|
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. |
On September 25 2017 05:39 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. Don't confuse the reaction of the teams with the reaction of the fans. The big loser here is going to be the NFL, which is unfortunate. The thing is the NFL is in a no win situation. They risk pissing off one of there core audiences one way or the other so if you have no way out you might as well stand for the first amendment I guess. Edit: why does this site think today is my cake day? Its not till tomorrow.
It's your birthday in Korea as Korean time is site time as people watched bw kespa in Korean time.
|
On September 25 2017 05:17 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. Don't confuse the reaction of the teams with the reaction of the fans. The big loser here is going to be the NFL, which is unfortunate. Can you elaborate on what you think is unfortunate for the NFL? To me as a non American this is not immediately obvious so pardon my asking.
I don't like Trump's statement about the NFL for the same reason that I didn't like Google canning the guy who circulated that memo a couple months ago, but the reality is this new faux pas is going to amount to nothing for him. Nothing else he has done has really mattered, and I see no reason why this would be any different.
As for the NFL, they already have had some major PR problems due the Kaepernick-spawned protests. The majority of people who watch football are very patriotic and disapprove of the national anthem protests. Perhaps more than anything else, they want to keep politics out of sports. The NFL already has a ratings problem from a variety of factors, including the national anthem protests, the concussion issues, and cord cutting. The NFL getting tied up in this new political fight is only going make matters worse for them.
|
On September 25 2017 05:32 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. This isn't going to work. now you have the danger that these protests have been hijacked to be "Trump vs. unpatriotic NFL players". It's more about Trump than whatever they are ostensibly protesting. Isn't it interesting how they decided to do this after Trump brought it up? That's what this looks like to people.
'brought it up' = calling them sons of bitches that should be fired by their owners. Is it really that strange that that would evoke a strong response?
|
On September 25 2017 05:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:32 Introvert wrote:On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. This isn't going to work. now you have the danger that these protests have been hijacked to be "Trump vs. unpatriotic NFL players". It's more about Trump than whatever they are ostensibly protesting. Isn't it interesting how they decided to do this after Trump brought it up? That's what this looks like to people. 'brought it up' = calling them sons of bitches that should be fired by their owners. Is it really that strange that that would evoke a strong response?
How long was Trump's rally where he said that? What else did he say? Trump spouts off and says things he shouldn't, but moist of them are ignored. In this case certain reporters went crazy over his comments and here we are.
But you are missing the point. You are right that is IS a strong response. But not to police violence-- but to how much they don't like Trump.
|
On September 25 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. Don't confuse the reaction of the teams with the reaction of the fans. The big loser here is going to be the NFL, which is unfortunate.
The least popular president in modern history is going to put a huge dent the NFL's popularity and bottom line.
|
On September 25 2017 05:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:17 Artisreal wrote:On September 25 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. Don't confuse the reaction of the teams with the reaction of the fans. The big loser here is going to be the NFL, which is unfortunate. Can you elaborate on what you think is unfortunate for the NFL? To me as a non American this is not immediately obvious so pardon my asking. I don't like Trump's statement about the NFL for the same reason that I didn't like Google canning the guy who circulated that memo a couple months ago, but the reality is this new faux pas is going to amount to nothing for him. Nothing else he has done has really mattered, and I see no reason why this would be any different. As for the NFL, they already have had some major PR problems due the Kaepernick-spawned protests. The majority of people who watch football are very patriotic and disapprove of the national anthem protests. Perhaps more than anything else, they want to keep politics out of sports. The NFL already has a ratings problem from a variety of factors, including the national anthem protests, the concussion issues, and cord cutting. The NFL getting tied up in this new political fight is only going make matters worse for them.
It was pointed out that it was usual for players to not even be present during the anthem in years past and nobody gave a shit. Why is that so different now? Because the country needs superficial acts of unity?
Real progress in the direction of equality appears to be a better way of conquering the divide than simply putting on another layer of patriotism.
Seems like a long term win strategy to me.
|
Canada11555 Posts
On September 25 2017 05:39 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. Don't confuse the reaction of the teams with the reaction of the fans. The big loser here is going to be the NFL, which is unfortunate. The thing is the NFL is in a no win situation. They risk pissing off one of there core audiences one way or the other so if you have no way out you might as well stand for the first amendment I guess. Edit: why does this site think today is my cake day? Its not till tomorrow.
