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On January 16 2013 15:20 Go0g3n wrote:
I've listened do an episode of a show with Dr.Drew, a man called in with the question about taking synthetic marijuana to pass a drug test at work, complained about headaches, weakness he started experiencing after he began taking it. Basically Drew said that it was far more dangerous than real pot and recommended treatment and generally to stay away from that stuff.
That's about all i know about it.
yea, coz the stuff dr.drew says is realy legit
http://tinyurl.com/cml25jd
to OT: synthetic cannabis is som realy nasty shit, ive used some jwh 018 to "spice up" my normal hits but i would never recomend it and certely not in any "unpure gasstation form" I Guess most of what u call "synthetic cannabis is JWH based stuff? and for the people that realy whant to learn about drugs should go to http://www.erowid.org where you can get the truth about the substance u whant to abbuse.
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I'm getting my doctorate in clinical psychology and I've done more drugs than almost anyone in this thread and synthetic cannabis is, in my opinion, about as dangerous as recreational methamphetamine. I would even venture so far as to say that if you're only using it one or two times, methamphetamine is far safer than what's marketed as synthetic cannabis.
[edit] Let me qualify that: Synthetic cannabis is far more likely to precipitate a psychotic break than methamphetamine. [/edit]
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I mean, why would you put your life in danger just to get high when marijuana itself is much healthier and safer?
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On January 16 2013 18:38 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm getting my doctorate in clinical psychology and I've done more drugs than almost anyone in this thread and synthetic cannabis is, in my opinion, about as dangerous as recreational methamphetamine. I would even venture so far as to say that if you're only using it one or two times, methamphetamine is far safer than what's marketed as synthetic cannabis.
[edit] Let me qualify that: Synthetic cannabis is far more likely to precipitate a psychotic break than methamphetamine. [/edit]
Its pretty close to meth on the danger scale. I've been telling people this for awhile. Put synthetic cannabis up there with all the other hardcore drugs like herion, crack, meth. Its on that level.
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On January 16 2013 18:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I mean, why would you put your life in danger just to get high when marijuana itself is much healthier and safer?
No one chooses spice over pot (except maybe broke junkies). Some people are just forced to quit through drug tests, and they're not ready to quit. It's just soooo much easier to buy $5 of spice and be high for days than to deal with the cravings.
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On January 16 2013 18:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I mean, why would you put your life in danger just to get high when marijuana itself is much healthier and safer?
You wouldnt unless you have court ordered drug test. Its also much easier to get synthetics. This is the problem with America. We're getting arrested and tested for completely harmless drugs like marijuana, while you can buy shit like that over the counter. Its pathetic
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On January 16 2013 18:26 RHGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 18:17 corpuscle wrote:On January 16 2013 17:28 hoby2000 wrote:On January 16 2013 14:42 CursOr wrote:
The tests for MJ test for many other cannaboids that stay in the system much longer than THC.
I smoked Marijuana for many years, but after I stopped I realized that the worst part about it was that it made me so damn content to just do nothing with my life. I was too lazy, messed up college real bad, and had no job/ or crappy jobs- and after I put it away, I started actually doing things. How crazy is that? Not that crazy. All you did was attach your marijuana use with irresponsibility, so when you threw out marijuana, of course you felt like you were doing more. What you're completely ignoring is the fact that you had complete control of what you were doing while stoned. Don't blame marijuana because you're a lazy ass hole. Blame yourself. Okay, I'm gonna associate my "struggling with depression and barely maintaining a 1.2 GPA" with weed, and my current 4.0 with "weed is best in moderation," and continue on that track, because shit seems to be working pretty well for me. XD edit: there is nothing wrong with responsible use of weed. the majority of my friends smoke and are fully functioning and generally awesome people. don't pretend it's some harmless happy funtime bullshit that does nothing wrong though, because it is not. people who already have issues can develop an abusive relationship with weed, and that is not good. From my observations of friends and experiences in life, I can shamelessly say that marijuana is most likely the least harmful drug (compared to other recreation drugs, that is) known to exist. Yes, its amotivational effects have been experimentally proven and it may act as a gateway, but the argument as it being the best of all evils is strong. I don't support its use nor do I criticize those who use it "responsibly."
