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On August 07 2012 17:55 Antimatterz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 17:46 Boblion wrote:
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Badminton is actually more intense than tennis. Omfg I go so hardcore in badminton, that shit is crazy. Like half an hour of badminton is more exercise for me than a whole hour of tennis.
I love Badminton, it's the sport with like the lowest entry level. Not to say high-level play is easy, but regardless of who you're with you can always get plenty of good volleys. Definitely keeps you moving more than low-level tennis.
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So that South Korea can have a guarenteed gold medal come the olympics? Nice.
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On August 08 2012 05:44 InFdude wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:08 Technique wrote:On August 08 2012 02:53 NTTemplar wrote:
edit: you are being disrespectful to SC2 pros if you call SC2 easy, you are being disrespectful to all other athletes if you say it requires more skill. Why? Sc2 is indeed not that hard and at times luck based. I can take games of pro sc2 players while i play like 5 games a week. You think someone who swims some laps twice a week or so is ever gonna be able to beat an Olympic swimmer? And that example can pretty much be made for any Olympic sport. People take ''esports'' way too serious, enjoy what you got (many regular high prize tournaments and sponsored teams). The ever longing to be ''mainstream'' is tiring. Running isn't that hard either. But running 100m for 9.7s is. If SC2 is so easy for you, how come we haven't seen you winning any event?
You realize you completely missed the point and actually just backed up what i said?
A regular runner is never gonna touch the times of a Olympic runner.
While regular players can take games of pro players in sc2, especially in all the bad matchups like z mirror and p mirror. Hell even in t mirror with some build luck. If the scouting was better the gap would probably widen tho.
You would need a better rts game where a pro player can never be touched by a regular player, good/easy scouting, no build order luck, no silly closed of ramps etc.
But even then it's still not a sport, it's an esport, which is something completely different that has no place at the Olympics.
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I hate fox so much. Goddammit. But still, good news everyone :D
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On August 08 2012 17:30 theslayer922 wrote:
I hate fox so much. Goddammit. But still, good news everyone :D
What good news?
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That poll is hilarious. Asking Teamliquid.net posters if they want sc2, LoL or tetris is like asking a crack addict if he wants crack, alochol or weed.
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On August 08 2012 17:26 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:44 InFdude wrote:On August 08 2012 04:08 Technique wrote:On August 08 2012 02:53 NTTemplar wrote:
edit: you are being disrespectful to SC2 pros if you call SC2 easy, you are being disrespectful to all other athletes if you say it requires more skill. Why? Sc2 is indeed not that hard and at times luck based. I can take games of pro sc2 players while i play like 5 games a week. You think someone who swims some laps twice a week or so is ever gonna be able to beat an Olympic swimmer? And that example can pretty much be made for any Olympic sport. People take ''esports'' way too serious, enjoy what you got (many regular high prize tournaments and sponsored teams). The ever longing to be ''mainstream'' is tiring. Running isn't that hard either. But running 100m for 9.7s is. If SC2 is so easy for you, how come we haven't seen you winning any event? You realize you completely missed the point and actually just backed up what i said? A regular runner is never gonna touch the times of a Olympic runner. While regular players can take games of pro players in sc2, especially in all the bad matchups like z mirror and p mirror. Hell even in t mirror with some build luck. If the scouting was better the gap would probably widen tho. You would need a better rts game where a pro player can never be touched by a regular player, good/easy scouting, no build order luck, no silly closed of ramps etc. But even then it's still not a sport, it's an esport, which is something completely different that has no place at the Olympics.
You completely dodged his question also.
But to put it in perspective, you will NEVER take a game off anyone in code S, just like I won't be able to beat any olympic swimmer.
However like you can beat some of the lower tier pros I can also compete in amataur leagues in swimming despite swimming only twice a week during summer. and mostly just 3 times a week outside summer, with very little strength training outside swimming (30m a day apart from sunday only, not even focus on muscle groups best for swimming).
Lower tier pros don't practice all that much is what you have to realize, so the level they are at is easier to get to than an olympic swimmer, since it is less effort put into it, not because what they do is easier.
However to be stable in code S takes the same dedication as being an olympic athlete is what you need to realize.
The difference is that gaming got a lot smaller pool, so where we have only 50 people maybe with the dedication of many olympic athletes, and non with the top top tier dedication like michael phelps, sports in the olympic have several thousands, which is why there are no lower tier pros not dedicated enough, due to the size of participants in the sports.
And swimming is at times luck based just like SC2, maybe your suit tears (competitive swim suits are super thin), maybe your googles go off or leak, maybe your cap goes off. Pro swimmers face these things all the time and specificly prepare backup plans for how to complete a race if it happens.
So in the end you can play 5 times a week and beat lower tier pros, I can swim two laps a week and compete in amataur leagues, it is the same, one or the other isn't harder or easier. It is as hard to compete in something as the effort whoever you compete against put into it if it hasn't reached a skill ceiling.
If someone with michael phelps dedication decided to play SC2 and had just the slightest of talent, he without doubt would become the best SC2 player, and to beat that player would be as tough as winning a race in swimming against michael phelps.
EDIT: what people that argue against SC2 consistently does wrong in this thread is argue too different tiers of skill, they talk about the top elite in a sport when they talk about the olympics, then they go on to talk about lower tier pros, someone even mentioned diamond and master.
If you want your arguement to be valid, you need to use GSL code S as an example pretty much.
