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I think the best way to describe my kind of introversion, I would say I enjoy the company of others but I do not require it.
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I really liked the Einstein quote:
"The monotony and solitude of a quiet life stimulates the creative mind."
But I am I guess what you would call a former introvert and have recently converted to extrovertism which I thought was just a phase everyone goes through during college. But at what point can you call yourself an extrovert? My theory is that your VERT is a virtue and that you can't be too introverted and too extroverted but you need a perfect balance of both because in some situations being one or the other may save you from situations like work, school, relationships, etc...
Extrovert (vice) <-------------------------------both(virtue)------------------------------->Introvert (vice)
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Very cool thread. Thanks for sharing this. I always felt that being introverted was a bad thing, but suddenly I feel a lot better about myself.
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INTP
But if you wanna be successful you have to learn to small talk and communicate. Its one of the most important lifeskills to have.
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I got ISTP: "Engineer". Values freedom of action and following interests and impulses. Independent, concise in speech, master of tools. 5.4% of total population.
Given that I have an engineering degree I find it quite fitting. =]
Could someone explain in laymans terms the difference between sensing and intuiting? Thanks!
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Honestly, I'm quiet not because I'm afraid of social interaction but because I just enjoy watching people talk.
Just shut up for a moment and listen to people some time. It's hilarious.
Gonna take this test thing though now, see if I'm INTP or ENJF or whatever
EDIT: Man I'm a great guesser. INTP it was. Interesting.
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Holy shit them 10 myths is me in a nutshell. I don't even.
Edit: This thread man, best read I've had in a while.
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Thanks for this thread, I understand myself much better with that. For example, I couldn't figure out why I've never been able to say much except to people that really shares some of the same interests as me, I can listen and answer to people and crack a few jokes here and there, but even if I try to come up with small talk, nothing really comes.
Also, that myth thing is very well done, it's all me.
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On December 21 2012 14:11 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 12:05 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:55 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:44 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:32 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 21 2012 11:14 Mstring wrote:I think we've all gotten your point by now  I'm really not sure what your point in all of this really is, though. As far as I can tell, it's essentially some hippie-esque stance of "Down with labels". If your contribution to this thread is really just some aversion to giving things names, I'd suggest making your own thread to discuss it. That's really what it comes down to. What he doesn't realize is that it's him putting a 'label' on labels. I've been there. Again, you're doing me. "He doesn't realize X", "You're too Y", "You are Z". These are all assumptions that you can foolishly choose to accept as truth, or leave them as an unknown and seek further if you are curious to the possibilities. Denying possibilities diminishes freedom. This is exactly analogous to my gripes with the introversion/extroversion concept. Good luck brother. If you actually realized X then you wouldn't do V, at least according to my intuition which I happen to trust. You're right, I can't prove that you didn't realize that. But you were indeed putting a label on labels whether you realized it or not. And now you have yourself expressed the label that you have put on labels. According to you, 'labeling' is analogous to 'denying possibilities'. good luck to you too. All of my comments are about identifying with concepts. Labels as a shortcut to complicated concepts has never been a part of this discussion so please do not bring it up again. If you identify with a rigid concept ("I am X") you are limiting your possibilities to whatever X entails. It's really that simple. Your way (which as far as I can interpret is to basically not try to understand your strengths/weaknesses/preferences)
You have misinterpreted.
I am not assuming that every piece of my personality is introverted (not even close). But knowing that the fact that I like to be alone a lot is just what I fucking like and can even be a good thing makes it okay to tell people to leave me alone.
How does invoking the concept of introversion help you in this regard? You're just making your preferences known. It's ok! Not because you're an "introvert", but because we all have our own unique preferences! No one needs external validation for their preferences.
