stated majority of subs are subs because they want to support you directly. If it was a simple case of "I don't want ads" they would just use adblock. You should still have quite similar subscriber numbers as well as the fact as those who were once on ad block and now who use turbo views will help increase your revenue.
So what exactly is the majority in this case? Is it 51%+ or 99%?
If 99% would still subscribe to single channels, this would indeed not be an issue, but what if the majority is 60%?
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On February 05 2013 01:23 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 01:19 Mitchlew wrote:On February 05 2013 01:12 FXOdesRow wrote:On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ? Remember desrow, as Nazgual stated majority of subs are subs because they want to support you directly. If it was a simple case of "I don't want ads" they would just use adblock. You should still have quite similar subscriber numbers as well as the fact as those who were once on ad block and now who use turbo views will help increase your revenue. This is for the current subscribers. That poll was made for those who are already paying. what about potential new subscribers ? I have no way to make someone subscribe to my channel in the future when they are already paying 9$ for no ads across the whole twitch platform. This kills the growth of every broadcaster on twitch who offers perks and tries to sell subs.
What about other incentives? Subscriber only chat during peak hours, playing FFAs with random subscribers for 2 hours weekly. There's still ways.
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On February 05 2013 01:12 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ?
I think Twitch is seeing a specific channel subscriber as a different beast than an overall Twitch Turbo user. It's quite possible you will make more money because of the turbo users being counted as ad watchers. That works great for users that watch a variety of channels and don't watch enough of one channel to subscribe to it. So you as the streamer will get a bit more revenue that way (maybe not a lot), and that type of user wouldn't normally be subscribing to your channel anyway.
Users that want to subscribe to specific individuals I'm guessing are doing it as a support of that individual rather than subscribing for features. I don't think you'll lose many of those types of subscribers switching over to Turbo.
As for myself, I'm fine with it but I'm going to need a little bit more value added before I pay $9/month.
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On February 05 2013 00:51 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:02 yorkey wrote:
I've recently read that twitch have announced a turbo feature to their site, which is a premium service in which you pay $8.99 a month to not see adverts on their site.
Now i'm based in the UK and i don't see this when i access twitch so is it just a US thing currently?
So firstly i'm wondering if this is actually a thing or if it's just very new.
I like the idea of this service but what i'm wondering is who does this money go to? I never block adverts on streams as i know it brings in some money to the streamer and i like to support them as much as possible.
So my worry is, if I was to buy this service do the streamers lose out on money from adverts i could be watching? Why pay them 8.99 per month when you can just use adblock? It's free.
If that's the attitude you are taking then they would never get any money from you anyway. There are too many people who try to find a justification for their ad blocking and now at least there is not even the slimmest excuse for that. It's very similar to the "piracy is a service problem" thing. There is now a convenient, easily affordable way to block out all ads without depriving twitch or the broadcaster of the income they deserve. If you ignore that and continue to ad block then you are just scum. And people like that will always exist, nothing can done about that, the hope is that there are enough decent people willing to pay for this to be a net gain for everyone involved in streaming.
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On February 05 2013 01:23 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 01:19 Mitchlew wrote:On February 05 2013 01:12 FXOdesRow wrote:On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ? Remember desrow, as Nazgual stated majority of subs are subs because they want to support you directly. If it was a simple case of "I don't want ads" they would just use adblock. You should still have quite similar subscriber numbers as well as the fact as those who were once on ad block and now who use turbo views will help increase your revenue. This is for the current subscribers. That poll was made for those who are already paying. what about potential new subscribers ? I have no way to make someone subscribe to my channel in the future when they are already paying 9$ for no ads across the whole twitch platform. This kills the growth of every broadcaster on twitch who offers perks and tries to sell subs.
This is a valid point. But you still do have ways. I personally watch your stream a lot and would subscribe if I wasn't a poor uni student. You have a personality that people like. As new people tune into your stream even if they have use turbo and like you a lot they will want to subscribe and support you. However I do agree people are less inclined to subscribe under the new system, to say there is no way you can gain subscribers is wrong. Also think about what else you can offer subscribers that twitch can't. I know you do build orders etc. Maybe do some other things to attract more subs?
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With this Twitch Turbo option coming, any word if channel owners will get a slightly higher percentage of the individual channel subs? Since there's now a way to disable ads for all twitch sites, an individual channel sub would potentially mean more to the content producer than before Turbo.
