On March 28 2014 04:46 Serejai wrote: It has now been confirmed that the Sony Morpheus will run on PC in addition to PS4. RIP Rift.
RIP is pretty premature since Rift pretty much already open up to wider target market. Also, there are a lot of gamers that still are very excited for Rift and don't care about Facebook acquisition.
What I see around the internet are pretty much kneejerk reactions without any rationale thought, this really make me feel embarrassed as a gamer... I would say that Nathan Grayson from RPS summed up my feeling the best here:
"At this point, we can speculate and knee-jerk all we want, but we can’t *know*. I personally am hoping for the best, but only time will tell. This could be VR’s greatest triumph or most crushing defeat. For now all we can do is strap on our goggles, take a virtual front row seat, and cross our fingers for the best."
facebook isnt a charity and facebook paid 2b, so you can comfortably say that they will make at least that back through the VR. How is facebook making money? ads and data. do i want that? no. furthermore, the people who paid for the kickstarter are more or less hardcore gamers. whats facebooks target demographic? facebook users. facebook users play farmville and candycrush and what not. those games are HUGELY popular but do people who backed the kickstarter want to play those kind of games? fuck no.
People are too focused on what Facebook is today, when this is really an R&D project for where they want to move it in the future.
The fact of the matter is that OR is a long ways off from being a viable commercialized product, and the company probably needed to be bought (or have some type of major - not Kickstarter money - cash infusion) in order for it to survive. If it took too long to show signs of being a real business, the floor of investors would fall out from under it. Now it's protected from that risk for a long time, as well as connected to many more resources.
I don't know who else people think could've bought it. Google is even more data hungry and oblivious to customers than Facebook, Microsoft would've been a shit storm and Valve isn't a big enough company to commercialize this product, plus they're already engaged in a major risky hardware venture.
It wouldn't surprise me if OR failed, but that's always been a significant possibility. Maybe Sony picks up the slack, or maybe someone else gets in the VR game now that Facebook has shown interest. There's a whole lot of possibilities with the technology and I think the money was necessary for it to ever see the light of day. Facebook may not be the best company, but it's certainly not the worst.
Also, Facebook is hugely popular among hardcore gamers as well. It's not popular amongst the ultra-privacy crowd, but that circle is small and only has brief overlap with the hardcore gamer circle.
And no, if you paid money on Kickstarter, you do not deserve (nor can you legally claim) any bit of the money (which isn't actually cash, btw.) You may not feel that way but if you open up your eyes and brain, you'll see it explicitly stated in Kickstarters' terms that you get zero equity. You get a trinket and some good feelings, and that's it. The lovefest that rose around OR was no fault of their own. The people talking about being sold a "dream" sound like middle schoolers with a crush, experiencing nervous euphoria for the first time. You created that dream in your own mind.
"ZeniMax Media, which owns id Software and Bethesda Game Studios, sent formal notice to Oculus claiming key technology the virtual reality headset relies on, were developed by John Carmack while he was still employed by at ZeniMax. ZeniMax claims that only with its help, Oculus founder Palmer Luckey “was able to transform his garage-based pipe dream into a working reality," and now it wants compensation."
"ZeniMax Media, which owns id Software and Bethesda Game Studios, sent formal notice to Oculus claiming key technology the virtual reality headset relies on, were developed by John Carmack while he was still employed by at ZeniMax. ZeniMax claims that only with its help, Oculus founder Palmer Luckey “was able to transform his garage-based pipe dream into a working reality," and now it wants compensation."
Sad, and funny at the same time. Thoughts?
Was bound to happen since whenever some new technology hit the market and becomes popular someone always seems to have been "cheated" in some way. What would make this technology any different?
And no, I don't think they will get any compensation.
"ZeniMax Media, which owns id Software and Bethesda Game Studios, sent formal notice to Oculus claiming key technology the virtual reality headset relies on, were developed by John Carmack while he was still employed by at ZeniMax. ZeniMax claims that only with its help, Oculus founder Palmer Luckey “was able to transform his garage-based pipe dream into a working reality," and now it wants compensation."
Sad, and funny at the same time. Thoughts?
Was bound to happen since whenever some new technology hit the market and becomes popular someone always seems to have been "cheated" in some way. What would make this technology any different?
And no, I don't think they will get any compensation.
Didn't Zenimax have plenty of time to do this in the 1st place? Seems like they just decided to claim rights once Facebook got involved with Oculus, and thinking they can get some moneys. Crazy world.
"ZeniMax Media, which owns id Software and Bethesda Game Studios, sent formal notice to Oculus claiming key technology the virtual reality headset relies on, were developed by John Carmack while he was still employed by at ZeniMax. ZeniMax claims that only with its help, Oculus founder Palmer Luckey “was able to transform his garage-based pipe dream into a working reality," and now it wants compensation."
Sad, and funny at the same time. Thoughts?
Was bound to happen since whenever some new technology hit the market and becomes popular someone always seems to have been "cheated" in some way. What would make this technology any different?
