My peers and I have used these compounds more than I'd like to admit, almost always as a result of mandatory drug tests. I know this shit is horrible for the user but I just tried some again after being forced into another drug testing program. I'm not gonna lie I'm fairly addicted to marijuana, it's hard for me to resist going to the gas station with $3 and getting high for a day off this shit.
Any other experiences? I've heard a few horror stories about people using it, and it's known to be extremely unhealthy. This isn't necessarily a "spice is bad" thread (it is), but just a general synthetic marijuana discussion.
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I think calling it "synthetic cannabis" is misleading. There are synthetic drugs that are supposed to mimic the effects of cannabis, which I'm assuming you are talking about, but they are not cannabis and do not contain THC.
Also, if you want to talk about the effects or dangers of them, you should maybe list some specific drugs that you are talking about.
On January 16 2013 14:37 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Have you considered drinking alcohol?
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On January 16 2013 14:39 Alphonsse wrote: I think calling it "synthetic cannabis" is misleading. There are synthetic drugs that are supposed to mimic the effects of cannabis, which I'm assuming you are talking about, but they are not cannabis and do not contain THC.
Also, if you want to talk about the effects or dangers of them, you should maybe list some specific drugs that you are talking about.
Yes, but "synthetic cannabis" is just the most common name for these substances. I could perhaps list all of their chemical formulas but I don't think it would fit in a topic title.
I don't necessarily want to talk about their effects or dangers, or how bad they are. I just want a discussion and to see how other TL'ers feel about these gas station narcotics.
The tests for MJ test for many other cannaboids that stay in the system much longer than THC.
I smoked Marijuana for many years, but after I stopped I realized that the worst part about it was that it made me so damn content to just do nothing with my life. I was too lazy, messed up college real bad, and had no job/ or crappy jobs- and after I put it away, I started actually doing things. How crazy is that?
On January 16 2013 14:42 CursOr wrote: The tests for MJ test for many other cannaboids that stay in the system much longer than THC.
I smoked Marijuana for many years, but after I stopped I realized that the worst part about it was that it made me so damn content to just do nothing with my life. I was too lazy, messed up college real bad, and had no job/ or crappy jobs- and after I put it away, I started actually doing things. How crazy is that?
From what I know, there are no tests for the LEGAL blends. Last time I was on TASC they gave us shit about how spice shows up in tests now. I kept using knowing that they were full of shit and they were. The blends that become illegal have tests made for them, then new substances come around the corner with a different name and a different chemical structure and it starts all over again.
The employees at a smoke shop won't let you call it "spice," because spice is illegal. No, no, it's "pot pourri" now.
I've listened do an episode of a show with Dr.Drew, a man called in with the question about taking synthetic marijuana to pass a drug test at work, complained about headaches, weakness he started experiencing after he began taking it. Basically Drew said that it was far more dangerous than real pot and recommended treatment and generally to stay away from that stuff.
I just want a discussion and to see how other TL'ers feel about these gas station narcotics.
Well, my godfather was doing synthetic marijuana while he was with his family in korea not long ago and he had some sort of episode where he went crazy and attacked a cop. He's a black belt. Six of them dogpiled him before he went down and he got arrested.
I couldn't figure out wtf could have gotten into him until I looked this stuff up on wikipedia.
Studies are currently available which suggest an association between synthetic cannabinoids and psychosis. Physicians should be aware that the use of synthetic cannabinoids can be associated with psychosis and investigate possible use of synthetic cannabinoids in patients with inexplicable psychotic symptoms.[38]
So, that's how I feel about it. lol. They're a really bad idea!
I tried JWH-018 a couple times after doing some research into it. I know some people call that stupid but I knew a couple uses wouldn't kill me or drive me insane. These synthetic cannabinoids are full agonists of the CB1/CB2 receptors, whereas natural THC is only a partial agonist. This means it is possible to "overdose" in a way with synthetics which is not possible with weed, which is what has caused the few horror stories I'm assuming. So I only tried a small amount.
The short term effects were very similar to weed, indistinguishable really. But I didn't quite feel right a couple days later, I sort of woke up with a panic attack once, not sure if it is related. More recent research has suggested it is more likely to induce psychosis than regular weed, and given my experience I would agree this is quite likely.
I'd advise people to stay away from it for the most part.
Yeah we used to be able to buy that shit from the gas station, but I think it was banned on the first day of 2012 here in TN. I've had many different types, a few of them were extremely close to marijuana, and a few would induce crazy paranoia, feelings of dying, etc. Eventually came to the conclusion that I was better off smoking pot, then to the conclusion I was better off not doing either one. lol
I tried spice when I was in high school (all my friends were on probation and getting tested except for me, lol), it didn't work for me at all. I don't know if they've made advances in the 4-5 years since I've tried it, but I thought it was a complete waste of money and time. I just felt tired and shitty, though my friends said they got high.
It is terrible for you and can be physically addictive, where as pot isn't. This is just something cooked up in a factory compared to pot which is a natural.