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On February 05 2013 01:26 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 01:23 FXOdesRow wrote:On February 05 2013 01:19 Mitchlew wrote:On February 05 2013 01:12 FXOdesRow wrote:On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ? Remember desrow, as Nazgual stated majority of subs are subs because they want to support you directly. If it was a simple case of "I don't want ads" they would just use adblock. You should still have quite similar subscriber numbers as well as the fact as those who were once on ad block and now who use turbo views will help increase your revenue. This is for the current subscribers. That poll was made for those who are already paying. what about potential new subscribers ? I have no way to make someone subscribe to my channel in the future when they are already paying 9$ for no ads across the whole twitch platform. This kills the growth of every broadcaster on twitch who offers perks and tries to sell subs. What about other incentives? Subscriber only chat during peak hours, playing FFAs with random subscribers for 2 hours weekly. There's still ways.
This only works for really big channel. Small and medium size channel will make their viewers angry. I offer so many perks and I have a pretty good sub count. It's 1/3 of my revenue currently.
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On February 05 2013 01:40 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 01:26 Martijn wrote:On February 05 2013 01:23 FXOdesRow wrote:On February 05 2013 01:19 Mitchlew wrote:On February 05 2013 01:12 FXOdesRow wrote:On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ? Remember desrow, as Nazgual stated majority of subs are subs because they want to support you directly. If it was a simple case of "I don't want ads" they would just use adblock. You should still have quite similar subscriber numbers as well as the fact as those who were once on ad block and now who use turbo views will help increase your revenue. This is for the current subscribers. That poll was made for those who are already paying. what about potential new subscribers ? I have no way to make someone subscribe to my channel in the future when they are already paying 9$ for no ads across the whole twitch platform. This kills the growth of every broadcaster on twitch who offers perks and tries to sell subs. What about other incentives? Subscriber only chat during peak hours, playing FFAs with random subscribers for 2 hours weekly. There's still ways. This only works for really big channel. Small and medium size channel will make their viewers angry. I offer so many perks and I have a pretty good sub count. It's 1/3 of my revenue currently.
Well those perks won't change right? You've still got almost all your options, only thing that changes is that getting rid of ads isn't a motivator anymore.
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On February 05 2013 01:12 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This should lead to a minor improvement in revenue for the regular channels (i.e. 99% of the player streams you watch). The channels will get paid for their ads ran to Turbo users as if the ad was actually seen. This means that if someone previous ad-blocked and now has Turbo, he will count as an ad to the regular channel.
It may be tough on subscriber channels losing some members who prefer to pay for Turbo instead. With polling done by Twitch they state that the majority of subscribers pay because they want to support the channels, and less so for the ad removal. Twitch will be able to monitor what this does to those channels, and hopefully come up with something for it if it turns out to be an issue. It would be kind of cool if you had 3 slots with $1 to give to a channel with subscribers on Twitch.
It needs to be mentioned that Twitch is massive compared to the subscriber channels, and that this is a really important move for their overall business model. It is not an evil business model at all, in fact if they had never offered channels the option to get subscribers (which they didn't need to) then everything would look entirely normal. Sometimes the right move can impact people negatively, but it is important to see things in the right perspective.
Although this isn't great for us (TSL+ had a no ads feature, plans with the player channels) I want to say that I support Twitch doing this. Before anything else; we should all want Twitch to have a healthy business model. There is no doubt this is the right choice for a company like Twitch, and hopefully that will find its way back to our scene in one way or another.
Twitch already takes 50% of the subs money. If they would take 20% I'd be okay with twitch turbo but for now they are undercutting heavily the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for twitch to make money on. I agree it's good for the users and for them but what about us ?
Hopefully if it turns out to impact you negatively Twitch will work on an implementation that takes care of the subscriber channels. As far as I know they're entirely open to monitoring how this plays out for your channel.
Playing to peoples emotions by basically saying "subscriber channels are the broadcasters who at the end of the day provide the content for Twitch", is rather unfair to all those channels who don't have a deal like yours. The vast majority of content creators are not negatively impacted by this (in fact slightly positive impact for them). When you say "us" you are only talking about a handful of channels (most of which are financially better off than every other content creator without a subscription deal).
Maybe it pushes subscriber channels to start providing content specifically for their subscribers such as giveaways, Q&A with their subs, etc, in order not to rely on users wanting to remove Twitch ads. We have subscription plans for our players too so I'm in the same boat as you there. If we do subscription channels I would like to see my players try and offer something of value to their fans that they can be happy with, created by ourselves.
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In return they should decrease their cut of sub revenue. If sub is to be mostly for support instead of ad removal it should be that way.
However, Twitch have no reason to help out people like desrow in that way. Where would he go to make more money? Twitch is still the best deal.
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