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On December 21 2012 14:11 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 12:05 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:55 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:44 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:32 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 21 2012 11:14 Mstring wrote:I think we've all gotten your point by now I'm really not sure what your point in all of this really is, though. As far as I can tell, it's essentially some hippie-esque stance of "Down with labels". If your contribution to this thread is really just some aversion to giving things names, I'd suggest making your own thread to discuss it. That's really what it comes down to. What he doesn't realize is that it's him putting a 'label' on labels. I've been there. Again, you're doing me. "He doesn't realize X", "You're too Y", "You are Z". These are all assumptions that you can foolishly choose to accept as truth, or leave them as an unknown and seek further if you are curious to the possibilities. Denying possibilities diminishes freedom. This is exactly analogous to my gripes with the introversion/extroversion concept. Good luck brother. If you actually realized X then you wouldn't do V, at least according to my intuition which I happen to trust. You're right, I can't prove that you didn't realize that. But you were indeed putting a label on labels whether you realized it or not. And now you have yourself expressed the label that you have put on labels. According to you, 'labeling' is analogous to 'denying possibilities'. good luck to you too. All of my comments are about identifying with concepts. Labels as a shortcut to complicated concepts has never been a part of this discussion so please do not bring it up again. If you identify with a rigid concept ("I am X") you are limiting your possibilities to whatever X entails. It's really that simple. What exactly do you think the Possibilities of introversion entails? Introversion and Extraversion (etc) are not rigid concepts that you're supposed to identify with. They're psychological preferences and the OP literally states that everyone does both of them.
That's the issue here. You're celebrating them like some kind of lifestyle and something you have to deal with and embrace without any possible change. That's putting people into arbitrary categories, it's limiting personal growth.
Not to mention the insane amount of coldreading in those tests you present as "make this test and find out who you really are!"..
Edit: What I'm getting at, it's fine to say "I enjoy being alone from time to time" - saying "I enjoy being alone from time to time because I'm an introvert" is plain stupid because it removes any kind of personal responsibility or choice from the equation. The only reason to use this statement is to feel better about ones actions by shifting away "blame" or responsibility.
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On December 21 2012 14:49 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 14:11 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 12:05 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:55 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:44 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:32 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 21 2012 11:14 Mstring wrote:I think we've all gotten your point by now I'm really not sure what your point in all of this really is, though. As far as I can tell, it's essentially some hippie-esque stance of "Down with labels". If your contribution to this thread is really just some aversion to giving things names, I'd suggest making your own thread to discuss it. That's really what it comes down to. What he doesn't realize is that it's him putting a 'label' on labels. I've been there. Again, you're doing me. "He doesn't realize X", "You're too Y", "You are Z". These are all assumptions that you can foolishly choose to accept as truth, or leave them as an unknown and seek further if you are curious to the possibilities. Denying possibilities diminishes freedom. This is exactly analogous to my gripes with the introversion/extroversion concept. Good luck brother. If you actually realized X then you wouldn't do V, at least according to my intuition which I happen to trust. You're right, I can't prove that you didn't realize that. But you were indeed putting a label on labels whether you realized it or not. And now you have yourself expressed the label that you have put on labels. According to you, 'labeling' is analogous to 'denying possibilities'. good luck to you too. All of my comments are about identifying with concepts. Labels as a shortcut to complicated concepts has never been a part of this discussion so please do not bring it up again. If you identify with a rigid concept ("I am X") you are limiting your possibilities to whatever X entails. It's really that simple. What exactly do you think the Possibilities of introversion entails? Introversion and Extraversion (etc) are not rigid concepts that you're supposed to identify with. They're psychological preferences and the OP literally states that everyone does both of them. That's the issue here. You're celebrating them like some kind of lifestyle and something you have to deal with and embrace without any possible change. That's putting people into arbitrary categories, it's limiting personal growth. Not to mention the insane amount of coldreading in those tests you present as "make this test and find out who you really are!".. Edit: What I'm getting at, it's fine to say "I enjoy being alone from time to time" - saying "I enjoy being alone from time to time because I'm an introvert" is plain stupid because it removes any kind of personal responsibility or choice from the equation. The only reason to use this statement is to feel better about ones actions by shifting away "blame" or responsibility.
Even extroverts enjoy being alone from time to time, there is no blame or responsibility in these choices.
I am an introvert and the only way I handle large groups is to focus on just one or two people at a time otherwise it feels a bit overwhelming. I do this for times that I have to speak in front of an audience as well as when I am at work (I am a waiter). I focus ALL of my attention on a very limited scope.
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Introvert(78%) iNtuitive(75%) iNtuitive Thinking(88%) Judging(11%)
You have strong preference of Introversion over Extraversion (78%)
You have distinctive preference of Intuition over Sensing (75%)
You have strong preference of Thinking over Feeling (88%)
You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (11%)
Same thing every test I took... J/P is meh... but others are strongly favored..