And no, I don't think they will get any compensation.
Didn't Zenimax have plenty of time to do this in the 1st place? Seems like they just decided to claim rights once Facebook got involved with Oculus, and thinking they can get some moneys. Crazy world.
That would be the only reason, yes lol. It prolly went something like this:
ZeniMax Media: "Hmm... someone is making VR technology, that's cute" **Facebook buys Occulus for 2 billion** ZeniMax Media: "2 billion? WE WANT MONEY AS WELL. QUICKLY, MAKE UP SOME BULLSHIT EXCUSE"
Regardless if they are entitled or not to the technology it's pretty obvious the only reason they started to give a shit was because of the 2 billion sale and nothing else.
"ZeniMax Media, which owns id Software and Bethesda Game Studios, sent formal notice to Oculus claiming key technology the virtual reality headset relies on, were developed by John Carmack while he was still employed by at ZeniMax. ZeniMax claims that only with its help, Oculus founder Palmer Luckey “was able to transform his garage-based pipe dream into a working reality," and now it wants compensation."
Sad, and funny at the same time. Thoughts?
Was bound to happen since whenever some new technology hit the market and becomes popular someone always seems to have been "cheated" in some way. What would make this technology any different?
And no, I don't think they will get any compensation.
Didn't Zenimax have plenty of time to do this in the 1st place? Seems like they just decided to claim rights once Facebook got involved with Oculus, and thinking they can get some moneys. Crazy world.
That would be the only reason, yes lol. It prolly went something like this:
ZeniMax Media: "Hmm... someone is making VR technology, that's cute" **Facebook buys Occulus for 2 billion** ZeniMax Media: "2 billion? WE WANT MONEY AS WELL. QUICKLY, MAKE UP SOME BULLSHIT EXCUSE"
Regardless if they are entitled or not to the technology it's pretty obvious the only reason they started to give a shit was because of the 2 billion sale and nothing else.
It's actually not a bad business decision (ethics excluded). You just knowingly (or 'unknowingly') let other companies use your tech knowing it won't be hard to get a Lawyer to go after a chunk of a buy-out if it happens to be used in some successful design. You just keep your legal claim tidy (settlement worthy) and wait. If they make it big you get a chunk and if they don't you don't really lose anything.
Truthfully something like this should of been vetted by Occulus lawyers. Then before the purchase/interest goes public you verbally offer the person a large chunk of money (small by comparison to a potential settlement) to sell any rights they may have (to a hopefully long-forgotten tech/idea) through a plausibly deniable 3rd party source. If they agree you have them sign an obnoxiously long contract where the actual issue is buried deep under mountains of legalese.
Then when you get bought out like Occulus did and someone claims rights to a piece of it, you produce the contract they signed and they sit and feel dumb because they took pennies on the dollar of what they would of got if the had just hired someone to read the contract.
This seems to me to be more of a sign of new tech businesses not knowing how this kind of stuff works.
Currently at eve finest, playing with Valkarie and oculus. It's pretty cool as a man, to look down and suddenly see boobs when you are playing as a female pilot. Yes it is fucking seamless and yes it is fucking amazing!
On May 02 2014 08:51 Ramiel wrote: Currently at eve finest, playing with Valkarie and oculus. It's pretty cool as a man, to look down and suddenly see boobs when you are playing as a female pilot. Yes it is fucking seamless and yes it is fucking amazing!
#jelly
On the topic of Boobies though: This might be just the little blue pill the pr0n industry needed? Oculus based content would be a bit harder to find for free than just googling 'free pr0n' so it could result in a boost in actual sales and not just a diversion of consumption source.
However it will also be tied with the inevitable headline of someone fapping 'to death' in 'VR' and you know how they get when anything happens in proximity to digital entertainment.
"ZeniMax Media, which owns id Software and Bethesda Game Studios, sent formal notice to Oculus claiming key technology the virtual reality headset relies on, were developed by John Carmack while he was still employed by at ZeniMax. ZeniMax claims that only with its help, Oculus founder Palmer Luckey “was able to transform his garage-based pipe dream into a working reality," and now it wants compensation."
Sad, and funny at the same time. Thoughts?
Was bound to happen since whenever some new technology hit the market and becomes popular someone always seems to have been "cheated" in some way. What would make this technology any different?
And no, I don't think they will get any compensation.
Didn't Zenimax have plenty of time to do this in the 1st place? Seems like they just decided to claim rights once Facebook got involved with Oculus, and thinking they can get some moneys. Crazy world.
That would be the only reason, yes lol. It prolly went something like this:
ZeniMax Media: "Hmm... someone is making VR technology, that's cute" **Facebook buys Occulus for 2 billion** ZeniMax Media: "2 billion? WE WANT MONEY AS WELL. QUICKLY, MAKE UP SOME BULLSHIT EXCUSE"
Regardless if they are entitled or not to the technology it's pretty obvious the only reason they started to give a shit was because of the 2 billion sale and nothing else.
