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On April 14 2013 04:55 Jan1997 wrote:
Well we're getting close to april the 15th. Im starting to get really curious if they are actually going to war of if they'll chicken out. From the looks of it, it can go either way. I wouldnt be scared of north korea if i lived in south though. The fact that south is being backed up by the us gives them alot of comfort in the event of a war.
I doubt that the people the people in Seoul will take much solace in American support given that thousands of North Korean artillery pieces are trained on the city.
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On April 14 2013 04:51 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:38 Grettin wrote:U.S., China agree on North Korea denuclearization push+ Show Spoiler +Reuters) - The United States and China agreed on Saturday to make a joint effort to push for the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, following weeks of bellicose rhetoric from North Korea and rising tensions in northeast Asia.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met China's top leaders in a bid to persuade them to exert pressure on North Korea, whose main diplomatic supporter is Beijing, to scale back its belligerence and, eventually, return to nuclear talks.
Before travelling to Beijing for the first time as secretary of state, Kerry had made no secret of his desire to see China take a more active stance towards North Korea, which in recent weeks has threatened nuclear war against the United States and South Korea.
Kerry and China's top diplomat, State Councillor Yang Jiechi, said both countries supported the goal of denuclearizing the Korean peninsula.
"We are able, the United States and China, to underscore our joint commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula in a peaceful manner," Kerry told reporters, standing next to Yang at a state guesthouse in western Beijing.
But North Korea has repeatedly said it will not abandon nuclear weapons which it described on Friday as its "treasured" guarantor of security.
Yang said China's stance on maintaining peace and stability on the peninsula was clear and consistent.
"We maintain that the issue should be handled and resolved peacefully through dialogue and consultation. To properly address the Korea nuclear issue serves the common interests of all parties. It is also the shared responsibility of all parties," he said, speaking through an interpreter.
"China will work with other relevant parties, including the United States, to play a constructive role in promoting the six-party talks and balanced implementation of the goals set out in the September 19 joint statement of 2005."
Reuters Here is another interesting exceprt from that article: Show nested quote +China's Xinhua news agency said in a commentary that Washington had itself been "fanning the flames" on the Korean peninsula with its shows of force.
"It keeps sending more fighters, bombers and missile-defence ships to the waters of East Asia and carrying out massive military drills with Asian allies in a dramatic display of preemptive power," it said.
Chinese state television quoted Premier Li Keqiang as telling Kerry that rising tensions on the Korean peninsula were in nobody's interests, in apparent reference to both Washington and Pyongyang to dial down the war of words.
"All sides must bear responsibility for maintaining regional peace and stability and be responsible for the consequences," the television report paraphrased Li as saying.
"Disturbances and provocation on the peninsula and regionally will harm the interests of all sides, which is like lifting a rock only to drop it on one's feet." Sounds like China holds the US responsible for a lot of North Korea's rhetoric, and is taking the side of peace rather than siding with the U.S.
Maybe next time they'll throw in a 'thank you' for keeping SK and Japan from developing nuclear weapons.
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On April 14 2013 05:56 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:51 Joedaddy wrote:On April 14 2013 01:38 Grettin wrote:U.S., China agree on North Korea denuclearization push+ Show Spoiler +Reuters) - The United States and China agreed on Saturday to make a joint effort to push for the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, following weeks of bellicose rhetoric from North Korea and rising tensions in northeast Asia.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met China's top leaders in a bid to persuade them to exert pressure on North Korea, whose main diplomatic supporter is Beijing, to scale back its belligerence and, eventually, return to nuclear talks.
Before travelling to Beijing for the first time as secretary of state, Kerry had made no secret of his desire to see China take a more active stance towards North Korea, which in recent weeks has threatened nuclear war against the United States and South Korea.
Kerry and China's top diplomat, State Councillor Yang Jiechi, said both countries supported the goal of denuclearizing the Korean peninsula.
"We are able, the United States and China, to underscore our joint commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula in a peaceful manner," Kerry told reporters, standing next to Yang at a state guesthouse in western Beijing.
But North Korea has repeatedly said it will not abandon nuclear weapons which it described on Friday as its "treasured" guarantor of security.