I think those are good read but there is a step II in the MBTI which actually gives a further breakdown and much better explanation.
This is another good test.. I think they provide a good sense of personality:
www.123test.com/personality-test
Honestly, such test are always best taken by answering quickly and not overthinking. They give you a good sense of who you are and such is subject to change as time goes on. By no means do they mean much other than to reaffirm you.
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On December 21 2012 14:59 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 14:49 r.Evo wrote:On December 21 2012 14:11 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 12:05 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:55 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:44 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:32 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 21 2012 11:14 Mstring wrote:I think we've all gotten your point by now I'm really not sure what your point in all of this really is, though. As far as I can tell, it's essentially some hippie-esque stance of "Down with labels". If your contribution to this thread is really just some aversion to giving things names, I'd suggest making your own thread to discuss it. That's really what it comes down to. What he doesn't realize is that it's him putting a 'label' on labels. I've been there. Again, you're doing me. "He doesn't realize X", "You're too Y", "You are Z". These are all assumptions that you can foolishly choose to accept as truth, or leave them as an unknown and seek further if you are curious to the possibilities. Denying possibilities diminishes freedom. This is exactly analogous to my gripes with the introversion/extroversion concept. Good luck brother. If you actually realized X then you wouldn't do V, at least according to my intuition which I happen to trust. You're right, I can't prove that you didn't realize that. But you were indeed putting a label on labels whether you realized it or not. And now you have yourself expressed the label that you have put on labels. According to you, 'labeling' is analogous to 'denying possibilities'. good luck to you too. All of my comments are about identifying with concepts. Labels as a shortcut to complicated concepts has never been a part of this discussion so please do not bring it up again. If you identify with a rigid concept ("I am X") you are limiting your possibilities to whatever X entails. It's really that simple. What exactly do you think the Possibilities of introversion entails? Introversion and Extraversion (etc) are not rigid concepts that you're supposed to identify with. They're psychological preferences and the OP literally states that everyone does both of them. That's the issue here. You're celebrating them like some kind of lifestyle and something you have to deal with and embrace without any possible change. That's putting people into arbitrary categories, it's limiting personal growth. Not to mention the insane amount of coldreading in those tests you present as "make this test and find out who you really are!".. Edit: What I'm getting at, it's fine to say "I enjoy being alone from time to time" - saying "I enjoy being alone from time to time because I'm an introvert" is plain stupid because it removes any kind of personal responsibility or choice from the equation. The only reason to use this statement is to feel better about ones actions by shifting away "blame" or responsibility. Even extroverts enjoy being alone from time to time, there is no blame or responsibility in these choices. I am an introvert and the only way I handle large groups is to focus on just one or two people at a time otherwise it feels a bit overwhelming. I do this for times that I have to speak in front of an audience as well as when I am at work (I am a waiter). I focus ALL of my attention on a very limited scope.
The issue is that the plain statement "I am an introvert" is a limiting belief in itself. Just because some random test on the internet (or random friends during your childhood, your parents, etc.) told you "Wow, you're really the introverted type" is no reason to reinforce that image.
There is an issue as soon as someone says "I do xyz/am able to do xyz because I belong to a certain group of people"
You don't visit Teamliquid because you were born in 1989, because you're male or because you love being a nerd. You visit TL because you like visiting TL. That is all the reason a person should need. Adding something like "...because I am an introvert" to the statement "I enjoy being alone from time to time" does nothing but seek validation from some artificial peer group. Not an awesome standard or something to be proud of to celebrate it.
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From the test, it turns out that I'm an ISTJ. While a lot of the description that comes with being ISTJ fits me, I feel I'm more complex than that. I'm more of a combination of a lot of these personality types, but since most of them probably fit under the ISTJ description, the test has deemed me ISTJ.
Anyways my personal opinion on introversion and extroversion are that humans are far too complex to be placed in either of these 2 categories. Most people are a gray blend of these two. And people change all the time as well. I enjoy time alone like introverts do, but I also need time to talk to others as well. I also feel intelligence or smartness has little to do with people being introverted or extroverted. Just because you're introverted, doesn't make you smart. Just because you're extroverted, doesn't make you stupid.
