On January 16 2013 14:42 CursOr wrote: The tests for MJ test for many other cannaboids that stay in the system much longer than THC.
I smoked Marijuana for many years, but after I stopped I realized that the worst part about it was that it made me so damn content to just do nothing with my life. I was too lazy, messed up college real bad, and had no job/ or crappy jobs- and after I put it away, I started actually doing things. How crazy is that?
Not that crazy. All you did was attach your marijuana use with irresponsibility, so when you threw out marijuana, of course you felt like you were doing more.
What you're completely ignoring is the fact that you had complete control of what you were doing while stoned. Don't blame marijuana because you're a lazy ass hole. Blame yourself.
Slow down there cowboy, you're suggesting that drugs don't impair judgement. That's obviously not true. I'm not saying people shouldn't be responsible for their own actions, but don't pretend that marijuana doesn't affect behavior.
It will get you way higher than weed, but like some one else mentioned its not the natural high you get from weed. It feels like a synthetic high. I would say its closer to crack than it is weed, a lot closer. The addiction from spice or k2 is much stronger than you'll ever have from weed and is more like a crack addiction. The danger it presents to your health is also much closer to crack than weed. You can die from it, people have died. You can have seizures, you can have convulsions and tremors and even cardiac arrest. Its not a joke.
Synthetic marijuana is nothing like marijuana. It is a hard drug. Be careful.
On January 16 2013 17:49 jinorazi wrote: is the price the only reason to use this instead?
No its legal, and you can pass drug test.
"On November 24, 2010, the DEA announced that it would make JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200, CP-47,497, and cannabicyclohexanol, which are often found in synthetic cannabis, illegal using emergency powers."
if its legal, it means the new ones aren't using those chemicals? i assume it just isnt enforced.
edit: temporary federal ban, ban varies by state. but it seems they could be tested for.
Do not use it. Research chemicals weren't designed to be used in this kind of way, the high is not a real high, and one day your brain will fuck itself over and your life may be ruined forever.
On January 16 2013 18:02 sluggaslamoo wrote: Do not use it. Research chemicals weren't designed to be used in this kind of way, the high is not a real high, and one day your brain will fuck itself over and your life may be ruined forever.
Don't scare me like that, makes me wonder if I've lost all my potential just with the abuse I've had so far >.<
On January 16 2013 18:02 sluggaslamoo wrote: Do not use it. Research chemicals weren't designed to be used in this kind of way, the high is not a real high, and one day your brain will fuck itself over and your life may be ruined forever.
Don't scare me like that, makes me wonder if I've lost all my potential just with the abuse I've had so far >.<
Na man it takes some long term abuse to do severe damage. Just quit it. You'll be alright.
On January 16 2013 18:02 sluggaslamoo wrote: Do not use it. Research chemicals weren't designed to be used in this kind of way, the high is not a real high, and one day your brain will fuck itself over and your life may be ruined forever.
Don't scare me like that, makes me wonder if I've lost all my potential just with the abuse I've had so far >.<
Some of the stories I've seen are truly frightening, one of the bad ones was about a guy who started getting constant migranes and eventually he had episodes where he felt like his brain was melting, in agony for hours, and even when he quit it would still happen several years later up to several times a day, and I don't think it ever went away. He only had been on it for a couple months I think and he became permantly screwed for life with this condition, he is unable to work or drive or do anything.
A lot of people will start getting migranes at some point, my friend complains of headaches, its just not good.
On January 16 2013 18:02 sluggaslamoo wrote: Do not use it. Research chemicals weren't designed to be used in this kind of way, the high is not a real high, and one day your brain will fuck itself over and your life may be ruined forever.
Don't scare me like that, makes me wonder if I've lost all my potential just with the abuse I've had so far >.<
Na man it takes some long term abuse to do severe damage. Just quit it. You'll be alright.
This is not true. Although the previous poster is probably alright as long as he is not having problems so far, some people can start having severe problems immediately and even die.
I can say one thing about this particular "trend" (bath salts aka synthetic marijuana): it is not worth the risk (as if many drugs are lol).
Get this: A friend of a friend had been using this chemical and went home in extreme psychosis. He cut his neck with a kitchen knife with his father standing nearby (who happen to be a doctor) and was rushed to the ER. He was saved because the cut missed his jugular and was sent home the following night and fell asleep with his father holding him. When his father fell asleep the son got up, walked into the garage and shot himself in the head. Swear to anything I hold dear that this is true and was a direct result of the bath salts.
