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On January 24 2013 12:00 Marcus420 wrote: bahhh this documentary reeks of sensationalism.
Yes they are bad for you but give me a break. No, they're really, really bad for you, dude. You're much better off doing many other recreational drugs. Amphetamine is much safer and so is moderate amounts of cocaine or ecstasy. Weed is obviously better for you than the synthetic stuff.
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On January 24 2013 11:50 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 11:53 Bahku wrote: Zerg, here's how I see it: If you use something to alter your brain chemistry for recreational or medical use, it's a drug.
Because there's no other word that "marijuana" and "meth" both fit. But they're clearly in the same category of usage. They have different effects, but they're used for the same reason (to get high). There has to be some word that generally means "things you use to get buzzed or high" and that word happens to be "drug." I think you're just making things more difficult when you try to put different mind-altering substances into their own categories, instead of having a term that fits all of them.
Of course, people abuse this by saying shit like "marijuana is a drug, so it's dangerous," but just because those people are fuckwits doesn't mean we should have to change our vocabulary. Bahku, do you realize that sugar does what you're talking about? That food does what you're talking about? That money does what you're talking about? ( http://blogs.hbr.org/schwartz/2010/10/dopes-and-dopamine-the-problem.html) Computer games and facebook do this, too. There's clearly a difference between types of drugs, as well. An amphetamine does not have anywhere near the same effect as an opiate/narcotic. A psychedelic doesn't do anything like a barbiturate. A tricyclic antidepressant doesn't work anything like caffeine. THC* is totally different from other drugs in a qualitative sense, as well. I'm just saying that it's really important to be very specific as to what we're talking about for the purposes of discussion. That's just the social scientist in me. I like to start out by clearly defining what I'm talking about so that everyone can be on the same page.
Kind of silly to compare sensory inputs causing natural changes in brain chemistry to compounds which change your brain/blood chemistry in ways that, generally speaking, don't happen naturally. Yes, they both affect your view of the world and your emotional state, but they're still apples and oranges (which are both fruit, but behave differently).
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On January 24 2013 12:03 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 12:00 Marcus420 wrote: bahhh this documentary reeks of sensationalism.
Yes they are bad for you but give me a break. No, they're really, really bad for you, dude. You're much better off doing many other recreational drugs. Amphetamine is much safer and so is moderate amounts of cocaine or ecstasy. Weed is obviously better for you than the synthetic stuff. I agree completely, but i dont like the scare tactic approach the video takes.
I've actually done mephedrone which is mentioned in this video alot.
Its very speedy and a little bit of empathy. If you do it a few times you can feel yourself going a bit crazy
I only did it a couple times and vowed to never touch RC's again (research chemicals)
Theres literally so many kinds of these things
heres another i bought. I was so stupid.
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I think the point of this thread has pretty much come down to this
- Synthetics are bad for you
- People in here disagree on what constitutes a drug
- Synthetics are really bad for you
- People in here disagree on whether or not a drug holding entity is a drug itself
- Synthetics are really fucking bad for you
am I somewhat accurate here? I don't understand why we aren't talking about synthetics anymore, other than the fact that I think we have established they are very bad for you, and now we are discussing what consitutes a drug. I think that deserves another thread all by itself though :/.
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so they release a new one instantly after the gov bans the current ones. so my question is, how many different variants can they come up with? Is there an almost infinite number of variants they can make (as in, this stuff is never going away)?
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heres a few ^
you can see by the names how you can get many similar(and some not) chemicals by making small changes
Im sure you can find a list of all the known ones..
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We are talking about Spice and other similar products right?
Read up on erowid that most of them are just scam products where they have a huge mix of exotic crap and then sprinkle in synthetic THC powder.
Tried some Spice Gold before, really heavy indica reaction for me. Wasn't really worth it so never went back for more.
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On January 24 2013 12:49 pyrogenetix wrote: We are talking about Spice and other similar products right?
Read up on erowid that most of them are just scam products where they have a huge mix of exotic crap and then sprinkle in synthetic THC powder.
Tried some Spice Gold before, really heavy indica reaction for me. Wasn't really worth it so never went back for more. Generally the weed replicas are the least worst of the offenders..
its the speed, coke, mdma replacement ones that are the worst.
They really mess with your heart rate, and doing them enough can make you a bit/very psychotic.
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Drugs, an interesting thing that has always sparked my curiosity. I often wonder and am tempted. Not gonna lie though, I wouldn't ever trust myself with any of it... I can't even control myself enough to do homework sometimes. How the fuck am I going to control the use of an addictive drug .-.
In any case, I'd take marijuana over that stuff.
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Don't worry about that. As example my doctor prescribed me to use CBD, to reduce pain and insomnia. Such product has really good points to use not just for fun, but in medal way as well. So once again don't worry, i am pretty sure you have great sleep and you feel yourself fresh when you woke up. Part of my family as well is using some cbd flowers. The most important is to find best cbd hemp vendors, where you will be sure that you will buy good products, where is different sorts. I was able to find one for myself.
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I feel like there is enough information out there showing how bad synthetic cannabis is. It seems weird for this to be a thread on TL.
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