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On December 21 2012 15:09 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 14:59 TheRabidDeer wrote:On December 21 2012 14:49 r.Evo wrote:On December 21 2012 14:11 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 12:05 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:55 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:44 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 11:32 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 21 2012 11:14 Mstring wrote:I think we've all gotten your point by now I'm really not sure what your point in all of this really is, though. As far as I can tell, it's essentially some hippie-esque stance of "Down with labels". If your contribution to this thread is really just some aversion to giving things names, I'd suggest making your own thread to discuss it. That's really what it comes down to. What he doesn't realize is that it's him putting a 'label' on labels. I've been there. Again, you're doing me. "He doesn't realize X", "You're too Y", "You are Z". These are all assumptions that you can foolishly choose to accept as truth, or leave them as an unknown and seek further if you are curious to the possibilities. Denying possibilities diminishes freedom. This is exactly analogous to my gripes with the introversion/extroversion concept. Good luck brother. If you actually realized X then you wouldn't do V, at least according to my intuition which I happen to trust. You're right, I can't prove that you didn't realize that. But you were indeed putting a label on labels whether you realized it or not. And now you have yourself expressed the label that you have put on labels. According to you, 'labeling' is analogous to 'denying possibilities'. good luck to you too. All of my comments are about identifying with concepts. Labels as a shortcut to complicated concepts has never been a part of this discussion so please do not bring it up again. If you identify with a rigid concept ("I am X") you are limiting your possibilities to whatever X entails. It's really that simple. What exactly do you think the Possibilities of introversion entails? Introversion and Extraversion (etc) are not rigid concepts that you're supposed to identify with. They're psychological preferences and the OP literally states that everyone does both of them. That's the issue here. You're celebrating them like some kind of lifestyle and something you have to deal with and embrace without any possible change. That's putting people into arbitrary categories, it's limiting personal growth. Not to mention the insane amount of coldreading in those tests you present as "make this test and find out who you really are!".. Edit: What I'm getting at, it's fine to say "I enjoy being alone from time to time" - saying "I enjoy being alone from time to time because I'm an introvert" is plain stupid because it removes any kind of personal responsibility or choice from the equation. The only reason to use this statement is to feel better about ones actions by shifting away "blame" or responsibility. Even extroverts enjoy being alone from time to time, there is no blame or responsibility in these choices. I am an introvert and the only way I handle large groups is to focus on just one or two people at a time otherwise it feels a bit overwhelming. I do this for times that I have to speak in front of an audience as well as when I am at work (I am a waiter). I focus ALL of my attention on a very limited scope. The issue is that the plain statement "I am an introvert" is a limiting belief in itself. Just because some random test on the internet (or random friends during your childhood, your parents, etc.) told you "Wow, you're really the introverted type" is no reason to reinforce that image. There is an issue as soon as someone says "I do xyz/am able to do xyz because I belong to a certain group of people" You don't visit Teamliquid because you were born in 1989, because you're male or because you love being a nerd. You visit TL because you like visiting TL. That is all the reason a person should need. Adding something like "...because I am an introvert" to the statement "I enjoy being alone from time to time" does nothing but seek validation from some artificial peer group. Not an awesome standard or something to be proud of to celebrate it.
"because I am an introvert" is just a label that gives a general description about yourself when you might be talking with others. It is a label, not an excuse or a reason. I disagree with your general idea of "saying you are something is an excuse"
What you are doesnt change when you take a test telling you are an ISJT, it is a broad label that describes you.
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wtf i came into this thread thinking i was an extrovert and now im an introvert. Wow i guess its more of a mindset then actual actions of the person that makes them one or the other.
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Wow. That 10 Myths about introverts. I fit every single one.
Holy shit.
I'm an introvert.
Fuck yeah.
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Earl Wilson
If you wouldn’t write it and sign it, don’t say it.
I tend to worry.. well not so much worry but pay more attention to what I say as if I'm the listener. Basically I don't want to sound stupid lol.
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I am a hardcore introvert (INTJ). I have also learned how to be an extrovert (mostly from falling on my face during the process of launching my small business). Next, to take over the world!
TLDR - labels are excuses; man up and get out there (or go home).
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