The talks began like 6+ months before the Facebook announcement. So I think you're wrong.
ZeniMax began seeking compensation around August 2012, according to the Journal's source.
The takeaway from this for most of you is that if you work at a fairly established tech company, do not work on personal projects while doing your main job. It depends on the state it occurred in, but most companies will have you sign an agreement stating they own your work if you did it while with them, even if it's unrelated to what they're paying you to do (to a reasonable extent.)
On May 02 2014 08:51 Ramiel wrote: Currently at eve finest, playing with Valkarie and oculus. It's pretty cool as a man, to look down and suddenly see boobs when you are playing as a female pilot. Yes it is fucking seamless and yes it is fucking amazing!
#jelly
On the topic of Boobies though: This might be just the little blue pill the pr0n industry needed? Oculus based content would be a bit harder to find for free than just googling 'free pr0n' so it could result in a boost in actual sales and not just a diversion of consumption source.
However it will also be tied with the inevitable headline of someone fapping 'to death' in 'VR' and you know how they get when anything happens in proximity to digital entertainment.
The porn industry is actually doing just fine, somehow.
I'm not sure how they stay profitable, but as you can tell by 15 seconds of googling, there are millions of porn sites, probably hundreds of thousands of which charge for some content, yet they still succeed. And no DRM!
I wish Ubisoft would get in touch with Brazzers, maybe they could teach Ubi how to make money without DRM bullshit.
On May 02 2014 08:51 Ramiel wrote: Currently at eve finest, playing with Valkarie and oculus. It's pretty cool as a man, to look down and suddenly see boobs when you are playing as a female pilot. Yes it is fucking seamless and yes it is fucking amazing!
"ZeniMax Media, which owns id Software and Bethesda Game Studios, sent formal notice to Oculus claiming key technology the virtual reality headset relies on, were developed by John Carmack while he was still employed by at ZeniMax. ZeniMax claims that only with its help, Oculus founder Palmer Luckey “was able to transform his garage-based pipe dream into a working reality," and now it wants compensation."
Sad, and funny at the same time. Thoughts?
Was bound to happen since whenever some new technology hit the market and becomes popular someone always seems to have been "cheated" in some way. What would make this technology any different?
And no, I don't think they will get any compensation.
Didn't Zenimax have plenty of time to do this in the 1st place? Seems like they just decided to claim rights once Facebook got involved with Oculus, and thinking they can get some moneys. Crazy world.
That would be the only reason, yes lol. It prolly went something like this:
ZeniMax Media: "Hmm... someone is making VR technology, that's cute" **Facebook buys Occulus for 2 billion** ZeniMax Media: "2 billion? WE WANT MONEY AS WELL. QUICKLY, MAKE UP SOME BULLSHIT EXCUSE"
Regardless if they are entitled or not to the technology it's pretty obvious the only reason they started to give a shit was because of the 2 billion sale and nothing else.
The talks began like 6+ months before the Facebook announcement. So I think you're wrong.
ZeniMax began seeking compensation around August 2012, according to the Journal's source.
The takeaway from this for most of you is that if you work at a fairly established tech company, do not work on personal projects while doing your main job. It depends on the state it occurred in, but most companies will have you sign an agreement stating they own your work if you did it while with them, even if it's unrelated to what they're paying you to do (to a reasonable extent.)
According to Oculus it was actually the 2 billion deal that made ZeniMax Media to go "official" about this and started sending legal letters for a direct claim.
I agree on that Oculus prolly could had dealt with this better though and there is a chance that ZeniMax Media might actually be right, but we will see.
On May 02 2014 09:11 GreenHorizons wrote: On the topic of Boobies though: This might be just the little blue pill the pr0n industry needed? Oculus based content would be a bit harder to find for free than just googling 'free pr0n' so it could result in a boost in actual sales and not just a diversion of consumption source.
However it will also be tied with the inevitable headline of someone fapping 'to death' in 'VR' and you know how they get when anything happens in proximity to digital entertainment.
On April 01 2014 13:17 Jibba wrote: I don't know who else people think could've bought it. Google is even more data hungry and oblivious to customers than Facebook, Microsoft would've been a shit storm and Valve isn't a big enough company to commercialize this product, plus they're already engaged in a major risky hardware venture.
I don't think Microsoft would be bad at all. They have pretty reasonable freedom and privacy laws compared to many companies, and because they already have a significant hardware division, it's far more logical for them as well. That said, I don't see how the committees involved in managing Microsoft could ever justify spending so much money to acquire such a small company so early on for such a huge amount. It will take a very long time to recover 2 billion (if ever), and there is so much free time that money could be spent on other things before investing into VR. I feel like it almost was [partially] a charity with Facebook's acquisition since I really don't see the financial logic.
really fucking weird application of the OR. I can only imagine how trippy that must be.
You could use this thing to have virtual sex with yourself, as the opposite gender! Truly we are about to enter a golden age. (and new lows in the birth rates of 1st world countries)
"Look into the nipples of the future!" - Really Really Big Man
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