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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 02 2013 17:47 GMT
#441
I picked up Party of One:The Loners' Manifesto after going through this thread, I am about 90% of the way through it and have to say I would recommend you read Quiet first if you are interested in delving further into the subject. While interesting Party of One very much lives up the the "Manifesto," portion of the title. While Cain tends towards more subtle analysis and comparative examples, Rufus seems more readily subject to vague allegory and anecdotal descriptions of the introvert's experience.

It isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but is simply unexpectedly (and in my opinion unnecessarily) brash about the subject. I would liken it to saying, "We're here, we're introverted, get used to it." To be fair Rufus goes to certain lengths to differentiate between a Loner and an Introvert; I would say great lengths but the qualitative distinction is blurry at best. I have enjoyed both, and am looking over the rest of the books mentioned in the OP.
anatase
Profile Joined May 2010
France532 Posts
January 03 2013 03:46 GMT
#442
I also place myself into INTJ, fact is my girlfriend doesn't always understand I need to be alone or even why i don't answer to everything she says.

Still, being introvert and staying into the silence is pure goldness.

Now i fear that with all these media exposition introvertion might become something "cool" and the word gets ripped out by marketers, as they did with geek.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 04:43:58
January 03 2013 04:42 GMT
#443
It's very weird being extroverted and such a fan of esports, because I love watching SPL/GSL/etc but I can only ever really get friends to come to an MLG So you introverts don't have it all bad

EDIT: Sometimes I find myself going crazy having to watch the above things by myself. I was trying to empathize with you all, but from the other side.
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KiF1rE
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States964 Posts
January 03 2013 05:21 GMT
#444
On January 03 2013 13:42 mierin wrote:
It's very weird being extroverted and such a fan of esports, because I love watching SPL/GSL/etc but I can only ever really get friends to come to an MLG So you introverts don't have it all bad

EDIT: Sometimes I find myself going crazy having to watch the above things by myself. I was trying to empathize with you all, but from the other side.


uhh what.... Most starcraft introverts would actually probably love going out and watching SC2 lol...
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
January 03 2013 05:24 GMT
#445
On January 03 2013 14:21 KiF1rE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 13:42 mierin wrote:
It's very weird being extroverted and such a fan of esports, because I love watching SPL/GSL/etc but I can only ever really get friends to come to an MLG So you introverts don't have it all bad

EDIT: Sometimes I find myself going crazy having to watch the above things by myself. I was trying to empathize with you all, but from the other side.


uhh what.... Most starcraft introverts would actually probably love going out and watching SC2 lol...

I used to want to do that quite a bit... But after seeing enough tournaments pan over the crowd, I lost all desire. Most of the time they seem a little depressing lol.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
January 03 2013 05:30 GMT
#446
I never really considered myself an introvert but much of what I read about introverts in a more positive way describes me pretty well.
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
January 03 2013 05:58 GMT
#447
So... I need some help here.

I dated this introvert girl. She was initially drawn to my extrovert 'aura', how i commanded a room/table and made everyone feel comfortable. I had my eyes set on her from the moment we met and we were both happy to learn that the wish to spend time together was mutual. So we did.

I tried to take her to various social settings but she was reluctant, went to a festival which i loved and she hated. I treasured her company more than that of more superficial acquaintances and therefor chose to spend more time with her and her alone. She had a small circle of friends, all of whom i found uninteresting, i had a large circle towards which she felt the same way. We spent time together very intensively, so much so that we shared everything yet it was always just the two of us.

It wasn't necessarily 'us against the world' but the world certainly seemed unimportant without her. I still went to various parties and gatherings that she preferred to stay out of but the fun in those was tainted - pretty much all my time there was spent thinking how awesome it would be to share those experiences with her (this song, that dance, these jokes). Obviously i was fooling myself, her coming along only resulted in her putting on a facade and me sensing her actual misery.

Things were getting more and more intense and our relationship started becoming an addiction of which we would both constantly overdose.

I'll leave what happens next to some blog or something but basically what i'm getting at here - how do we enjoy things together without only actually enjoying each other? Like whatever it is, scenic walk, cinema, crazy acts of spontaneous urban exploring - in effect we'd probably enjoy a windowless prison cell just as much as long as we were together and i'm not sure this is entirely healthy.
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
January 03 2013 06:02 GMT
#448
Dang nice thread! Could/should have been a TL KnowHow
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
January 03 2013 06:03 GMT
#449
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 03 2013 14:58 Thrill wrote:
So... I need some help here.