Watch the first ten minutes of this. This shit is nothing to be fucked with!
If you want to be stupid, go smoke pot but don't mess with the new research chemicals/designer drugs.
Listen, I've been a Paramedic for 3 years. I work in the county that has the highest abuse and deaths (both intentional and non) from opiate abuse in the United States. I am admittedly a former pothead and sincerely hope that it becomes legal one day. I've seen it all when it comes to drug abuse and overdose.
Anyone that smokes this stuff is putting their health and life at risk. I'm not being all melodramatic here, I don't care if you smoke, drink, whatever. Live your life as you choose. However if you really want to experience what it feels like to have a massive heart attack, seizures, excited delirium go right on ahead and give this crap a shot. I've had patients who smoked this wonderful drug and were found in a bystanders backyard naked with a baseball bat threatening to "Kill the earth." Otherwise normal, healthy people. I've seen professional athletes use this stuff ONE TIME and almost cause permanent damage to their heart because it jumped their BP to 220/120 with a HR of 170. You have any idea how much cocaine you would have to do to get that same response from your nervous system? You don't have enough money too, unless your Stephano or MVP. I've had to see the decapitated bodies of a 44yo man, his two 20yo aged sons and 13yo boy mangled inside of a car. The person who hit them was high on this stuff and driving 90MPH down a 35MPH road. I've seen a lot of weird and disturbing stuff but the faces of that family? I continue to lose sleep over the image of their faces. I don't share this with anyone in my personal life, the anonymity of the internets allows me to do so with you. I hope this give you guys an idea of how strongly I feel about this subject.
You want to know how many people I've brought to the ER because of weed in 3 years? None. Cocaine? Maybe in the ballpark of 15 - 20. Opiates? A lot, yeah... but I've seen more people die or have serious life changing events directly related to the use of this drug in the past year then I've seen all other drugs combined in 3.
You know what I tell my patients who are consequently in the back of my ambulance because of smoking this synthetic shit? Just smoke the real shit. Seriously.
/rant
Edit: I have the flu any my brain is not working. I apologize for any cringe-inducing grammatical errors.
On January 16 2013 18:02 sluggaslamoo wrote: Do not use it. Research chemicals weren't designed to be used in this kind of way, the high is not a real high, and one day your brain will fuck itself over and your life may be ruined forever.
Don't scare me like that, makes me wonder if I've lost all my potential just with the abuse I've had so far >.<
Some of the stories I've seen are truly frightening, one of the bad ones was about a guy who started getting constant migranes and eventually he had episodes where he felt like his brain was melting, in agony for hours, and even when he quit it would still happen several years later up to several times a day, and I don't think it ever went away. He only had been on it for a couple months I think and he became permantly screwed for life with this condition, he is unable to work or drive or do anything.
A lot of people will start getting migranes at some point, my friend complains of headaches, its just not good.
On January 16 2013 18:02 sluggaslamoo wrote: Do not use it. Research chemicals weren't designed to be used in this kind of way, the high is not a real high, and one day your brain will fuck itself over and your life may be ruined forever.
Don't scare me like that, makes me wonder if I've lost all my potential just with the abuse I've had so far >.<
Na man it takes some long term abuse to do severe damage. Just quit it. You'll be alright.
This is not true. Although the previous poster is probably alright as long as he is not having problems so far, some people can start having severe problems immediately and even die.
I already said in my previous post you can die. He was worried about the effects it has done to his brain. For the most part you are not going to have any permanent damage from short term use. That mostly only comes from long term abuse.
On January 16 2013 14:42 CursOr wrote: The tests for MJ test for many other cannaboids that stay in the system much longer than THC.
I smoked Marijuana for many years, but after I stopped I realized that the worst part about it was that it made me so damn content to just do nothing with my life. I was too lazy, messed up college real bad, and had no job/ or crappy jobs- and after I put it away, I started actually doing things. How crazy is that?
Not that crazy. All you did was attach your marijuana use with irresponsibility, so when you threw out marijuana, of course you felt like you were doing more.
What you're completely ignoring is the fact that you had complete control of what you were doing while stoned. Don't blame marijuana because you're a lazy ass hole. Blame yourself.