I completely agree. Weed is utterly harmless relative to any other drug I can think of besides maybe caffeine, but that doesn't mean that you can just get high all the time and expect there to be no negative consequences.
Also, I don't remember exactly who said it, but whenever you say "I've done more drugs than you," you make yourself look like an ass and you're probably wrong. Don't pretend you know what other people have done, especially since it's, you know, the fucking internet.
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You should stop that shit right now. Did it for some time, too. I didn't experience the high so much, I always got a slight headache after using it, so I decided to quit pretty quickly. I had no trouble quitting, but who knows what they throw into it nowadays. Our experiences might be with different substances.
If you have to do drug testing and you want to still get high from time to time, I would recommend GHB. Decomposition product is CO² and they don't test for it (even if they do, you are clean some hours after your last intake). High is quite smooth and comfortable.
If you do it I highely recommend not to do it too often. Quitting is a real bitch after some months of frequent consumption. Nervousness, loss of sleep until you are a walking zombie and anger management issues. You will be on high voltage until you reestablished good sleeping patterns (will take around 10-14 days).
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Synthetic Weed is one of the worst experiences in my whole life. :/
I barely remember anything, but about a year ago this was pretty trendy in the southern Vienna area. It was 5€/gram (Weed is 10€/gram) and you could get it everywhere. When I smoked it the smoke in my throat felt so soft and good tasting, but about 30 seconds later the effect began. Our dealer didn´t told us that it was not normal weed, but we immediately recognized it. From 1 bong hit, we where backed like after 15 bong hits @.@
At first we thought it was awesome: Cheaper, stronger and softer to smoke =)))
We thought we got the perfect weed replacement, but then things happened. I should have noticed this earlier because a lot of people stopped smoking this after the first time, but we continued for some more months T.T
Then the first big impact: A smoking-beginner friend of mine smoked alone a join with pure synt. weed and had his biggest mental breakdown of his life: His pulse was ~200 and he felt so hot that he had to strip. In Winter. After this action he began to get hyperactive and he ran naked on the streets of his town where he got caught by the police and was brought to the hospital.
Ok in one sentence: Synthetic weed is way more dangerous and brain fucking then normal weed. Legalize Marijuana and shit like this will stop!
Edit: We called it Bioshit
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I don't understand why so many people llike to talk about the drugs they use.. Especially pot smokers just love to talk about smoking and how much they and their friends do it.. I have to say that I find it pretty sad tbh..
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On January 16 2013 19:03 AngryMag wrote:
You should stop that shit right now. Did it for some time, too. I didn't experience the high so much, I always got a slight headache after using it, so I decided to quit pretty quickly. I had no trouble quitting, but who knows what they throw into it nowadays. Our experiences might be with different substances.
If you have to do drug testing and you want to still get high from time to time, I would recommend GHB. Decomposition product is CO² and they don't test for it (even if they do, you are clean some hours after your last intake). High is quite smooth and comfortable.
If you do it I highely recommend not to do it too often. Quitting is a real bitch after some months of frequent consumption. Nervousness, loss of sleep until you are a walking zombie and anger management issues. You will be on high voltage until you reestablished good sleeping patterns (will take around 10-14 days).
That almost sounds as bad as spice lol. If I'm desperate to get intoxicated, I guess I'll drink some booze or chug a bottle of cough syrup. If I want to smoke I'll have a cigarette.
But I think you guys have scared me away from this shit. Thank you.
On January 16 2013 19:12 B.I.G. wrote:
I don't understand why so many people llike to talk about the drugs they use.. Especially pot smokers just love to talk about smoking and how much they and their friends do it.. I have to say that I find it pretty sad tbh..
It's just part of lifestyle. It's like a gamer talking about the games they play or how often they play them. It's something you do every day, and something you talk about every once in a while.
Yes there are attention whores who talk about it for that reason, but most of the time it's just a legitimate discussion of a daily activity.
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On January 16 2013 19:12 B.I.G. wrote:
I don't understand why so many people llike to talk about the drugs they use.. Especially pot smokers just love to talk about smoking and how much they and their friends do it.. I have to say that I find it pretty sad tbh.. and then u have stoners who does not like to talk about IT ALL unless they are with only fellow stoners or on forums like this.