Korean time, very likely.
|
I see it this way. I don't like Trump in the slightest and I don't defend any of his decisions or even say he's more right than his opponents. But if you decide to go political as an entertainer and get yourself knee-deep in shit then I'm keeping my distance. Maybe it's necessary in order to show your opponent is neck-deep in shit but you still smell like shit and I want no part in it. Same goes for the so-called "journalism" of our 2016-2017 media.
|
On September 25 2017 05:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:17 Artisreal wrote:On September 25 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. Don't confuse the reaction of the teams with the reaction of the fans. The big loser here is going to be the NFL, which is unfortunate. Can you elaborate on what you think is unfortunate for the NFL? To me as a non American this is not immediately obvious so pardon my asking. I don't like Trump's statement about the NFL for the same reason that I didn't like Google canning the guy who circulated that memo a couple months ago, but the reality is this new faux pas is going to amount to nothing for him. Nothing else he has done has really mattered, and I see no reason why this would be any different. As for the NFL, they already have had some major PR problems due the Kaepernick-spawned protests. The majority of people who watch football are very patriotic and disapprove of the national anthem protests. Perhaps more than anything else, they want to keep politics out of sports. The NFL already has a ratings problem from a variety of factors, including the national anthem protests, the concussion issues, and cord cutting. The NFL getting tied up in this new political fight is only going make matters worse for them.
I don't think the damage will be as bad as expected. Your average football fan, even amongst Trump voters, won't care enough to stop watching. The hardcore Trump fans may skip a few games sure. But the problem is that before, with Kaepernik, the NFL was hated by both sides. The right for the kneeling and the left for him being essentially blacklisted from the league. By Trump getting involved, suddenly the NFL are the good guys/victims in the eyes of left, who id guess were less likely to watch football in general. Now you're already seeing a movement online from the left to support the NFL since now that is the same as saying fuck you to Trump. It's the same reason the NYT is rolling in subscriptions since Trump.
|
On September 25 2017 06:02 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:43 xDaunt wrote:On September 25 2017 05:17 Artisreal wrote:On September 25 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. Don't confuse the reaction of the teams with the reaction of the fans. The big loser here is going to be the NFL, which is unfortunate. Can you elaborate on what you think is unfortunate for the NFL? To me as a non American this is not immediately obvious so pardon my asking. I don't like Trump's statement about the NFL for the same reason that I didn't like Google canning the guy who circulated that memo a couple months ago, but the reality is this new faux pas is going to amount to nothing for him. Nothing else he has done has really mattered, and I see no reason why this would be any different. As for the NFL, they already have had some major PR problems due the Kaepernick-spawned protests. The majority of people who watch football are very patriotic and disapprove of the national anthem protests. Perhaps more than anything else, they want to keep politics out of sports. The NFL already has a ratings problem from a variety of factors, including the national anthem protests, the concussion issues, and cord cutting. The NFL getting tied up in this new political fight is only going make matters worse for them. I don't think the damage will be as bad as expected. Your average football fan, even amongst Trump voters, won't care enough to stop watching. The hardcore Trump fans may skip a few games sure. But the problem is that before, with Kaepernik, the NFL was hated by both sides. The right for the kneeling and the left for him being essentially blacklisted from the league. By Trump getting involved, suddenly the NFL are the good guys/victims in the eyes of left, who id guess were less likely to watch football in general. Now you're already seeing a movement online from the left to support the NFL since now that is the same as saying fuck you to Trump. It's the same reason the NYT is rolling in subscriptions since Trump.
How complex do you think people's loyalties will get before they realize that it doesn't make much difference at all to massive entities?
|
On September 25 2017 05:57 LegalLord wrote:
I see it this way. I don't like Trump in the slightest and I don't defend any of his decisions or even say he's more right than his opponents. But if you decide to go political as an entertainer and get yourself knee-deep in shit then I'm keeping my distance. Maybe it's necessary in order to show your opponent is neck-deep in shit but you still smell like shit and I want no part in it. Same goes for the so-called "journalism" of our 2016-2017 media.
