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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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BillClinton
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On July 09 2012 23:36 FuzzyJAM wrote: decker247777 bases his opinion on what he thinks a supernatural being says. There is literally zero way to argue with someone who does this so I don't know why people would bother. In order to disprove their belief, you have to disprove their god, and good luck with that. As for why unnecessary harm is wrong, it isn't objectively so, but then objective morality doesn't exist (even if there were supernatural beings, for the record). However, I want to live in a society that holds to the harm principle (among more nuanced philosophical beliefs) and that's enough for me to believe in it. That's the point, you can't argue against belief because belief is based on autogenerical self-inducing logic. I tried that once with a friend who is a pastor and it seemed to me that we speak different languages (I still respect him). | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
On July 10 2012 05:35 BillClinton wrote: That's the point, you can't argue against belief because belief is based on autogenerical self-inducing logic. All forms of belief are not created equal. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2574 Posts
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BillClinton
232 Posts
I mean belief is a logical coherence contruct of mutually validating hypotheses. Whenever there is any "untruth" arising you can expand the system to restore its logical integrity. | ||
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
On July 10 2012 05:49 BillClinton wrote: I mean belief is a logical coherence contruct of mutually validating hypotheses. Whenever there is any "untruth" arising you can expand the system to restore its logical integrity. Or one can forego the rules of logic altogether when working with the irrational or absurd, and instead opt for different sorts of understanding altogether. | ||
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BillClinton
232 Posts
On July 10 2012 05:55 farvacola wrote: Or one can forego the rules of logic altogether when working with the irrational or absurd, and instead opt for different sorts of understanding altogether. I like your signature but the "vanity of vanities" is not absurd, its more or less the evidence that we all have the possibilty to be independent of heteronomy. | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
On July 10 2012 06:22 BillClinton wrote: I like your signature but the "vanity of vanities" is not absurd, its more or less the evidence that we all have the possibilty to be independent of heteronomy. Well you certainly are right in that the quote is decidedly non-absurd, as it is one of my favorites of Wittgenstein and he was very much concerned with reason. That being said, one of my current research focuses is an attempt at linking some of Wittgenstein's thoughts to those of existentialists/absurdists, like Soren Kierkegaard. Cheers  | ||
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CarniX
Sweden83 Posts
Giving equal rights to someone else doesn't remove them from you. | ||
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terranu1
Romania53 Posts
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Sepheren
United States66 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:36 TirramirooO wrote: Sick of talking about gay people.. Im not Christian, i dont believe in religion but that is totally the ANTICHRIST... With the same sex you cant make children soo is against nature but make people understant that is becoming hard. Keep going, in the future you all gonna open your EYES. I'm sure if we are ever in trouble for lack of offspring and the only viable males are gay, they'll donate sperm or close their eyes and imagine Ryan Goslin or something. Short of that... you can sit in your crazy corner alone. Also, same sex orientation IS a natural phenomenon. Nearly all species have gay individuals at near the same rate of incidence. And as far as i know, nature can't "go against" nature. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
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Lumi
United States1616 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On July 10 2012 07:00 Sepheren wrote: I'm sure if we are ever in trouble for lack of offspring and the only viable males are gay, they'll donate sperm or close their eyes and imagine Ryan Goslin or something. Short of that... you can sit in your crazy corner alone. Also, same sex orientation IS a natural phenomenon. Nearly all species have gay individuals at near the same rate of incidence. And as far as i know, nature can't "go against" nature. Not really. Nearly all species have animals that tend towards homosexual tendencies, including intercourse. However, the vast majority of those that display homosexual tendencies also display heterosexual tendencies. In short, it's quite rare to find exclusively homosexual animals/organisms in nature, at least at any comparable rate to those of humans. An exception is the ram I believe, where it's estimated up to 10% of them will only mate with others rams and absolutely refuse to mate with any females. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
But if they want to get "Married" in a church or a religious place, there is nothing the government can do about that | ||
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-_-Quails
Australia796 Posts
On July 10 2012 10:45 PiPoGevy wrote: I agree with the part of having a legal civil union for financial purposes to be equal But if they want to get "Married" in a church or a religious place, there is nothing the government can do about that What the government can do is allow for civil marriage (the option currently available to people who wish to be married but cannot or do not wish to marry in a religious ceremony) and allow religions to decide whether or not they wish to permit gay couples to marry in their religious services. Currently, churches which wish to treat gay and straight couples equally are not permitted to do so in most states in the US. | ||
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Santa Cruz
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Panasony
Switzerland11 Posts
Gay marriage is just a political football they use to keep the circus of American politics going | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 10 2012 11:44 Panasony wrote: It is absolutely sickening to me that much more important issues in the world are completely overshadowed by gay marriage and other self-interests when there are very simple solutions and the whole issue could have been put to rest with civil unions decades ago. Gay marriage is just a political football they use to keep the circus of American politics going I would have thought equality before the law is important. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive. You can feed Africa/ Cure Cancer / Whatever cause you want, and allow gay marriage. I the government was not involved in marriage at all (ie everyone had civil unions) and marriage was a religious institution, then your argument makes sense. The fact is the government has sanctioned heterosexual marriages as superior to homosexual unions and that is unfair. | ||
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