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DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
July 31 2012 16:31 GMT
#901
I was referring to the letters to the editor. And comparative advantage has nothing to do with algebra. That's an argument against all education.
StateofReverie
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States633 Posts
July 31 2012 16:32 GMT
#902
algebra in my opinion is important because you have to take algebra 2/trig but if I would have to pick a math to get rid of it would be geometry
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 16:40:17
July 31 2012 16:36 GMT
#903
On August 01 2012 01:31 DoubleReed wrote:
I was referring to the letters to the editor. And comparative advantage has nothing to do with algebra. That's an argument against all education.

You're right, comparative advantage is more general than just algebra. It's an argument against all education that isn't useful to you. But it doesn't necessarily mean that if you're going to be an actor, that you be prevented from learning algebra or geography if you still want to.

It's an argument based on economic efficiency. The guy in the NYTimes article has the right idea, he sucks at math, so he gets someone who is good at math to do the math work, and as a result the work is done quicker. Since the argument isn't "stop teaching algebra", there's nothing to stop you from being a little less efficient by keeping your options open by taking everything you think might potentially be useful.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
July 31 2012 17:03 GMT
#904
On August 01 2012 01:36 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 01:31 DoubleReed wrote:
I was referring to the letters to the editor. And comparative advantage has nothing to do with algebra. That's an argument against all education.

You're right, comparative advantage is more general than just algebra. It's an argument against all education that isn't useful to you. But it doesn't necessarily mean that if you're going to be an actor, that you be prevented from learning algebra or geography if you still want to.

It's an argument based on economic efficiency. The guy in the NYTimes article has the right idea, he sucks at math, so he gets someone who is good at math to do the math work, and as a result the work is done quicker. Since the argument isn't "stop teaching algebra", there's nothing to stop you from being a little less efficient by keeping your options open by taking everything you think might potentially be useful.


Right, so me the mathematician shouldn't take any english or history when I could focus even more on mathematics. Three major issues.

1. Diploma is worthless. You can't even get a basic grasp of someone's abilities at the basic level by whether they have a diploma or not. There is zero standard.

2. People who could be interested in chemistry and physics would not even be exposed to it because they thought algebra was too hard. We would drastically be reducing scientific exposure to kids, even if they could be quite interested in these fields if they were exposed.

3. People who become interested in fields in college will find themselves woefully unprepared. Colleges waste time and money teaching basic algebra to people who should've learned this in high school. This is already happening to a certain degree.
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
July 31 2012 17:19 GMT
#905
I'm concerned about other things. Struggling in math teaches you humility. For example, there is no grey area in algebra. You can't negotiate the answer. Your teacher won't be biased towards your answer. Math shows people that there are some truths in the world that they just can't deny. I don't like how there are people who go throughout their lives thinking they're right all the time. Math filters out these people who toss out logic in favor of "common sense".
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
July 31 2012 17:28 GMT
#906
I can't believe this hit 46 pages. The original article is bullshit written up for 1 thing and 1 thing only, page hits. And the author has done an awesome job, this article has spread around the internet like the plague.
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 31 2012 17:32 GMT
#907
On August 01 2012 00:43 Tarot wrote:
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On July 31 2012 20:30 Nizaris wrote:
Algebra is the tip of the iceberg. The all education system needs a make-over.

I for one loved math classes and it helped me get my BAC with a 4 in Spanish and like 8 in Philosophy because i had like 17 in math


I find it especially funny how America always worries about unemployment, while at the same time STEM workers are at a shortage, and somehow lowering (the already low) educational standards are a consideration.

There is no STEM shortage. We have more than enough qualified STEM workers, just not enough work for them/
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Nickemwit
Profile Joined December 2007
United States253 Posts
July 31 2012 17:33 GMT
#908
Algebra should be taught in elementary school, and by the time you are going to a University, you can decide to stop learning that shit. The problem is that we teach it too late, and people have already decided they hate it because it's hard. Elementary school math is a joke, you could condense all of it into one year easily.
Fight Fire with ShrieK
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
August 01 2012 18:30 GMT
#909
On July 30 2012 23:53 r.Evo wrote:
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On July 30 2012 20:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
yeah I mean... I can vouch for optional learning in Algebra only if I can attain optional learning of Literature.

Do I quote shake-a-spear?
Do I care if some essay was written cleverly to "prove" a point supposedly another writer wrote?
No.

So... to make it even, make high level literature beyond grammar and 3 paragraph essay optional. Then I can take algebra as optional.

And thus, a new age of knowledge begins. Oh, wait... while we're at it, can we cut art, music, religion, history, physics and chemistry, too please? Most students won't need all that stuff in their real life.

those are already optional to some degree.
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Nymphaceae
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States350 Posts
August 02 2012 08:52 GMT
#910
People say that they'd never ever use math, but you will always use algebra. I remember when I used to work at McDonalds. There were 2 guys who were 26 and 27 years old. They ended up getting fired, because they could never have close to the correct change in there drawer.
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