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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-18 05:38:47
December 18 2005 05:36 GMT
#41
I try not to care :O
Btw, that boxer comment was very cute !
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
December 18 2005 05:36 GMT
#42
I can't vote until a definition of god is given
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
OhNoKickedAgain
Profile Joined April 2005
Czech Republic232 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-18 05:50:42
December 18 2005 05:49 GMT
#43
On December 18 2005 14:20 User11 wrote:
darwin > bible ?
lol darwin < death
are bodies are way to complexed for darwins theory



indeed in my humble opinion darwin > bible. For europeans it is very interesting that more than 50% of americans don't believe in darwins theory because they are strongly religious.

Darwin : It is natural that we have developed from apes, apes from lesser animals..... this continues up to cells. This is so incontrovertible fact that people, who critize darwin theory in try to detroy this presumption, points on this very incontrovertiblity. They are saying that incontrovertiblity of darwin's theory is just the point why it isn't correct.

Bible : Bible consist of many parts, some of them very mistical, some of them less. First part (old testament) is in my opinion only contraption of people who wrote bible, the people who couldn't understand things like rain, thunder, storms , flow of seasons. Second part(new testament) was (again imo) made upon matters that happened in this world, only these matters were made bigger

Darwin vs Bible (God): How can Bible interpret creation of men ? Adam and Eve? Come on.... that's ridiculous....just say that Adam and Eve are only people on earth. and then their two sons, where they made other childrens and even if there would be some way how they made another children, you know how MUCH must be adam and eve inteligent. You know that when brother and sister sleep together(incest)and they have a baby, there is very large probability of deformation (physical, psychical)of baby
Darwin's theory (explained above) is clear way how we come to this world.
#1 bio.dante fan [bio.dante was kicked without any purpose so WTF?]
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
December 18 2005 05:52 GMT
#44
Negative.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-18 05:53:00
December 18 2005 05:52 GMT
#45
On December 18 2005 14:20 User11 wrote:

are bodies are way to complexed for darwins theory


You are an ignorant motherfucker. ^^
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Kashezsi
Profile Joined November 2005
6 Posts
December 18 2005 06:02 GMT
#46
the only god i believe in is my own freedom
R_I
Profile Joined February 2005
New Zealand42 Posts
December 18 2005 06:03 GMT
#47
I think it should be made clear that evolution does not deal with how life came about. It only describes how life developed over time and continues to do so, with changes in the gene pool of populations over time.

Even the Vatican has said that Catholicism and Evolution are not exclusive if you follow that the Christian god created life and then evolution took over.

Source: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17162341-13762,00.html

Rather, the term of how life first came about is called Abiogenesis, and this is where the dispute should be aimed at.

Evolution itself is observable and makes predictions. It is a strong theory, like say, gravity, with mountains of observations behind each of them.
mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
December 18 2005 06:07 GMT
#48
On December 18 2005 14:36 EAGER-beaver wrote:
I can't vote until a definition of god is given


this is so true. when people get specific about God and specific about how they know something is true or false u usually see that their beliefs point to their God being false. people who are more honest with themselves may actually end up with wishy washy enough things to settle these things, but then you have to ask, by their definition of truth and God, #1 is that what they work with on an everday basis really and truly, and #2 what's the point of such a being that the definition points to?

i have no doubt there's god or gods in any reasonable way we could mean. but tha'ts because i think that there basically is everything possible, it's just a matter of place. so when i talk about there being no god it's more about there being no god in the places that people think would mean a god to them. i exclude most of those. god didn't write the bible, for instance, and god didn't make life for whatever moment is going to happen on earth, or the universe in order to create intellient beings, or anyt of that. in fact, whether there is ultimate creator from our perspective or purely theoretically and ultimately has to ignore the question "why would that matter to us?" blah blah blah
express yourself--madonna
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28689 Posts
December 18 2005 06:07 GMT
#49
yes most sensible christians believe that god and science are not mutually exclusive and they do not have to be. if god is almighty he'd easily be able to create evolution and the big bang as well.

