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The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it.
A gun control topic can be found here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472

Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8567 Posts
December 14 2012 18:29 GMT
#61
this is just sickening... those were fucking children -__-
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
December 14 2012 18:29 GMT
#62
possible 2nd shooter being held
Conquer yourself not the world. - Descartes
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
December 14 2012 18:29 GMT
#63
On December 15 2012 03:27 amazingxkcd wrote:
As if any gun control laws is going to stop bastards from illegally obtaining guns regardless.

Well, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what they can do. It's a lot harder to get a gun illegally when they're not readily available in the first place.
GetSome
Profile Joined May 2010
United States35 Posts
December 14 2012 18:30 GMT
#64
This is not a forum post about gun control...take that shit somewhere else.

This is so, so sad...
Anonymous_Coward
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom1347 Posts
December 14 2012 18:30 GMT
#65
If the elementary school children had their own guns to protect themselves, this would never have happened.

ThreeAcross
Profile Joined January 2011
172 Posts
December 14 2012 18:30 GMT
#66
On December 15 2012 03:26 plated.rawr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 03:15 ThreeAcross wrote:
Absolutely terrible. I have always been on the side of sending my kids to public schools, but now that I have one I can't imagine doing so with the amount of shootings that are happening.

I can't even comprehend the situation for the parents and families. My prayers are with them.

I really can't see how a privatized school would have ended up any different. This REALLY isn't a public versus private thing. At all.

This is absolutely horrific. I can't even begin to imagine how it's like being a parent to one of those kids right now, or five years down the line. If anything is insanity-inducing, this is it.

Edit: That said, apparently the kid of the shooter attends this school. What's the back-story here?


It has nothing to do with public / private schools. I was talking about home schooled.

Of course the chances are slim, but your mind works differently when you have a kid that nearing school age. It isn't just shootings that make me wary of the school system either.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
December 14 2012 18:30 GMT
#67
I'll never understand this world.
nohbrows
Profile Joined February 2011
United States653 Posts
December 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#68
Terribly sickening.

Prayers go out to the families of the victims.

Seizon Senryaku!
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#69
jesus christ too close
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
December 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#70
On December 15 2012 03:24 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 03:18 heliusx wrote:
On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:
On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote:
Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks.


Does Walmart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard?


Everywhere sells ammunition including country gas stations. As for automatic weapons it's an expensive and lengthy process involving federal bureaus.

In theory, it is. In practice, not so much. If you do not believe me, check out this site. Just check out the "equipment exchange" and revel in all of the automatic and semi-automatic weapons being offered. One can literally buy a machine gun directly from another person and have it sent to a local gun shop for pickup without the involvement of a single federal agency. A friend of mine did just that. And if you happen to live in a state with gun shows, just ask a vendor what he's got behind the display. It really is that easy.


You cannot buy a automatic firearm without going through the legal process for it. It takes time to process the request and investigation on you by the ATF after that you must do paperwork with the local law enforcement. There is NO WAY you can legally purchase an auto weapon without going through the ATF it's simply impossible. If anyone is telling you they got a fully auto without federal involvement they are either lying or purchased illegaly.
dude bro.
Firlefanz
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 18:36:23
December 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#71
On December 15 2012 03:24 101toss wrote:
Gun control doesn't stop shit like this

Remember the string of kindergarten knife attacks in china?

So you're going to tell me that it doesn't matter if such a person attacks with a knife or handgun?
Of course there is a difference: Killing someone with a handgun involves a finger movement and it's not necesssary being at close range to the person. It lowers the difficulties/scruple of killing somebody.

On December 15 2012 03:27 amazingxkcd wrote:
As if any gun control laws is going to stop bastards from illegally obtaining guns regardless.

No, but it slows the process and gives people in the environment of the shooter the opportunity to realize theres something wrong with this person and maybe prevent such a tragedy.



Intox
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway62 Posts
December 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#72
What kind of sick fucks would do that to innocent children.. how the hell do you convince yourself actions like that are just?!? Thoughts to the victims and their families, rest in peace.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 14 2012 18:32 GMT
#73
The media makes it worse by focusing all of their reporting on the incident for the next few days, giving so much attention to it makes others want to do the same. For someone who has given up on life and has a gun the idea of becoming a martyr and having the whole world talk about you isn't so bad.

I go to CNN and it says " U.S. SCHOOL MASSACRE " in huge caps with breaking news on the front page, sigh.
Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
December 14 2012 18:32 GMT
#74
On December 15 2012 03:25 .maLice. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 03:23 AgniKai wrote:
yeah 150.000 people die everyday, yet americans feel like their deaths matters more and post everytime this kind of isolated incident happens zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Yeah, sure, but 150,000 elementary school children don't get shot to death by a lunatic everyday you fucking moron.

