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The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it. A gun control topic can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt. |
On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote: Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks. Do Wal-Mart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard?
Probably. I work at a sporting goods store, and we sell any type of ammo you could want.
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Why this always seems to happen in the US of all places..
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Absolutely disgusting
On December 15 2012 03:14 J_Slim wrote: Really America? Again with the shootings?
I fully expect to hear arguments as to why all teachers should be equipped with guns. Because, obviously, guns aren't the issue.
Another sad day.
Wow. It didn't take long for this to infest the thread.
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This is terrible. The worst part in my opinion is that many were young children. Thoughts and prayers go out to the families
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On December 15 2012 03:14 sLideSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote: Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks. Yes, but someone who is willing to go to the extreme of murdering 18 kids is also very willing to go to a far lesser extreme of obtaining a gun illegally or going through a longer process legally. That may be, but we increase the odds that some component of what is supposed to be a thorough screening system catches these sorts of plots in vitro, and making guns even marginally more difficult to acquire would help. Clearly, as fruscainte and JD point out in the last page, more than mere gun access is at work here, but it is certainly a component that needs to revisiting.
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On December 15 2012 03:15 ThreeAcross wrote: Absolutely terrible. I have always been on the side of sending my kids to public schools, but now that I have one I can't imagine doing so with the amount of shootings that are happening.
I can't even comprehend the situation for the parents and families. My prayers are with them. The media coverage in a nation of 300,000,000+ people is warping your perception in my opinion. The kids are still far more likely to die on the drive to school than in a shooting.
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In before many Europeans saying America is bad and gunlaws.
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On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote: Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks. Does Walmart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard?
Everywhere sells ammunition including country gas stations. As for automatic weapons it's an expensive and lengthy process involving federal bureaus.
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Hm, with the frequency of this type of event increasing as it is, by the time my future kids are school age it will be a real threat to their safety... I think I'll home school if at all possible, they can socialize at other things.
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On December 15 2012 03:18 TriO wrote: In before many Europeans saying America is bad and gunlaws.
Too late.
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im shocked and speechless so fuked up and horrific
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On December 15 2012 03:16 J_Slim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote: Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks. Do Wal-Mart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard? Probably. I work at a sporting goods store, and we sell any type of ammo you could want. Ironic though that we don't sell hand guns. Just shot guns and rifles, including the fully automatic rifles that should *only* be in the hands of a soldier on a warfield.
I just don't understand what the practical application is for a military grade assault rifle in the hands of Bob the mechanic. What is he going to use it for? Personal protection? Against what, the Hulk?
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Incredibly sad.
After yet another failure of gun control I hope America can fix their laws to prevent more tragedies such as this
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On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote: Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks. Does Walmart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard?
An automatic weapon fires whatever cartridge it is chambered for. There are handguns that fire 9mm and fully automatic weapons that fire 9mm.
Getting a legal automatic weapon is extremely expensive, but you can order whatever ammo off the internet, which is usually a good idea because bulk pricing is pretty good.
On December 15 2012 03:16 J_Slim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote: Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks. Do Wal-Mart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard? Probably. I work at a sporting goods store, and we sell any type of ammo you could want. Ironic though that we don't sell hand guns. Just shot guns and rifles, including the fully automatic rifles that should *only* be in the hands of a soldier on a warfield.
Your sporting goods store does not sell automatic rifles.
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Fucking disgusting, RIP all those poor kids.
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On December 15 2012 03:16 J_Slim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote: Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks. Do Wal-Mart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard? Probably. I work at a sporting goods store, and we sell any type of ammo you could want. Ironic though that we don't sell hand guns. Just shot guns and rifles, including the fully automatic rifles that should *only* be in the hands of a soldier on a warfield. I highly doubt your store sells automatic weapons. You're probably thinking of semi auto rifles. Department stores don't sell full auto weapons.
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That's quite sad. 2/3 of the dead are only tiny children.
Rest in peace.
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yeah 150.000 people die everyday, yet americans feel like their deaths matters more and post everytime this kind of isolated incident happens zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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On December 15 2012 03:19 leo23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 03:18 TriO wrote: In before many Europeans saying America is bad and gunlaws. Too late.
Yeah, these threads should just be banned. Too many uninformed people show up in droves spouting bullshit. It's already starting with people claiming you can buy automatic weapons from department stores. lol.
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On December 15 2012 03:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 03:15 ThreeAcross wrote: Absolutely terrible. I have always been on the side of sending my kids to public schools, but now that I have one I can't imagine doing so with the amount of shootings that are happening.
I can't even comprehend the situation for the parents and families. My prayers are with them. The media coverage in a nation of 300,000,000+ people is warping your perception in my opinion. The kids are still far more likely to die on the drive to school than in a shooting.
Well... if the root of the problem isn't actually gun control then you have even more difficult problems to tackle, like the possibility of mental health issues, glorification of violence and media coverage feeding frenzies on shootings, and apathy or antipathy for other human beings that's more endemic in the US than other countries. Things that might cause us to look at ourselves and the people who deal with and whom society models after. Because school shootings are much more frequent in the US as a phenomenon than other countries, even ones with rampant violence and corruption in the government and media such as Mexico, Columbia, Liberia, and so forth.
There are more shootings that occur in the US specific to schools than the rest of the world combined multiple times over, and I would hardly classify the US as an impoverished or unprivileged country where you expect this to happen. So what is the actual problem?
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