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On January 16 2013 18:45 Bahku wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 18:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I mean, why would you put your life in danger just to get high when marijuana itself is much healthier and safer? No one chooses spice over pot (except maybe broke junkies). Some people are just forced to quit through drug tests, and they're not ready to quit. It's just soooo much easier to buy $5 of spice and be high for days than to deal with the cravings.
So, what I hear you saying is that you don't think people are in charge of their own lives? To me, every drug I've ever done has been a conscious choice.
Don't give me that "because it's easier I had no choice" bullshit.
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It's just part of lifestyle. If you ever tried a recreational drug you might understand. It's like a gamer talking about the games they play or how often they play them. It's something you do every day, and something you talk about every once in a while.
Yes there are attention whores who talk about it for that reason, but most of the time it's just a legitimate discussion of a daily activity.
lol. I love the leap from 'if you have ever tried a recreational drug' to 'you would understand that it's a daily activity.'
Honestly, dude... this makes me think you consider it more normal to do drugs daily or weekly than it actually is, which usually means you've loaded your social circle with people who do it all the time. It's actually not that normal, including among people who gotten high in various ways before. It's actually very abnormal to want to be intoxicated very frequently.
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On January 16 2013 19:13 Bahku wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 19:03 AngryMag wrote:
You should stop that shit right now. Did it for some time, too. I didn't experience the high so much, I always got a slight headache after using it, so I decided to quit pretty quickly. I had no trouble quitting, but who knows what they throw into it nowadays. Our experiences might be with different substances.
If you have to do drug testing and you want to still get high from time to time, I would recommend GHB. Decomposition product is CO² and they don't test for it (even if they do, you are clean some hours after your last intake). High is quite smooth and comfortable.
If you do it I highely recommend not to do it too often. Quitting is a real bitch after some months of frequent consumption. Nervousness, loss of sleep until you are a walking zombie and anger management issues. You will be on high voltage until you reestablished good sleeping patterns (will take around 10-14 days). That almost sounds as bad as spice lol. If I'm desperate to get intoxicated, I guess I'll drink some booze or chug a bottle of cough syrup. If I want to smoke I'll have a cigarette. But I think you guys have scared me away from this shit. Thank you. Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 19:12 B.I.G. wrote:
I don't understand why so many people llike to talk about the drugs they use.. Especially pot smokers just love to talk about smoking and how much they and their friends do it.. I have to say that I find it pretty sad tbh.. It's just part of lifestyle. It's like a gamer talking about the games they play or how often they play them. It's something you do every day, and something you talk about every once in a while. Yes there are attention whores who talk about it for that reason, but most of the time it's just a legitimate discussion of a daily activity.
Good and wise choice At the end of the day, if you go past weed, everything comes with the possibility of severe downsides, so it is a good choice from you to stay away from stuff like that.
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On January 16 2013 19:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 18:45 Bahku wrote:On January 16 2013 18:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I mean, why would you put your life in danger just to get high when marijuana itself is much healthier and safer? No one chooses spice over pot (except maybe broke junkies). Some people are just forced to quit through drug tests, and they're not ready to quit. It's just soooo much easier to buy $5 of spice and be high for days than to deal with the cravings. So, what I hear you saying is that you don't think people are in charge of their own lives? To me, every drug I've ever done has been a conscious choice. Don't give me that "because it's easier I had no choice" bullshit.
Why so aggressive? I'm not arguing, nor would I ever argue, that someone is forced into using a recreational drug. You asked why people use this instead of marijuana so I answered your question.
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On January 16 2013 19:21 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +It's just part of lifestyle. If you ever tried a recreational drug you might understand. It's like a gamer talking about the games they play or how often they play them. It's something you do every day, and something you talk about every once in a while.
Yes there are attention whores who talk about it for that reason, but most of the time it's just a legitimate discussion of a daily activity. lol. I love the leap from 'if you have ever tried a recreational drug' to 'you would understand that it's a daily activity.' Honestly, dude... this makes me think you consider it more normal to do drugs daily or weekly than it actually is, which usually means you've loaded your social circle with people who do it all the time. It's actually not that normal, including among people who gotten high in various ways before. I'm aware of that. In fact, that's the point I'm making. Since it's uncommon to use, people think that any users who talk about it are bragging or trying to get attention.