Yang said China's stance on maintaining peace and stability on the peninsula was clear and consistent.
"We maintain that the issue should be handled and resolved peacefully through dialogue and consultation. To properly address the Korea nuclear issue serves the common interests of all parties. It is also the shared responsibility of all parties," he said, speaking through an interpreter.
"China will work with other relevant parties, including the United States, to play a constructive role in promoting the six-party talks and balanced implementation of the goals set out in the September 19 joint statement of 2005."
Reuters Here is another interesting exceprt from that article: China's Xinhua news agency said in a commentary that Washington had itself been "fanning the flames" on the Korean peninsula with its shows of force.
"It keeps sending more fighters, bombers and missile-defence ships to the waters of East Asia and carrying out massive military drills with Asian allies in a dramatic display of preemptive power," it said.
Chinese state television quoted Premier Li Keqiang as telling Kerry that rising tensions on the Korean peninsula were in nobody's interests, in apparent reference to both Washington and Pyongyang to dial down the war of words.
"All sides must bear responsibility for maintaining regional peace and stability and be responsible for the consequences," the television report paraphrased Li as saying.
"Disturbances and provocation on the peninsula and regionally will harm the interests of all sides, which is like lifting a rock only to drop it on one's feet." Sounds like China holds the US responsible for a lot of North Korea's rhetoric, and is taking the side of peace rather than siding with the U.S. Maybe next time they'll throw in a 'thank you' for keeping SK and Japan from developing nuclear weapons.
If they did there countries would be part of china by now...
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N. Korea's leader not seen in public for 2 weeks
North Korea's young leader Kim Jong-un has not been seen in public over the past two weeks, setting off speculation that he might be tempted to tone down fiery threats of provocations, according to sources and an analyst on Sunday.
Kim's absence from the public eye, judged by the North's choreographed media reports, was not unusual, but this month's disappearance from public view comes amid heightened tensions on the Korean Peninsula as Pyongyang is expected to launch a mid-range ballistic missile.
Interesting.. :DYonhap
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From what I'm reading in the news and whatnot, it seems like things are cooling off, which is of no surprise to me. Just the typical NK crying.
On April 14 2013 06:17 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 05:56 Derez wrote:On April 14 2013 04:51 Joedaddy wrote:On April 14 2013 01:38 Grettin wrote:U.S., China agree on North Korea denuclearization push+ Show Spoiler +Reuters) - The United States and China agreed on Saturday to make a joint effort to push for the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, following weeks of bellicose rhetoric from North Korea and rising tensions in northeast Asia.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met China's top leaders in a bid to persuade them to exert pressure on North Korea, whose main diplomatic supporter is Beijing, to scale back its belligerence and, eventually, return to nuclear talks.
Before travelling to Beijing for the first time as secretary of state, Kerry had made no secret of his desire to see China take a more active stance towards North Korea, which in recent weeks has threatened nuclear war against the United States and South Korea.
Kerry and China's top diplomat, State Councillor Yang Jiechi, said both countries supported the goal of denuclearizing the Korean peninsula.
"We are able, the United States and China, to underscore our joint commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula in a peaceful manner," Kerry told reporters, standing next to Yang at a state guesthouse in western Beijing.
But North Korea has repeatedly said it will not abandon nuclear weapons which it described on Friday as its "treasured" guarantor of security.
Yang said China's stance on maintaining peace and stability on the peninsula was clear and consistent.
"We maintain that the issue should be handled and resolved peacefully through dialogue and consultation. To properly address the Korea nuclear issue serves the common interests of all parties. It is also the shared responsibility of all parties," he said, speaking through an interpreter.
"China will work with other relevant parties, including the United States, to play a constructive role in promoting the six-party talks and balanced implementation of the goals set out in the September 19 joint statement of 2005."
Reuters Here is another interesting exceprt from that article: China's Xinhua news agency said in a commentary that Washington had itself been "fanning the flames" on the Korean peninsula with its shows of force.
"It keeps sending more fighters, bombers and missile-defence ships to the waters of East Asia and carrying out massive military drills with Asian allies in a dramatic display of preemptive power," it said.