It doesn't happen any day, ever.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 18:39:48
December 14 2012 18:32 GMT
#75
On December 15 2012 03:27 amazingxkcd wrote:
As if any gun control laws is going to stop bastards from illegally obtaining guns regardless.


There is a direct correlation between access to gun and homicide rates. Thus the more access people have to guns, the more people die.

UNODC murder rates most recent year:

Japan 0.3
Germany 0.8
China 1.0
United Kingdom 1.2
Greece 1.5
Iraq 2.0
Palestine 4.1

United States 4.2

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Let's get the United States out of the gutter when it comes to murder rates. There is no reason for a first world country to have third world murder rates, and access to guns plays a gigantic role in that. Our homicide rate should not be more than Palestine and double what Iraq has...
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13984 Posts
December 14 2012 18:32 GMT
#76
On December 15 2012 03:24 McBengt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 03:21 WTFZerg wrote:
On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:
On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote:
Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks.


Does Walmart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard?



An automatic weapon fires whatever cartridge it is chambered for. There are handguns that fire 9mm and fully automatic weapons that fire 9mm.

Getting a legal automatic weapon is extremely expensive, but you can order whatever ammo off the internet, which is usually a good idea because bulk pricing is pretty good.

On December 15 2012 03:16 J_Slim wrote:
On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:
On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote:
Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks.


Do Wal-Mart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard?


Probably. I work at a sporting goods store, and we sell any type of ammo you could want. Ironic though that we don't sell hand guns. Just shot guns and rifles, including the fully automatic rifles that should *only* be in the hands of a soldier on a warfield.


Your sporting goods store does not sell automatic rifles.


I see. Not too familiar with firearms I'm afraid. Is it common for people to be armed with heavier weapons in the US, as in weapons typically used by the military?


Quite the opposite. Military firearms are not designed to kill people (designed to wound and maim them instead) while hunters in america prefer high powered rifles and shotguns. Cheap illegal handguns are the things that cause most homicides in inner city gang violence. Shootings like this are only a tiny fraction of gun violence in america. The horrible part out of all of this is that these mass shootings happen in "gun free areas" where once someone comes in with a gun and wants to kill people no one is capable of stopping them.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15712 Posts
December 14 2012 18:33 GMT
#77
On December 15 2012 03:31 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 03:24 farvacola wrote:
On December 15 2012 03:18 heliusx wrote:
On December 15 2012 03:14 McBengt wrote:
On December 15 2012 03:10 farvacola wrote:
Don't worry, I expect the NRA and fellow gun folk will again loudly yell against anyone who even mentions the possibility that gun control laxity played a role in this amongst others acts of fatal violence. I do wonder how mainstay these sorts of shootings will have to become before public opinion starts to change. And before the requisite "You so stupid, how would taking away guns fix this?" pops up, it's not about "taking away guns", it's about making them more difficult to acquire, because the fact of the matter is that getting guns in the states is incredibly simple and far too easy. My thoughts go out to the families, this sucks.


Does Walmart actually sell ammunition for fully automatic machine guns? Or is that just some strange rumour I heard?


Everywhere sells ammunition including country gas stations. As for automatic weapons it's an expensive and lengthy process involving federal bureaus.

In theory, it is. In practice, not so much. If you do not believe me, check out this site. Just check out the "equipment exchange" and revel in all of the automatic and semi-automatic weapons being offered. One can literally buy a machine gun directly from another person and have it sent to a local gun shop for pickup without the involvement of a single federal agency. A friend of mine did just that. And if you happen to live in a state with gun shows, just ask a vendor what he's got behind the display. It really is that easy.


You cannot buy a automatic firearm without going through the legal process for it. It takes time to process the request and investigation on you by the ATF after that you must do paperwork with the local law enforcement. There is NO WAY you can legally purchase an auto weapon without going through the ATF it's simply impossible. If anyone is telling you they got a fully auto without federal involvement they are either lying or purchased illegaly.


Illegal purchases are very common. There is so little regulation that there's essentially no risk in doing so.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
December 14 2012 18:34 GMT
#78
What a heinous crime, simply sickening. Tough road ahead for the families of the victims. I hope they'll be able to live with it in the future.

People should immidiately stop any kind of argument, I hope the mods will crack down hard on this thread.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 14 2012 18:34 GMT
#79
On December 15 2012 03:24 101toss wrote:
Gun control doesn't stop shit like this

Remember the string of kindergarten knife attacks in china?

Some guy in China just knifed 22 school kids yesterday

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

the big difference is that most of them are still alive ;/
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 14 2012 18:34 GMT
#80
On December 15 2012 03:31 Intox wrote:
What kind of sick fucks would do that to innocent children.. how the hell do you convince yourself actions like that are just?!? Thoughts to the victims and their families, rest in peace.


"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
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