To someone who uses regularly, and is surrounded by daily users, it's just normal conversation.
EDIT: Double post, should've merged, my bad.
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On January 16 2013 19:23 Bahku wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 19:21 UniversalSnip wrote:It's just part of lifestyle. If you ever tried a recreational drug you might understand. It's like a gamer talking about the games they play or how often they play them. It's something you do every day, and something you talk about every once in a while.
Yes there are attention whores who talk about it for that reason, but most of the time it's just a legitimate discussion of a daily activity. lol. I love the leap from 'if you have ever tried a recreational drug' to 'you would understand that it's a daily activity.' Honestly, dude... this makes me think you consider it more normal to do drugs daily or weekly than it actually is, which usually means you've loaded your social circle with people who do it all the time. It's actually not that normal, including among people who gotten high in various ways before. I'm aware of that. In fact, that's the point I'm making. Since it's uncommon to use, people think that any users who talk about it are bragging or trying to get attention. To someone who uses regularly, and is surrounded by daily users, it's just normal conversation. EDIT: Double post, should've merged, my bad.
ok I take your point ^_^
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On January 16 2013 19:21 Bahku wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 19:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 16 2013 18:45 Bahku wrote:On January 16 2013 18:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I mean, why would you put your life in danger just to get high when marijuana itself is much healthier and safer? No one chooses spice over pot (except maybe broke junkies). Some people are just forced to quit through drug tests, and they're not ready to quit. It's just soooo much easier to buy $5 of spice and be high for days than to deal with the cravings. So, what I hear you saying is that you don't think people are in charge of their own lives? To me, every drug I've ever done has been a conscious choice. Don't give me that "because it's easier I had no choice" bullshit. Why so aggressive? I'm not arguing, nor would I ever argue, that someone is forced into using a recreational drug. You asked why people use this instead of marijuana so I answered your question.
Your point was that nobody chooses to smoke synthetic cannabis.
That's irresponsible and it gives people excuses. If you're doing a drug, you're doing it by choice. If it's not a choice, what is it? Fate? Destiny?
No, it's clearly a choice and you shouldn't absolve yourself or anyone else of owning up to their decisions, especially when it comes to dangerous drugs.
[edit] Sorry if I come off as angry or aggressive but I really don't like the way you italicized "nobody chooses". [/edit]
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On January 16 2013 19:25 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 19:21 Bahku wrote:On January 16 2013 19:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 16 2013 18:45 Bahku wrote:On January 16 2013 18:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I mean, why would you put your life in danger just to get high when marijuana itself is much healthier and safer? No one chooses spice over pot (except maybe broke junkies). Some people are just forced to quit through drug tests, and they're not ready to quit. It's just soooo much easier to buy $5 of spice and be high for days than to deal with the cravings. So, what I hear you saying is that you don't think people are in charge of their own lives? To me, every drug I've ever done has been a conscious choice. Don't give me that "because it's easier I had no choice" bullshit. Why so aggressive? I'm not arguing, nor would I ever argue, that someone is forced into using a recreational drug. You asked why people use this instead of marijuana so I answered your question. Your point was that nobody chooses to smoke synthetic cannabis. That's irresponsible and it gives people excuses. If you're doing a drug, you're doing it by choice. If it's not a choice, what is it? Fate? Destiny? No, it's clearly a choice and you shouldn't absolve yourself or anyone else of owning up to their decisions, especially when it comes to dangerous drugs. [edit] Sorry if I come off as angry or aggressive but I really don't like the way you italicized "nobody chooses". [/edit]
I would argue that no one is responsible for any decision they make but that's an entirely different conversation :p
But I meant what I said: No one chooses spice over marijuana. I didn't mean that people aren't accountable for using it if they do. What I meant is that no marijuana user who is aware of the dangers of spice, would smoke spice instead of marijuana "just because." The reason that people turn to spice is because they cannot smoke marijuana. That's the only point I'm making lol.
+ Show Spoiler +But still, fuck prohibition and fuck drug tests.
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