I had the same problem of drug tests at work and thought i would try this stuff. It's just people cooking up poison to make a quick buck. Stay away!
Bath salts bro... It's just like bath salts... From what I've gathered, unless you wanna go off eating some person's face, all zombie crazy mode, stay away from that synthetic shit!
i was addicted to it for seven months... couldn't go 30 minutes without another bowl and the first thing i'd do when i woke up was take a hit... stuff is awful. took me to my rock bottom. lost my friends, my house, and had to move back home to get away from it. i was spending about $120 a week on it.
and yet every time i go to a head shop i make sure i have enough money in my pocket to buy some if they happen to sell it. even though i know it ruined my life, the feeling is so powerful and gripping that i can't say no to it. spice is no joke. im almost sweating just typing about it.
On January 16 2013 15:47 sertman wrote: i was addicted to it for seven months... couldn't go 30 minutes without another bowl and the first thing i'd do when i woke up was take a hit... stuff is awful. took me to my rock bottom. lost my friends, my house, and had to move back home to get away from it. i was spending about $120 a week on it.
and yet every time i go to a head shop i make sure i have enough money in my pocket to buy some if they happen to sell it. even though i know it ruined my life, the feeling is so powerful and gripping that i can't say no to it. spice is no joke. im almost sweating just typing about it.
Damn. I know the feeling. I've had countless times where I've used it, felt like I was going to die, freaked out about how I'm destroying my awesome brain, and vowed never to do it again.
Then 15 minutes later, HAAAY LETS LOAD ANOTHER BOWL
It's not even that pleasurable, if I'm gonna do something this addictive I might as well just get some meth.
Jeez, hopefully I can just get a medical MJ card so that I don't have to bother with this any more. Congratulations to the war on marijuana, your drug tests are doing a fine job keeping people from using natural pot >.<
Just for context though I haven't used any in 24 hours and I don't plan on getting any more. But I say that every time I finish a canister. Sigh.
On January 16 2013 15:47 sertman wrote: i was addicted to it for seven months... couldn't go 30 minutes without another bowl and the first thing i'd do when i woke up was take a hit... stuff is awful. took me to my rock bottom. lost my friends, my house, and had to move back home to get away from it. i was spending about $120 a week on it.
and yet every time i go to a head shop i make sure i have enough money in my pocket to buy some if they happen to sell it. even though i know it ruined my life, the feeling is so powerful and gripping that i can't say no to it. spice is no joke. im almost sweating just typing about it.
Damn. I know the feeling. I've had countless times where I've used it, felt like I was going to die, freaked out about how I'm destroying my awesome brain, and vowed never to do it again.
Then 15 minutes later, HAAAY LETS LOAD ANOTHER BOWL
It's not even that pleasurable, if I'm gonna do something this addictive I might as well just get some meth.
Jeez, hopefully I can just get a medical MJ card so that I don't have to bother with this any more. Congratulations to the war on marijuana, your drug tests are doing a fine job keeping people from using natural pot >.<
Just for context though I haven't used any in 24 hours and I don't plan on getting any more. But I say that every time I finish a canister. Sigh.
Just do other things to keep you preoccupied. Exercise, think about eating healthy and remind yourself how terrible fake weed is for you.
On January 16 2013 15:47 sertman wrote: i was addicted to it for seven months... couldn't go 30 minutes without another bowl and the first thing i'd do when i woke up was take a hit... stuff is awful. took me to my rock bottom. lost my friends, my house, and had to move back home to get away from it. i was spending about $120 a week on it.
and yet every time i go to a head shop i make sure i have enough money in my pocket to buy some if they happen to sell it. even though i know it ruined my life, the feeling is so powerful and gripping that i can't say no to it. spice is no joke. im almost sweating just typing about it.
Damn. I know the feeling. I've had countless times where I've used it, felt like I was going to die, freaked out about how I'm destroying my awesome brain, and vowed never to do it again.
Then 15 minutes later, HAAAY LETS LOAD ANOTHER BOWL
It's not even that pleasurable, if I'm gonna do something this addictive I might as well just get some meth.
Jeez, hopefully I can just get a medical MJ card so that I don't have to bother with this any more. Congratulations to the war on marijuana, your drug tests are doing a fine job keeping people from using natural pot >.<
Just for context though I haven't used any in 24 hours and I don't plan on getting any more. But I say that every time I finish a canister. Sigh.
Just do other things to keep you preoccupied. Exercise, think about eating healthy and remind yourself how terrible fake weed is for you.
Yeah that should help. Actually last time I was doing this stuff, I walked halfway to the store, thought about the feeling I had the previous time I'd purchased some, and actually turned around and went home. Was pretty proud of my self for not being a complete retard for once.
It's a bit harder now though, because I'm in a position where I have nothing to do but sit on the computer for about a week. I think I'll manage though :x
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These synthetic cannabinoids are full agonists of the CB1/CB2 receptors, whereas natural THC is only a partial agonist. This means it is possible to "overdose" in a way with synthetics which is not possible with weed, which is what has caused the few horror stories I'm assuming. So I only tried a small amount.