I dated this introvert girl. She was initially drawn to my extrovert 'aura', how i commanded a room/table and made everyone feel comfortable. I had my eyes set on her from the moment we met and we were both happy to learn that the wish to spend time together was mutual. So we did.

I tried to take her to various social settings but she was reluctant, went to a festival which i loved and she hated. I treasured her company more than that of more superficial acquaintances and therefor chose to spend more time with her and her alone. She had a small circle of friends, all of whom i found uninteresting, i had a large circle towards which she felt the same way. We spent time together very intensively, so much so that we shared everything yet it was always just the two of us.

It wasn't necessarily 'us against the world' but the world certainly seemed unimportant without her. I still went to various parties and gatherings that she preferred to stay out of but the fun in those was tainted - pretty much all my time there was spent thinking how awesome it would be to share those experiences with her (this song, that dance, these jokes). Obviously i was fooling myself, her coming along only resulted in her putting on a facade and me sensing her actual misery.

Things were getting more and more intense and our relationship started becoming an addiction of which we would both constantly overdose.

I'll leave what happens next to some blog or something but basically what i'm getting at here - how do we enjoy things together without only actually enjoying each other? Like whatever it is, scenic walk, cinema, crazy acts of spontaneous urban exploring - in effect we'd probably enjoy a windowless prison cell just as much as long as we were together and i'm not sure this is entirely healthy.


Girlblog material - although a bit light on the doom and gloom.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
January 03 2013 07:02 GMT
#450
Hey add a extrovert / introvert pool I'm curious!
Try another route paperboy.
Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 07:18:45
January 03 2013 07:18 GMT
#451
defending a set of behaviors pinned to a stereotype is just using the same stereotype with changed meaning, it only strenghtens the stereotype, the proper way to present it, is abandoning false generalization that there is such thing as an introvert or extrovert
Hermetis Vögelein ist mein Nahm verlahs meine Flügel und werde zahm.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5296 Posts
January 03 2013 10:00 GMT
#452
On January 03 2013 16:18 Asmodeusx wrote:
defending a set of behaviors pinned to a stereotype is just using the same stereotype with changed meaning, it only strenghtens the stereotype, the proper way to present it, is abandoning false generalization that there is such thing as an introvert or extrovert

if you look at the moon and say it's round, did you made it round?(just by saying it).
shit is what it is whether you cathegorize it or not.

note: were both half wrong here anyway.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 03 2013 11:22 GMT
#453
On January 03 2013 14:58 Thrill wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
So... I need some help here.

I dated this introvert girl. She was initially drawn to my extrovert 'aura', how i commanded a room/table and made everyone feel comfortable. I had my eyes set on her from the moment we met and we were both happy to learn that the wish to spend time together was mutual. So we did.

I tried to take her to various social settings but she was reluctant, went to a festival which i loved and she hated. I treasured her company more than that of more superficial acquaintances and therefor chose to spend more time with her and her alone. She had a small circle of friends, all of whom i found uninteresting, i had a large circle towards which she felt the same way. We spent time together very intensively, so much so that we shared everything yet it was always just the two of us.

It wasn't necessarily 'us against the world' but the world certainly seemed unimportant without her. I still went to various parties and gatherings that she preferred to stay out of but the fun in those was tainted - pretty much all my time there was spent thinking how awesome it would be to share those experiences with her (this song, that dance, these jokes). Obviously i was fooling myself, her coming along only resulted in her putting on a facade and me sensing her actual misery.

Things were getting more and more intense and our relationship started becoming an addiction of which we would both constantly overdose.

I'll leave what happens next to some blog or something but basically what i'm getting at here - how do we enjoy things together without only actually enjoying each other? Like whatever it is, scenic walk, cinema, crazy acts of spontaneous urban exploring - in effect we'd probably enjoy a windowless prison cell just as much as long as we were together and i'm not sure this is entirely healthy.

I don't see why she should not be comfortable with you at parties. You have the fabled extrovert aura, your very presence animates the room and sets everyone at ease.