Sometimes prominent figures in the real world get involved in politics. And sometimes they realize their status as a prominent figure helps them make the statement they want to make. It shouldn't be surprising, and you should get used to it. It's going to happen. Learn to separate someone's stance on an issue from the entertainment they produce.
|
You start getting political and congratulations, you are now a political commentator. That's how it works. If I want politics I won't go to one of the entertainment venues that I go to that are generally supposed to be apolitical.
|
On September 25 2017 05:57 LegalLord wrote:
I see it this way. I don't like Trump in the slightest and I don't defend any of his decisions or even say he's more right than his opponents. But if you decide to go political as an entertainer and get yourself knee-deep in shit then I'm keeping my distance. Maybe it's necessary in order to show your opponent is neck-deep in shit but you still smell like shit and I want no part in it. Same goes for the so-called "journalism" of our 2016-2017 media.
Are you saying journalism shouldn't be political lol
|
On September 25 2017 06:13 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:57 LegalLord wrote:
I see it this way. I don't like Trump in the slightest and I don't defend any of his decisions or even say he's more right than his opponents. But if you decide to go political as an entertainer and get yourself knee-deep in shit then I'm keeping my distance. Maybe it's necessary in order to show your opponent is neck-deep in shit but you still smell like shit and I want no part in it. Same goes for the so-called "journalism" of our 2016-2017 media. Are you saying journalism shouldn't be political lol
Well he can always get his news from Handegg players.
Oh hang on.
|
On September 25 2017 06:13 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:57 LegalLord wrote:
I see it this way. I don't like Trump in the slightest and I don't defend any of his decisions or even say he's more right than his opponents. But if you decide to go political as an entertainer and get yourself knee-deep in shit then I'm keeping my distance. Maybe it's necessary in order to show your opponent is neck-deep in shit but you still smell like shit and I want no part in it. Same goes for the so-called "journalism" of our 2016-2017 media. Are you saying journalism shouldn't be political lol
I'm saying they get knee-deep in shit trying to prove that Trump is soooo baddddd! They might be right but they become shit in the process.
|
On September 25 2017 06:18 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 06:13 kollin wrote:On September 25 2017 05:57 LegalLord wrote:
I see it this way. I don't like Trump in the slightest and I don't defend any of his decisions or even say he's more right than his opponents. But if you decide to go political as an entertainer and get yourself knee-deep in shit then I'm keeping my distance. Maybe it's necessary in order to show your opponent is neck-deep in shit but you still smell like shit and I want no part in it. Same goes for the so-called "journalism" of our 2016-2017 media. Are you saying journalism shouldn't be political lol I'm saying they get knee-deep in shit trying to prove that Trump is soooo baddddd! They might be right but they become shit in the process.
So we're all shit, because we bothered to recognize the pile of awful that is our president. I should've known better than to get politically involved.
|
On September 25 2017 05:51 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 25 2017 05:32 Introvert wrote:On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. This isn't going to work. now you have the danger that these protests have been hijacked to be "Trump vs. unpatriotic NFL players". It's more about Trump than whatever they are ostensibly protesting. Isn't it interesting how they decided to do this after Trump brought it up? That's what this looks like to people. 'brought it up' = calling them sons of bitches that should be fired by their owners. Is it really that strange that that would evoke a strong response? How long was Trump's rally where he said that? What else did he say? Trump spouts off and says things he shouldn't, but moist of them are ignored. In this case certain reporters went crazy over his comments and here we are. But you are missing the point. You are right that is IS a strong response. But not to police violence-- but to how much they don't like Trump.
It shouldn't be a normal thing for a country leader to spout off and say things he shouldn't at a public rally. It's not the reporters fault that telling people what their leader says creates an outrage, it's the leader saying those things that is the problem.
And yes they are mostly protesting Trump. Because he is trying to turn their police violence/unfair treatment protest into disrespecting soldiers who lost limbs or died in Afghanistan. They can't protest one thing when he doesn't give them the option to, so they have to protest him first.
On September 25 2017 06:18 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 06:13 kollin wrote:On September 25 2017 05:57 LegalLord wrote:
I see it this way. I don't like Trump in the slightest and I don't defend any of his decisions or even say he's more right than his opponents. But if you decide to go political as an entertainer and get yourself knee-deep in shit then I'm keeping my distance. Maybe it's necessary in order to show your opponent is neck-deep in shit but you still smell like shit and I want no part in it. Same goes for the so-called "journalism" of our 2016-2017 media. Are you saying journalism shouldn't be political lol I'm saying they get knee-deep in shit trying to prove that Trump is soooo baddddd! They might be right but they become shit in the process.