Chinese state television quoted Premier Li Keqiang as telling Kerry that rising tensions on the Korean peninsula were in nobody's interests, in apparent reference to both Washington and Pyongyang to dial down the war of words.
"All sides must bear responsibility for maintaining regional peace and stability and be responsible for the consequences," the television report paraphrased Li as saying.
"Disturbances and provocation on the peninsula and regionally will harm the interests of all sides, which is like lifting a rock only to drop it on one's feet." Sounds like China holds the US responsible for a lot of North Korea's rhetoric, and is taking the side of peace rather than siding with the U.S. Maybe next time they'll throw in a 'thank you' for keeping SK and Japan from developing nuclear weapons. If they did there countries would be part of china by now...
Uncle Sam would not allow that. Those nations are ours. I'm pretty sure ROK and Japan like the US much, much more than China anyhow. China should be worrying about their rabid overpopulation and infinite number of social problems anyways, not about war with history's most powerful state. Their already precarious situation would collapse if they were to declare war on the US.
EDIT: Woohoo, 1991 posts, same as my birth year.
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On April 14 2013 10:45 Grettin wrote:N. Korea's leader not seen in public for 2 weeks Show nested quote +North Korea's young leader Kim Jong-un has not been seen in public over the past two weeks, setting off speculation that he might be tempted to tone down fiery threats of provocations, according to sources and an analyst on Sunday.
Kim's absence from the public eye, judged by the North's choreographed media reports, was not unusual, but this month's disappearance from public view comes amid heightened tensions on the Korean Peninsula as Pyongyang is expected to launch a mid-range ballistic missile.
Interesting.. :D Yonhap
Why would that mean he may be willing to tone down the threats?
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On April 14 2013 11:12 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:45 Grettin wrote:N. Korea's leader not seen in public for 2 weeks North Korea's young leader Kim Jong-un has not been seen in public over the past two weeks, setting off speculation that he might be tempted to tone down fiery threats of provocations, according to sources and an analyst on Sunday.
Kim's absence from the public eye, judged by the North's choreographed media reports, was not unusual, but this month's disappearance from public view comes amid heightened tensions on the Korean Peninsula as Pyongyang is expected to launch a mid-range ballistic missile.
Interesting.. :D Yonhap Why would that mean he may be willing to tone down the threats?
Hm, usually when you are about to attack someone, you sort of, rally your forces and get everyone PUMPED FOR ACTION. I think you see a lot more public appearances when something "serious" is about to happen instead of sitting in your house calling all of the shots without any coverage? I dunno though.
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Could be just touring his harem before going out in a blaze of glory. You can't read too much into it.
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On April 14 2013 11:18 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:12 aksfjh wrote:On April 14 2013 10:45 Grettin wrote:N. Korea's leader not seen in public for 2 weeks North Korea's young leader Kim Jong-un has not been seen in public over the past two weeks, setting off speculation that he might be tempted to tone down fiery threats of provocations, according to sources and an analyst on Sunday.
Kim's absence from the public eye, judged by the North's choreographed media reports, was not unusual, but this month's disappearance from public view comes amid heightened tensions on the Korean Peninsula as Pyongyang is expected to launch a mid-range ballistic missile.
Interesting.. :D Yonhap Why would that mean he may be willing to tone down the threats? Hm, usually when you are about to attack someone, you sort of, rally your forces and get everyone PUMPED FOR ACTION. I think you see a lot more public appearances when something "serious" is about to happen instead of sitting in your house calling all of the shots without any coverage? I dunno though.
Or he's hiding in case local "politics" are turning against him. If he fears a coup or assassination, he's going to stay in his palace away from the public.
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Last time Kim Jong-Un had not been seen in public for more than a week, it was for the 4th nuclear test on Feb. 12 2013. Since then, he has never disappeared for more than a few days. This time, his last appearence was on April 1. It's been exactly 2 weeks now. Also, at his 1st anniversary as first chairman on 11th, he and at least 3 top military officials didn't come to the ceremony. They are planning something big at a bunker, I believe.
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On April 14 2013 15:15 Orek wrote:
Last time Kim Jong-Un had not been seen in public for more than a week, it was for the 4th nuclear test on Feb. 12 2013. Since then, he has never disappeared for more than a few days. This time, his last appearence was on April 1. It's been exactly 2 weeks now. Also, at his 1st anniversary as first chairman on 11th, he and at least 3 top military officials didn't come to the ceremony. They are planning something big at a bunker, I believe.