Okay, I'm gonna associate my "struggling with depression and barely maintaining a 1.2 GPA" with weed, and my current 4.0 with "weed is best in moderation," and continue on that track, because shit seems to be working pretty well for me. XD
edit: there is nothing wrong with responsible use of weed. the majority of my friends smoke and are fully functioning and generally awesome people. don't pretend it's some harmless happy funtime bullshit that does nothing wrong though, because it is not. people who already have issues can develop an abusive relationship with weed, and that is not good.
On January 16 2013 18:16 WedgeSTL wrote: Oh dear lord Jesus IT'S A FIARH.
Listen, I've been a Paramedic for 3 years. I work in the county that has the highest abuse and deaths (both intentional and non) from opiate abuse in the United States. I am admittedly a former pothead and sincerely hope that it becomes legal one day. I've seen it all when it comes to drug abuse and overdose.
Anyone that smokes this stuff is putting their health and life at risk. I'm not being all melodramatic here, I don't care if you smoke, drink, whatever. Live your life as you choose. However if you really want to experience what it feels like to have a massive heart attack, seizures, excited delirium go right on ahead and give this crap a shot. I've had patients who smoked this wonderful drug and were found in a bystanders backyard naked with a baseball bat threatening to "Kill the earth." Otherwise normal, healthy people. I've seen professional athletes use this stuff ONE TIME and almost cause permanent damage to their heart because it jumped their BP to 220/120 with a HR of 170. You have any idea how much cocaine you would have to do to get that same response from your nervous system? You don't have enough money too, unless your Stephano or MVP. I've had to see the decapitated bodies of a 44yo man, his two 20yo aged sons and 13yo boy mangled inside of a car. The person who hit them was high on this stuff and driving 90MPH down a 35MPH road. I've seen a lot of weird and disturbing stuff but the faces of that family? I continue to lose sleep over the image of their faces. I don't share this with anyone in my personal life, the anonymity of the internets allows me to do so with you. I hope this give you guys an idea of how strongly I feel about this subject.
You want to know how many people I've brought to the ER because of weed in 3 years? None. Cocaine? Maybe in the ballpark of 15 - 20. Opiates? A lot, yeah... but I've seen more people die or have serious life changing events directly related to the use of this drug in the past year then I've seen all other drugs combined in 3.
You know what I tell my patients who are consequently in the back of my ambulance because of smoking this synthetic shit? Just smoke the real shit. Seriously.
/rant
Edit: I have the flu any my brain is not working. I apologize for any cringe-inducing grammatical errors.
Oh dear
Thanks a lot for giving a post from authority. Your claim that this is essentially more dangerous than cocaine and opiates really puts things into perspective and shows how important it is to stay away from this useless catshit.
@Amityville: What is "long term use"? I've been on and off spice (mostly off) for about two years, sometimes using consistently for months at a time. Do you think I've hampered my intelligence by a noticeable amount? The only thing I've ever had pride for was my above-average intelligence, if I've thrown that away then I have no clue what I'll do with my self.
@Corpus:
there is nothing wrong with responsible use of weed. the majority of my friends smoke and are fully functioning and generally awesome people. don't pretend it's some harmless happy funtime bullshit that does nothing wrong though, because it is not. people who already have issues can develop an abusive relationship with weed, and that is not good.
My thoughts exactly. Some people think weed should be illegal, others think it's harmless and everyone should do it. I think both of those stances are completely moronic. Don't underestimate the harm that even natural weed can bring, even though plenty of people use it with no trouble.
I agree with the hoby2000 when he said that weed doesn't make you lazy. If you're lazy on weed, than you're a lazy person no matter what, it's just the weed allows you not to give a fuck and continue doing nothing.
As a side note, for anyone having problems being lazy and procrastinating, I would greatly suggest that you read "The War of Art" by Steven Pressfield.
About the current topic, after reading even more posts about how messed up this "spice" is, I stick to my previous stance, stay the fuck away from that shit!
On January 16 2013 14:42 CursOr wrote: The tests for MJ test for many other cannaboids that stay in the system much longer than THC.
I smoked Marijuana for many years, but after I stopped I realized that the worst part about it was that it made me so damn content to just do nothing with my life. I was too lazy, messed up college real bad, and had no job/ or crappy jobs- and after I put it away, I started actually doing things. How crazy is that?