But to be honest, this is how things go: you make a friend, then they meet a 'soulmate' and downgrade you to superficial acquaintance. Many couples are like this and aren't necessarily miserable, even though they separate themselves from the world. It might just be a question of finding hobbies and activities the two of you could do together. Reproducing, for instance. It's the perfect way to introduce a new person into your circle, one that is guaranteed to be adored by both you and your girlfriend. And it gives you something to do, and you could tell yourself that your relationship now has transcended into a new level or so.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
January 04 2013 03:35 GMT
#454
Just reactivated Facebook to help me overcome my anxiety. Maybe it'll help me connect more easily with other people
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 07:02:54
January 04 2013 07:02 GMT
#455
On January 04 2013 12:35 Holdenintherye wrote:
Just reactivated Facebook to help me overcome my anxiety. Maybe it'll help me connect more easily with other people
Three questions:

1) Are you ever going to meet anyone you meet in Facebook in real life?

2) How many friends are you comfortable with in real life?

3) Do you really need to let them know about stuff all the time with 'status updates' and whatnot? Why not just send E-mails, talk on the phone, or use skype?

Edit: I don't expect an answer to these questions, but think on them.
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
January 04 2013 15:27 GMT
#456
On January 03 2013 16:02 Steel wrote:
Hey add a extrovert / introvert pool I'm curious!


A poll like that would be interesting. Not sure if everyone is happy with a categorization like that but those who are would be represented in that poll.

That's one of the most well-made threads I've seen. Go Barrin!
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 07 2013 06:59 GMT
#457
On January 05 2013 00:27 JOJOsc2news wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 16:02 Steel wrote:
Hey add a extrovert / introvert pool I'm curious!


A poll like that would be interesting. Not sure if everyone is happy with a categorization like that but those who are would be represented in that poll.

That's one of the most well-made threads I've seen. Go Barrin!

dont forget the ambiverts
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 07 2013 08:08 GMT
#458
Good collection here. It's been only a few months since I had an awakening reading about what Jung thought about introversion and extroversion. It's about preference and it's about inclination, not two hard camps unable to engage in the others. Society misjudges introverts and concludes that they're inhabited by the permanently socially awkward, the loners, the shy. Introverts take fascinating subjects and are more likely to reflect on them later alone than with a couple of friends at the coffee shop later. Even the ultimate label leaves gray area for activities or subjects where introverts express counter inclinations. I think we all grow when we understand that people disinclined to extroversion are not automatically shut-ins.

Now, I listen to the Susan Cain videos, and I find one eloquent speaker that affirms some of those puzzling things growing up and into modern adult society. Why the hell can't I go with my own suitcase of books to read them with others for a time, punctuated by conversation or discussion at the end of a time? Why is having a group that is more likely to contain a few genuine socially awkward people (totally disconnected with extroverted thought processes) so looked down upon in comparison with an opposite group more likely to contain a few genuinely clueless people when it comes to self reflection (totally disconnected with introverted thought processes). To say either camp is preferable is akin to the lunacy described by Cain in her TED lecture: The fully committed brain in one or the other is the brain of a lunatic.

Good questions were brought up by Susan Cain and the rest of the body of work found in the thread. What if schools are killing the seeds of imagination with too much of a focus on teamwork and it's lack of I's? Is the modern educational consensus pushing square pegs into round holes along with the round ones, by shaving off the edges of the square? The round pegs keep their original character and the square pegs lose some of their essentiality to pass the hurdle. I harken back to Orwell's Politics and the English Language, where no examination of language results in a parade of meaningless phrases. Maybe now we are also in danger of letting only outward parties and frequent communication dominate our thought development process. Perhaps more time needs to be stolen back by quiet examination of our own actions, thoughts, and personality traits.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12621 Posts
January 07 2013 10:48 GMT
#459
I am more or less an introvert who had been pushed to become more extrovert by the society.
My dad especially constantly reminding me that speaking out my thoughts is extremely important, so that it may help others to understand me

However the truth is that I prefer to listen to others and share my opinion if only necessary.

I think it's important to not lose track of who you really are, but also you have to remember that the world will reject you if you are contained by yourself
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
January 17 2013 14:19 GMT
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