Would be a bit of a giveaway of their strategy, wouldn't it?
I mean, if you arrived at this conclusion, I doubt the Intelligence Services missed it... while being at the ceremony would have covered it?
Or maybe he was afraid to get shot at the ceremony by someone who disagrees with his politics, where the shooter might disappear due to the confusion?
I'm at a point where I kinda want something to happen, because the tension's been building up now, but I of course don't want the civilians to be hurt... I'd really be happy if just enough happened to motivate others in overthrowing their regime and freeing their people, even if they prolly won't due to economic reasons.
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It's been almost 60 years, and there really has never been a better time to fix this mess once and for all. NK isn't quite capable of doing WMD damage, and China is just about willing to cooperate with the US in finding a solution. Just needs the right opportunity.
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I'm pretty sure the end result is going to be embarrassment from North Korea. I think they really were expecting other countries to cave in and give them something, whether its more aid or a cancelling of sanctions, but no one did anything. So now they're just sitting there, not sure what to do, because they can't escalate their rhetoric anymore. Its going to be so humiliating...Kim Jong-Un is going to go outside and say we decided to call it off, and no one will take them seriously ever again, if anyone ever did to begin with.
Now with China joining the US in trying to disarm North Korea, they've completely lost any support. Unless they're completely insane they're not going to launch anything, which would be shot down with impunity by the US anyway. This is probably going to be one of the saddest moments in history...but on the plus side, after the embarrassment, the country will probably move towards disarmament, peace talks, and finally feeding their population.
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Kim Jung Un spent two months visiting and prepping units up with visits and rallying the people, for him to suddenly vanish from sight around time country started making threats to nuke South Korea and allies is the classic indication of going to ground until everything is sure there is going to be no retaliations, Tomorrow marks the 15th in DPRK along with mass celebrations so KJU is going to have to make a public appearance at that time.
There have been some reports of Telemetry bursts coming from DPRK that seem to indicate launch on 15th of the missiles which if that is the case they are unlikely to fire them in morning esp if they plan to fire them over Japan and follow through with threat to retaliate against Japan if they shoot the missiles down. I am ruling out a morning launch since Kim would supposed to be attending public events and when they conduct test launches they will want to have him at protected location so they may hold launch in afternoon to late afternoon after main events.
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Also Fighters for free North Korea are supposed to release balloons into the North tomorrow so thats going to be another potential hotspot issue if North Korea follows through with threat to shell location.
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On April 15 2013 01:22 barnEbiss wrote:
Also Fighters for free North Korea are supposed to release balloons into the North tomorrow so thats going to be another potentate hotspot issue if North Korea follows through with threat to shell location.
And if someone didn't know already, there are propaganda leaflets on the balloons which are sent to North.
North Korea warned Saturday that South Korea will face a "catastrophic situation" if it allows anti-Pyongyang propaganda leaflets to be flown into its territory across the border ahead of a major holiday.
A group of North Korean defectors and a Seoul-based civic organization have said they jointly plan to fly tens of thousands of leaflets with anti-Pyongyang messages, often mixed with U.S. dollar bills, via balloon timed to the upcoming birthday of the North's late founder Kim Il-sung, which falls on Monday.
In a commentary posted on the Web site of its propaganda Internet outlet, Uriminzokkiri, the communist North said a catastrophic situation will occur if the leaflets are sent cross the border on the late leader's birthday, dubbed the "Day of the Sun." The late leader, who died in 1994, is the grandfather of current leader Kim Jong-un.
Activists in the South often send anti-Pyongyang propaganda leaflets across the border, condemning the autocratic North Korean regime and calling for a popular uprising against the leadership.
Yonhap
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On April 15 2013 01:26 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 01:22 barnEbiss wrote:
Also Fighters for free North Korea are supposed to release balloons into the North tomorrow so thats going to be another potentate hotspot issue if North Korea follows through with threat to shell location. And if someone didn't know already, there are propaganda leaflets on the balloons which are sent to North. Show nested quote +North Korea warned Saturday that South Korea will face a "catastrophic situation" if it allows anti-Pyongyang propaganda leaflets to be flown into its territory across the border ahead of a major holiday.