(I do not believe this )
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mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
December 18 2005 06:10 GMT
#50
science education really needs some fucking reform apparently, as SO many ppl's opinions about evolution and science are 100% ignorant. science is ultimately a method and the fruit it bears--it's up to you to give its "truth" a real truth value, a priority in ur life, and for u to stack other methods up with it. in science, there is geological fact that evolution happens, and there are theories on how it could happen/is happening, for instance. so many ppl dont seem to get this. it's worthy of a seperate topic but really it's such such basic knowledge of science ppl should just open up a 4th grader textbook instead of trying to learn it from a tlnet discussion, and it really is moot. u can think the whole method of science is crap quite honestly and consistently. the problem is that people don't. when u tell them that something is not scientific, they take it as "that can't be true"--therefore they try to say evolution is not science and that religion is. what a crock of shit. hate science if u want but dont be ignorant of what it is, what it does, and what ISN't it.
express yourself--madonna
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
December 18 2005 06:49 GMT
#51
On December 18 2005 14:49 OhNoKickedAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2005 14:20 User11 wrote:
darwin > bible ?
lol darwin < death
are bodies are way to complexed for darwins theory



indeed in my humble opinion darwin > bible. For europeans it is very interesting that more than 50% of americans don't believe in darwins theory because they are strongly religious.

Darwin : It is natural that we have developed from apes, apes from lesser animals..... this continues up to cells. This is so incontrovertible fact that people, who critize darwin theory in try to detroy this presumption, points on this very incontrovertiblity. They are saying that incontrovertiblity of darwin's theory is just the point why it isn't correct.


Evolution is pretty much a fact. But guys like you (who talk as experts) still do not fail to annoy. Now what I'm about to say isn't going to defend the bible at all, but is it (hopefully) going to show you that you know shit and shouldn't try to sound like an expert:

If humans developed from apes where is the missing link. "Well it's natural we havn't found everything, right?" Sure, but evolution is a lengthy process, there should be tons of these links. And links between the link and another link, and so on and so forth. Explain that Mr. Scientist.

Bible : Bible consist of many parts, some of them very mistical, some of them less. First part (old testament) is in my opinion only contraption of people who wrote bible, the people who couldn't understand things like rain, thunder, storms , flow of seasons. Second part(new testament) was (again imo) made upon matters that happened in this world, only these matters were made bigger


Well thanks for that interpretation. Looking past the fact that you don't support anything you say with quotes from the bible, or other authorities, and the fact that there is no semblence of an argument of any kind (you're just saying shit), it's world class!!!

Darwin vs Bible (God): How can Bible interpret creation of men ? Adam and Eve? Come on.... that's ridiculous....just say that Adam and Eve are only people on earth. and then their two sons, where they made other childrens and even if there would be some way how they made another children, you know how MUCH must be adam and eve inteligent. You know that when brother and sister sleep together(incest)and they have a baby, there is very large probability of deformation (physical, psychical)of baby
Darwin's theory (explained above) is clear way how we come to this world.


This last paragraph (why did you write it last, if you had started out with this I could've ignored your whole post!) shows what a spectacular idiot you are. You're as a dumb as rock (I SUGGEST YOU REBUT MY POST BY PROVING THAT YOU AREN'T A ROCK USE PICS AND REMIND ME THAT ROCKS CAN'T TYPE)
didierdrogba
Profile Joined October 2005
182 Posts
December 18 2005 06:54 GMT
#52
evolution is far from fact

yes i believe in god
Redstorm[MFx]
Profile Joined September 2005
Norway258 Posts
December 18 2005 06:58 GMT
#53
i belive in god. that crap about the great "big bang" just dosnt apply to me^^
+_+
OhNoKickedAgain
Profile Joined April 2005
Czech Republic232 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-18 07:06:29
December 18 2005 07:05 GMT
#54
On December 18 2005 15:49 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2005 14:49 OhNoKickedAgain wrote:
On December 18 2005 14:20 User11 wrote:
darwin > bible ?
lol darwin < death
are bodies are way to complexed for darwins theory



indeed in my humble opinion darwin > bible. For europeans it is very interesting that more than 50% of americans don't believe in darwins theory because they are strongly religious.

Darwin : It is natural that we have developed from apes, apes from lesser animals..... this continues up to cells. This is so incontrovertible fact that people, who critize darwin theory in try to detroy this presumption, points on this very incontrovertiblity. They are saying that incontrovertiblity of darwin's theory is just the point why it isn't correct.


Evolution is pretty much a fact. But guys like you (who talk as experts) still do not fail to annoy. Now what I'm about to say isn't going to defend the bible at all, but is it (hopefully) going to show you that you know shit and shouldn't try to sound like an expert:

If humans developed from apes where is the missing link. "Well it's natural we havn't found everything, right?" Sure, but evolution is a lengthy process, there should be tons of these links. And links between the link and another link, and so on and so forth. Explain that Mr. Scientist.