Calling out bad behaviour does not make one bad behaved
|
On September 25 2017 06:02 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 05:43 xDaunt wrote:On September 25 2017 05:17 Artisreal wrote:On September 25 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On September 25 2017 05:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:On September 25 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Trump has picked a fight with the most popular sport in America. Good lord. It's almost poetic how attempting to appeal to his voter base and their second religion on Sundays (football) backfired quite horribly. All he's done is enrage players and the team owners to take a stand against their president, and now everyone is going to get a dose of a middle finger at Trump on their Sunday TV. Don't confuse the reaction of the teams with the reaction of the fans. The big loser here is going to be the NFL, which is unfortunate. Can you elaborate on what you think is unfortunate for the NFL? To me as a non American this is not immediately obvious so pardon my asking. I don't like Trump's statement about the NFL for the same reason that I didn't like Google canning the guy who circulated that memo a couple months ago, but the reality is this new faux pas is going to amount to nothing for him. Nothing else he has done has really mattered, and I see no reason why this would be any different. As for the NFL, they already have had some major PR problems due the Kaepernick-spawned protests. The majority of people who watch football are very patriotic and disapprove of the national anthem protests. Perhaps more than anything else, they want to keep politics out of sports. The NFL already has a ratings problem from a variety of factors, including the national anthem protests, the concussion issues, and cord cutting. The NFL getting tied up in this new political fight is only going make matters worse for them. I don't think the damage will be as bad as expected. Your average football fan, even amongst Trump voters, won't care enough to stop watching. The hardcore Trump fans may skip a few games sure. But the problem is that before, with Kaepernik, the NFL was hated by both sides. The right for the kneeling and the left for him being essentially blacklisted from the league. By Trump getting involved, suddenly the NFL are the good guys/victims in the eyes of left, who id guess were less likely to watch football in general. Now you're already seeing a movement online from the left to support the NFL since now that is the same as saying fuck you to Trump. It's the same reason the NYT is rolling in subscriptions since Trump.
The new York times never had a swath of its audience that didn't support its fight against trump that it did before. The nfl does have a swath of people that support Trump and will continue it. There were audable boos throughout the anthem protests and that will continue to be felt in the ratings as it has so far this year before this weekend.
|
On September 25 2017 06:19 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 06:18 LegalLord wrote:On September 25 2017 06:13 kollin wrote:On September 25 2017 05:57 LegalLord wrote:
I see it this way. I don't like Trump in the slightest and I don't defend any of his decisions or even say he's more right than his opponents. But if you decide to go political as an entertainer and get yourself knee-deep in shit then I'm keeping my distance. Maybe it's necessary in order to show your opponent is neck-deep in shit but you still smell like shit and I want no part in it. Same goes for the so-called "journalism" of our 2016-2017 media. Are you saying journalism shouldn't be political lol I'm saying they get knee-deep in shit trying to prove that Trump is soooo baddddd! They might be right but they become shit in the process. So we're all shit, because we bothered to recognize the pile of awful that is our president. I should've known better than to get politically involved.
Learn moderation perhaps.
|
On September 25 2017 06:24 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 06:19 NewSunshine wrote:On September 25 2017 06:18 LegalLord wrote:On September 25 2017 06:13 kollin wrote:On September 25 2017 05:57 LegalLord wrote:
I see it this way. I don't like Trump in the slightest and I don't defend any of his decisions or even say he's more right than his opponents. But if you decide to go political as an entertainer and get yourself knee-deep in shit then I'm keeping my distance. Maybe it's necessary in order to show your opponent is neck-deep in shit but you still smell like shit and I want no part in it. Same goes for the so-called "journalism" of our 2016-2017 media. Are you saying journalism shouldn't be political lol I'm saying they get knee-deep in shit trying to prove that Trump is soooo baddddd! They might be right but they become shit in the process. So we're all shit, because we bothered to recognize the pile of awful that is our president. I should've known better than to get politically involved. Learn moderation perhaps.
Or learn nuance, as opposed to making ridiculous generalizations.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