A group of North Korean defectors and a Seoul-based civic organization have said they jointly plan to fly tens of thousands of leaflets with anti-Pyongyang messages, often mixed with U.S. dollar bills, via balloon timed to the upcoming birthday of the North's late founder Kim Il-sung, which falls on Monday.
In a commentary posted on the Web site of its propaganda Internet outlet, Uriminzokkiri, the communist North said a catastrophic situation will occur if the leaflets are sent cross the border on the late leader's birthday, dubbed the "Day of the Sun." The late leader, who died in 1994, is the grandfather of current leader Kim Jong-un.
Activists in the South often send anti-Pyongyang propaganda leaflets across the border, condemning the autocratic North Korean regime and calling for a popular uprising against the leadership.
Yonhap
WTF ? Do they want the war to happen ? How can they be so provocating...
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On April 15 2013 23:32 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 01:26 Grettin wrote:On April 15 2013 01:22 barnEbiss wrote:
Also Fighters for free North Korea are supposed to release balloons into the North tomorrow so thats going to be another potentate hotspot issue if North Korea follows through with threat to shell location. And if someone didn't know already, there are propaganda leaflets on the balloons which are sent to North. North Korea warned Saturday that South Korea will face a "catastrophic situation" if it allows anti-Pyongyang propaganda leaflets to be flown into its territory across the border ahead of a major holiday.
A group of North Korean defectors and a Seoul-based civic organization have said they jointly plan to fly tens of thousands of leaflets with anti-Pyongyang messages, often mixed with U.S. dollar bills, via balloon timed to the upcoming birthday of the North's late founder Kim Il-sung, which falls on Monday.
In a commentary posted on the Web site of its propaganda Internet outlet, Uriminzokkiri, the communist North said a catastrophic situation will occur if the leaflets are sent cross the border on the late leader's birthday, dubbed the "Day of the Sun." The late leader, who died in 1994, is the grandfather of current leader Kim Jong-un.
Activists in the South often send anti-Pyongyang propaganda leaflets across the border, condemning the autocratic North Korean regime and calling for a popular uprising against the leadership.
Yonhap WTF ? Do they want the war to happen ? How can they be so provocating...
i would like to see whatever is going to happen (be it war or not) happen sooner rather than later.. every day that this is delayed is another day that the north korean people have to suffer through starvation, slavery, and torture
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On April 15 2013 23:36 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 23:32 FFW_Rude wrote:On April 15 2013 01:26 Grettin wrote:On April 15 2013 01:22 barnEbiss wrote:
Also Fighters for free North Korea are supposed to release balloons into the North tomorrow so thats going to be another potentate hotspot issue if North Korea follows through with threat to shell location. And if someone didn't know already, there are propaganda leaflets on the balloons which are sent to North. North Korea warned Saturday that South Korea will face a "catastrophic situation" if it allows anti-Pyongyang propaganda leaflets to be flown into its territory across the border ahead of a major holiday.
A group of North Korean defectors and a Seoul-based civic organization have said they jointly plan to fly tens of thousands of leaflets with anti-Pyongyang messages, often mixed with U.S. dollar bills, via balloon timed to the upcoming birthday of the North's late founder Kim Il-sung, which falls on Monday.
In a commentary posted on the Web site of its propaganda Internet outlet, Uriminzokkiri, the communist North said a catastrophic situation will occur if the leaflets are sent cross the border on the late leader's birthday, dubbed the "Day of the Sun." The late leader, who died in 1994, is the grandfather of current leader Kim Jong-un.
Activists in the South often send anti-Pyongyang propaganda leaflets across the border, condemning the autocratic North Korean regime and calling for a popular uprising against the leadership.
Yonhap WTF ? Do they want the war to happen ? How can they be so provocating... i would like to see whatever is going to happen (be it war or not) happen sooner rather than later.. every day that this is delayed is another day that the north korean people have to suffer through starvation, slavery, and torture
That's gambling far beyond reason no ? Maybe i don't understand all that it means.
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