Show nested quote +
Bible : Bible consist of many parts, some of them very mistical, some of them less. First part (old testament) is in my opinion only contraption of people who wrote bible, the people who couldn't understand things like rain, thunder, storms , flow of seasons. Second part(new testament) was (again imo) made upon matters that happened in this world, only these matters were made bigger


Well thanks for that interpretation. Looking past the fact that you don't support anything you say with quotes from the bible, or other authorities, and the fact that there is no semblence of an argument of any kind (you're just saying shit), it's world class!!!

Show nested quote +
Darwin vs Bible (God): How can Bible interpret creation of men ? Adam and Eve? Come on.... that's ridiculous....just say that Adam and Eve are only people on earth. and then their two sons, where they made other childrens and even if there would be some way how they made another children, you know how MUCH must be adam and eve inteligent. You know that when brother and sister sleep together(incest)and they have a baby, there is very large probability of deformation (physical, psychical)of baby
Darwin's theory (explained above) is clear way how we come to this world.


This last paragraph (why did you write it last, if you had started out with this I could've ignored your whole post!) shows what a spectacular idiot you are. You're as a dumb as rock (I SUGGEST YOU REBUT MY POST BY PROVING THAT YOU AREN'T A ROCK USE PICS AND REMIND ME THAT ROCKS CAN'T TYPE)


United States huh?...anyway
I dont talk like expert, u see everywhere "IMO" ?
what missing link are u thinking about?

about bible part: you surely know basics about that ...or you want me to retype text about adam and eve? are you that dumbass not to know that story or what? i dont get your point

and tell me about that last paragraph why it sounds crazy


-_- you only swear on me and critize my opinions without giving ANY reason or fact behind it
pls think twice before posting. ur reply wasnt with any opinion from your side...just swearing...

edit: id be glad to talk with you but its 1am in morning and i need to sleep, we can talk in pm or you have to wait about 16 hours for my reply here
#1 bio.dante fan [bio.dante was kicked without any purpose so WTF?]
didierdrogba
Profile Joined October 2005
182 Posts
December 18 2005 07:11 GMT
#55
maybe genesis is a parable, used to explain life on earth...Have you ever read any books with hidden truths and meanings? Like that animal farm book?
whatever
Profile Joined July 2005
Mexico693 Posts
December 18 2005 07:20 GMT
#56
omg 35 believe in god, never thought it would be that high, I guess they just need something to believe and give meaning to ther lives etc
Time is always on my side
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32275 Posts
December 18 2005 07:22 GMT
#57
On December 18 2005 16:20 ChOsU wrote:
omg 35 believe in god, never thought it would be that high, I guess they just need something to believe and give meaning to ther lives etc


Dont insult other people opinions and beliefs.
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DarkGhost]Coon[
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-18 07:28:19
December 18 2005 07:27 GMT
#58
On December 18 2005 16:22 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2005 16:20 ChOsU wrote:
omg 35 believe in god, never thought it would be that high, I guess they just need something to believe and give meaning to ther lives etc


Dont insult other people opinions and beliefs.

It's not necessarily an insult. While I don't really believe in God or a religion as a whole, I do think is a very good social tool and can give hope to troubled people or people who can't/don't want to open their minds to other possibilities.. But just the opposite, I think it's very stupid for athiests to bash on the religious people. If it works for them, let them do it as long as they don't drag you into it.
Common sense is not so common.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
December 18 2005 07:31 GMT
#59
they'll always try to drag you into it. that's their schtick
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
R_I
Profile Joined February 2005
New Zealand42 Posts
December 18 2005 07:45 GMT
#60
On December 18 2005 16:11 didierdrogba wrote:
maybe genesis is a parable, used to explain life on earth...Have you ever read any books with hidden truths and meanings? Like that animal farm book?


Fair enough. Although to make your explanation a bit more reasonable, have you got any ideas about what the actual meaning is? I ask this because the creation story already seems a lot like a story about creation. And I'd say that creation by the god of genesis is the main point of the story, so anything that is not significantly different is probably irrelevant, for example saying that perhaps it wasn't actually 7 days, but 7 billion years or something.

There being two conflicting creation stories in the first two chapters of genesis is probably a hint that there is something deeper (because you can't take both stories literally to be true at the same time), although at this point I have no idea what that could be. Perhaps you have some idea.
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