Not that crazy. All you did was attach your marijuana use with irresponsibility, so when you threw out marijuana, of course you felt like you were doing more.
What you're completely ignoring is the fact that you had complete control of what you were doing while stoned. Don't blame marijuana because you're a lazy ass hole. Blame yourself.
Okay, I'm gonna associate my "struggling with depression and barely maintaining a 1.2 GPA" with weed, and my current 4.0 with "weed is best in moderation," and continue on that track, because shit seems to be working pretty well for me. XD
edit: there is nothing wrong with responsible use of weed. the majority of my friends smoke and are fully functioning and generally awesome people. don't pretend it's some harmless happy funtime bullshit that does nothing wrong though, because it is not. people who already have issues can develop an abusive relationship with weed, and that is not good.
From my observations of friends and experiences in life, I can shamelessly say that marijuana is most likely the least harmful drug (compared to other recreation drugs, that is) known to exist. Yes, its amotivational effects have been experimentally proven and it may act as a gateway, but the argument as it being the best of all evils is strong. I don't support its use nor do I criticize those who use it "responsibly."
On January 16 2013 18:16 WedgeSTL wrote: Oh dear lord Jesus IT'S A FIARH.
Listen, I've been a Paramedic for 3 years. I work in the county that has the highest abuse and deaths (both intentional and non) from opiate abuse in the United States. I am admittedly a former pothead and sincerely hope that it becomes legal one day. I've seen it all when it comes to drug abuse and overdose.
Anyone that smokes this stuff is putting their health and life at risk. I'm not being all melodramatic here, I don't care if you smoke, drink, whatever. Live your life as you choose. However if you really want to experience what it feels like to have a massive heart attack, seizures, excited delirium go right on ahead and give this crap a shot. I've had patients who smoked this wonderful drug and were found in a bystanders backyard naked with a baseball bat threatening to "Kill the earth." Otherwise normal, healthy people. I've seen professional athletes use this stuff ONE TIME and almost cause permanent damage to their heart because it jumped their BP to 220/120 with a HR of 170. You have any idea how much cocaine you would have to do to get that same response from your nervous system? You don't have enough money too, unless your Stephano or MVP. I've had to see the decapitated bodies of a 44yo man, his two 20yo aged sons and 13yo boy mangled inside of a car. The person who hit them was high on this stuff and driving 90MPH down a 35MPH road. I've seen a lot of weird and disturbing stuff but the faces of that family? I continue to lose sleep over the image of their faces. I don't share this with anyone in my personal life, the anonymity of the internets allows me to do so with you. I hope this give you guys an idea of how strongly I feel about this subject.
You want to know how many people I've brought to the ER because of weed in 3 years? None. Cocaine? Maybe in the ballpark of 15 - 20. Opiates? A lot, yeah... but I've seen more people die or have serious life changing events directly related to the use of this drug in the past year then I've seen all other drugs combined in 3.
You know what I tell my patients who are consequently in the back of my ambulance because of smoking this synthetic shit? Just smoke the real shit. Seriously.
/rant
Edit: I have the flu any my brain is not working. I apologize for any cringe-inducing grammatical errors.
Oh dear
Thanks a lot for giving a post from authority. Your claim that this is essentially more dangerous than cocaine and opiates really puts things into perspective and shows how important it is to stay away from this useless catshit.
@Amityville: What is "long term use"? I've been on and off spice (mostly off) for about two years, sometimes using consistently for months at a time. Do you think I've hampered my intelligence by a noticeable amount? The only thing I've ever had pride for was my above-average intelligence, if I've thrown that away then I have no clue what I'll do with my self.
there is nothing wrong with responsible use of weed. the majority of my friends smoke and are fully functioning and generally awesome people. don't pretend it's some harmless happy funtime bullshit that does nothing wrong though, because it is not. people who already have issues can develop an abusive relationship with weed, and that is not good.
My thoughts exactly. Some people think weed should be illegal, others think it's harmless and everyone should do it. I think both of those stances are completely moronic. Don't underestimate the harm that even natural weed can bring, even though plenty of people use it with no trouble.
Bro your post is enough to let me know that you are above the average intelligence level in this country. I think you are greatly overestimating the average intelligence in the United States.
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