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Is this a joke? Sc2 game results are too much affected by luck. If it's gonna be a game, maybe tetris.
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On August 08 2012 23:39 sharky246 wrote:
Is this a joke? Sc2 game results are too much affected by luck. If it's gonna be a game, maybe tetris.
There's no such thing as luck.
Losing by a build order loss is not bad luck. It's bad decision making.
Barely missing a scout of something is not bad luck. It's good decision making (by the enemy).
Choosing to send your scouting probe in the wrong direction is not bad luck. It's bad decision making.
Missing the wall off isn't bad luck. It's bad decision making.
Matching up against MC isn't bad luck. It's good seeding.
There is no RNG in SC2. Something either is or isn't, there's no in-between, there's no coefficient on its level of 'is'. Everything is calculated and calculable.
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League of Legends........ No DOTA 2? Mega fail.
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On August 08 2012 23:46 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:39 sharky246 wrote:
Is this a joke? Sc2 game results are too much affected by luck. If it's gonna be a game, maybe tetris. There's no such thing as luck.
lol'd
Are we talking about the same game?
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On August 08 2012 23:51 Names wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:46 Chargelot wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 sharky246 wrote:
Is this a joke? Sc2 game results are too much affected by luck. If it's gonna be a game, maybe tetris. There's no such thing as luck. lol'd Are we talking about the same game?
Tetris over SC2 lol
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On August 08 2012 23:51 Names wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:46 Chargelot wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 sharky246 wrote:
Is this a joke? Sc2 game results are too much affected by luck. If it's gonna be a game, maybe tetris. There's no such thing as luck. lol'd Are we talking about the same game?
List everything decided by luck. Go.
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well if sc2 gets into the olympics at least i have a reason to watch the olympics now.
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On August 03 2012 07:33 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 07:30 aeroblaster wrote:
You put LoL up on that list but not Dota 2? mega hard fail dude I agree, but as of now, LoL is vastly more popular. Atleast from my experience.
Do you think Javelin throwing is a popular sport? It's not. But it's an activity that can be appreciated for it's difficulty and physical/mental prowess. LoL is kindergarten of MOBA games, if you're going to go that route, pick a MOBA that has some actual difficulty (denying creeps, not dying, keeping gpm/xppm up, etc.). LoL is popular because it's more accessible to newer players of the genre, which is cool, but that doesn't mean it should be considered before better games suited for competitive gaming.
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On August 09 2012 00:23 Panthae wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 07:33 Rabbitmaster wrote:On August 03 2012 07:30 aeroblaster wrote:
You put LoL up on that list but not Dota 2? mega hard fail dude I agree, but as of now, LoL is vastly more popular. Atleast from my experience. Do you think Javelin throwing is a popular sport? It's not. But it's an activity that can be appreciated for it's difficulty and physical/mental prowess. LoL is kindergarten of MOBA games, if you're going to go that route, pick a MOBA that has some actual difficulty (denying creeps, not dying, keeping gpm/xppm up, etc.). LoL is popular because it's more accessible to newer players of the genre, which is cool, but that doesn't mean it should be considered before better games suited for competitive gaming.
Essentially, you have one chance to fill this niche in the Olympics, you need the most difficult and most appreciable game possible. When referring to the MOBA niche, LoL doesn't really fit that description. I can definitely agree with you.
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any game would have to be some public domain game seeing as blizzard can just trollnerf/sue to IOC whenever they dont slightly get their way
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On August 09 2012 00:31 peidongyang wrote:
any game would have to be some public domain game seeing as blizzard can just trollnerf/sue to IOC whenever they dont slightly get their way
The Olympics would purchase the rights to use the game, as GOMtv, KeSPA, MLG, IPL, and many others have. As for trollnerfing, you don't fuck over the Olympics and expect to have an operational business the next day.
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On August 08 2012 23:46 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:39 sharky246 wrote:
Is this a joke? Sc2 game results are too much affected by luck. If it's gonna be a game, maybe tetris. There's no such thing as luck. Losing by a build order loss is not bad luck. It's bad decision making. Barely missing a scout of something is not bad luck. It's good decision making (by the enemy). Choosing to send your scouting probe in the wrong direction is not bad luck. It's bad decision making. Missing the wall off isn't bad luck. It's bad decision making. Matching up against MC isn't bad luck. It's good seeding. There is no RNG in SC2. Something either is or isn't, there's no in-between, there's no coefficient on its level of 'is'. Everything is calculated and calculable.
There is an RNG in SC2. That doesn't mean the game isn't skill-based, but you can win or lose (very close) games (in very specific circumstances) based on luck.
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On August 09 2012 00:51 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:46 Chargelot wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 sharky246 wrote:
Is this a joke? Sc2 game results are too much affected by luck. If it's gonna be a game, maybe tetris. There's no such thing as luck. Losing by a build order loss is not bad luck. It's bad decision making. Barely missing a scout of something is not bad luck. It's good decision making (by the enemy). Choosing to send your scouting probe in the wrong direction is not bad luck. It's bad decision making. Missing the wall off isn't bad luck. It's bad decision making. Matching up against MC isn't bad luck. It's good seeding. There is no RNG in SC2. Something either is or isn't, there's no in-between, there's no coefficient on its level of 'is'. Everything is calculated and calculable. There is an RNG in SC2. That doesn't mean the game isn't skill-based, but you can win or lose (very close) games (in very specific circumstances) based on luck.
The automaton 2000 that happens to be blocking a hatch counts as RNG?
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